<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Was there a Communist Party in Singapore in which your 'Granduncle' could have been a member ? If he is a Communist and is residing in Thailand, then he is membero of the MCP - which does not have any insurgency activities in Singapore. If he is a Communist and is merely residing in Singapore, and returning from the Malayan jungle for his R+R period. Obviously he will have to keep a low profile while in Singapore, so as to ensure his own safety from being detected by the British ISD. Those who were arrested under Operation Cold Store were earlier cleared to be non-Communist by the British, and their arrest was after some days of political bargaining between Tunku, LKY and the British Colonial government.     </div> </blockquote> R and R in Singapore? The Thai MCP? With a strong ISD force around when there are many more fun joints around Asia in '63? Cleared as non-commie bastards by the Brits? Your source from wiki, where anyone can alter the facts as you are attempting now? LOL! Black becomes white and white becomes black in your self admitted piece of turd's offal credibilities and sensibilities ( feces have no mind, so cant use that ) What next? The Japs were a liberating force? Our forefathers had their heads chopped off because they were rebels against foreign liberation? Planet earth is flat? LOLOLOL!!!! You must be derogatively presuming the readers here must be 5 years old kids, if not wisefool83 !!!! <img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt="biggrin.png" /><img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt="biggrin.png" /><img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt="biggrin.png" /> PS: Your outlaw leader first try to make alliance with President Obama, That failed. Now are you and him attempting to make alliance with the commie bastards? How much are they paying you to whitewash their shit, of which you are no stranger to, being a self admitted piece of shit yourself? I am sure IRAS or your aussie tax dept would certainly like to look thru your accounts.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Was there a Communist Party in Singapore in which your 'Granduncle' could have been a member ? If he is a Communist and is residing in Thailand, then he is membero of the MCP - which does not have any insurgency activities in Singapore. If he is a Communist and is merely residing in Singapore, and returning from the Malayan jungle for his R+R period. Obviously he will have to keep a low profile while in Singapore, so as to ensure his own safety from being detected by the British ISD. Those who were arrested under Operation Cold Store were earlier cleared to be non-Communist by the British, and their arrest was after some days of political bargaining between Tunku, LKY and the British Colonial government.     </div> </blockquote> R and R in Singapore? The Thai MCP? With a strong ISD force around when there are many more fun joints around Asia in '63? Cleared as non-commie bastards by the Brits? Your source from wiki, where anyone can alter the facts as you are attempting now? LOL! Black becomes white and white becomes black in your self admitted piece of turd's offal credibilities and sensibilities ( feces have no mind, so cant use that ) What next? The Japs were a liberating force? Our forefathers had their heads chopped off because they were rebels against foreign liberation? Planet earth is flat? LOLOLOL!!!! You must be derogatively presuming the readers here must be 5 years old kids, if not wisefool83 !!!! <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /> PS: Your outlaw leader first try to make alliance with President Obama, That failed. Now are you and him attempting to make alliance with the commie bastards? How much are they paying you to whitewash their shit, of which you are no stranger to, being a self admitted piece of shit yourself? I am sure IRAS or your aussie tax dept would certainly like to look thru your accounts.

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4 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by wisefool83:</div> <div class="quote_body"> There were definitely communists in Singapore then. My Granduncle was one. He is currently residing in Thailand. How big a role the communists played however, is not a matter that I possess the knowledge to comment. </div> </blockquote> Was there a Communist Party in Singapore in which your 'Granduncle' could have been a member ? If he is a Communist and is residing in Thailand, then he is membero of the MCP - which does not have any insurgency activities in Singapore. If he is a Communist and is merely residing in Singapore, and returning from the Malayan jungle for his R+R period. Obviously he will have to keep a low profile while in Singapore, so as to ensure his own safety from being detected by the British ISD. Those who were arrested under Operation Cold Store were earlier cleared to be non-Communist by the British, and their arrest was after some days of political bargaining between Tunku, LKY and the British Colonial government.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by wisefool83:</div> <div class="quote_body"> There were definitely communists in Singapore then. My Granduncle was one. He is currently residing in Thailand. How big a role the communists played however, is not a matter that I possess the knowledge to comment. </div> </blockquote> Was there a Communist Party in Singapore in which your 'Granduncle' could have been a member ? If he is a Communist and is residing in Thailand, then he is membero of the MCP - which does not have any insurgency activities in Singapore. If he is a Communist and is merely residing in Singapore, and returning from the Malayan jungle for his R+R period. Obviously he will have to keep a low profile while in Singapore, so as to ensure his own safety from being detected by the British ISD. Those who were arrested under Operation Cold Store were earlier cleared to be non-Communist by the British, and their arrest was after some days of political bargaining between Tunku, LKY and the British Colonial government.

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sbst275:</div> <div class="quote_body"> wat abt MCP? </div> </blockquote> MCP is the Malayan Communist Party that has its roots in Malaya and was founded as early as in 1930, and had then sought to have independence from British rule. Its members were mostly Chinese and was supported by the British Government in the fight against the Japanese Occupation Force in Malaya during WW-2. After the War, it was the remaining disciplines force to ensure law and order, and the distribution of limited food rations. The MCP organised civilian self-help organisation before the return of the British Colonial Government, administrators and the defeated British Military Immediately after WW-2, the MCP continued in its fight towards  the independence of Malaya from British Rule. The MCP never was interested to fight for the independence of Singapore - even as during that period, the people in Malaya and Singapore had always seen themselves as one entity, and that Singapore was part of Malaya. Despite the accepted reality amongst the people in Malaya and Singapore, the British Colonial Government had insisted on treating these two territories as separate entities.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sbst275:</div> <div class="quote_body"> wat abt MCP? </div> </blockquote> MCP is the Malayan Communist Party that has its roots in Malaya and was founded as early as in 1930, and had then sought to have independence from British rule. Its members were mostly Chinese and was supported by the British Government in the fight against the Japanese Occupation Force in Malaya during WW-2. After the War, it was the remaining disciplines force to ensure law and order, and the distribution of limited food rations. The MCP organised civilian self-help organisation before the return of the British Colonial Government, administrators and the defeated British Military Immediately after WW-2, the MCP continued in its fight towards  the independence of Malaya from British Rule. The MCP never was interested to fight for the independence of Singapore - even as during that period, the people in Malaya and Singapore had always seen themselves as one entity, and that Singapore was part of Malaya. Despite the accepted reality amongst the people in Malaya and Singapore, the British Colonial Government had insisted on treating these two territories as separate entities.

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1 wat abt MCP?

wat abt MCP?

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1 i have yet to see someone put up a picture of their dream home in spore after thousands of posts n viewers!its like whether u want tro stay under a bridge or on a bridge kinda choice.

i have yet to see someone put up a picture of their dream home in spore after thousands of posts n viewers!its like whether u want tro stay under a bridge or on a bridge kinda choice.

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1 i dont dare conclude bout spore....my neighbour upstairs in spore turn his place into a metal working workshop every day. neighnour next door everytime fight n want to beat up his entire family at night......so i think either north pole or south pole is better option.only faxctory i setup tere is smaller

i dont dare conclude bout spore....my neighbour upstairs in spore turn his place into a metal working workshop every day. neighnour next door everytime fight n want to beat up his entire family at night......so i think either north pole or south pole is better option.only faxctory i setup tere is smaller

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1 sex slaves???

sex slaves???

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1 敢与贫穷命运抗争的20岁女孩留学生【转】 <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; word-break: break-all;"> <hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /> </div> 这几天，圆圆的心情像花儿一样灿烂。再过几天就要回中国家乡了。 来新加坡留学已有三年，这还是第一次回家。每当和妈妈说起回家，妈妈就会说：钱多烧的，那飞机得需要多少钱。 圆圆是想念妈妈爸爸和小弟弟的。特别是想起中学假期的时候，在冬日里，枕在妈妈的大腿上，暖暖的阳光透过窄小的窗子照射到炕上，然后又慢慢移到脸上，妈妈就用手遮住撒在眼睛上的阳光，娘俩唠着贴心话，心里就涌现出甜滋滋的笑。 三年前，圆圆以优异的成绩考上了重点大学。入学不久就被新加坡国立大学选拔为全额奖学金得主，直接来新加坡读大学。 因此这样温馨的回忆，也足足重复整整三年多了。 今年一定要回去，这是一定的。于是反反复复做妈妈的工作，还撒了一些小慌。 其实，这次回家，不告诉妈妈也行，因为圆圆的主要目的并不是看妈妈，但如果不看看爸爸妈妈和弟弟，总觉得心里会流泪，虽然可能因为花钱会让妈妈生气。这次回去也就两周，花在国内路途的时间就得四天，也挺折腾人的。 下这么大决心要回去，不是一天两天的决定，这个决心已经下了有半年多了。在这一年多时间里，如果没有这个远方声音，圆圆真不知道自己怎么能挺过来。 一个22岁的纯情少女，这是第一次带着一种忐忑与激动的心情要与一位千里之外的陌生男生见面。为了这样的忐忑与激动，圆圆在假期里拼命打工，每天打两份工，只留下两周回国。其实飞机票用不了这么多，但要给妈妈双倍飞机票的钱，妈妈才会觉得回来一次合算。 一个22岁的多情少女，这是第一次得到男生的关心，虽然仅仅是电子邮件、声音和网络视频，但对于圆圆来说这已经足够了。圆圆也期盼着和这里身边的男生谈谈情，说说心里话，哪怕是普通朋友一样的接触也行。但感觉这里的男生都当她是通明的。圆圆心里也明白，自己没有一件超过十元钱的衣服；自己的头发也没拉直；自己身上那个“山”呼呼的感觉还没挥去；更有，这两年早出晚归地打工，闷头去学习，也不能怪男生注意不到自己。 但圆圆心里还是在划弧，中国的同学有的还不如自己也能找到男朋友，怎样都是一个罗卜一个坑的。特别是国内女同学发来与男友亲密快乐的照片，圆圆就倍感孤独了。是啊，对于多情的少女，有什么比谈谈情说说爱，更让人激动与向往的呢，有了爱，贫穷根本不算什么。 圆圆试着和国内大学网站的大学生聊天，就认识了一位家乡省城大学男生，正在读大四。男孩是学文科的，但和圆圆极其谈得来。圆圆虽是学理工科的，但读书很多，看问题不但敏锐也有自己的见地。特别是圆圆的声音很美，如果你不在她眼前，你甚至怀疑这个好听的声音是从收音机里传来的。 为了这个男生，圆圆甚至给自己的前途都规划好了。因为拿奖学金要绑定三年在新加坡工作，于是圆圆就设想：第一年给弟弟挣足学费；第二年给爸妈挣点养老费；第三年给自己攒嫁妆。 圆圆是想回国生活的。因为她不知，在这里，自己的感情的着陆点在哪儿，看到想到的都是不可及的渺茫。圆圆的情感是丰富细腻的，她的心态是青春健康的。她娓娓道来的柔声，说到高兴时眼睛里泛起的柔光，你会觉得很亲切，善良而高尚。但圆圆的身体好像不甚健康，看似微胖有点浮肿，脸色也是暗淡的，站久了会头昏，更不敢蹲下，否则，站起来会昏得要扶桌子。 圆圆每月有500新币的奖学金，来新加坡的第一年着实过得很滋润，虽然第一年她就从奖学金里给在家乡县城重点中学住校读中学的弟弟寄回了5000人民币。但她还是有足够的钱生活，逛逛乌节路，到处走走逛逛。也有心思品视一下其她时髦靓丽的女孩。 家里的突然变故，让这个那时刚刚20岁的青春女孩承担了一切。家里在偏僻的中国农村，好的年景家里收入也就 4 5千元人民币。因此村里人都说她家祖坟冒青气了，养了个这么争气的姑娘，上大学不花钱还给钱，并且每年还能供弟弟5000人民币，看样子养姑娘不是赔钱的货，她家农村那里重男轻女极其严重。 好景不长，就在两年前，父亲借别人家的小四轮子（一种农村用的机动车）去乡里集市卖东西的路上，把别人撞伤，车也撞到大树上。几千块的修车费是小钱，这被撞伤的人躺在医院里可是个无底洞。圆圆的爸爸妈妈都是老实巴交的庄稼人，这一辈子也没遇见过事儿，这次可被撞蒙了，要卖房子要让地。房子都不值一万人民币，这地让出去吃啥呀？看样子只能让弟弟退学了，每年可省下八千，一万的。想到弟弟那聪明伶俐的样子，圆圆哭着请妈妈不要让弟弟退学。其实，圆圆的爸妈何尝愿意弟弟退学，那也是老两口养老的依靠啊！ 但此时，圆圆的爸妈真的没招了，该借的都借到了，满算着也就借到一万多块，先给伤人的家属拿去。这以后可怎么办呀？ 圆圆用自己那纤细的肩膀把家里所有的担子都扛了过来，她开导妈妈：我已上大二了，现在英文也过关了，我可以出去打工，这里打工很好赚的。晚上，圆圆哭了半宿，她很茫然很无助，她不知道怎样打工，到哪里去打工。 圆圆开始到处找临时工作，无论有没有工作，她每月最低都往家汇款2000多人民币。找不到工作的时节，每月的生活费只留下100新币。她甚至可以一周只吃面包沾白糖，一天吃两个大枕头面包。后来圆圆找到一个卖甜甜圈面包的工作，离学校不远。晚上下班后，老板还会把剩余没卖出去的甜甜圈送给圆圆，为此她常常不吃晚饭，下班后一次可以吃十多个甜甜圈，剩下的可以做早餐。这样圆圆中午可以吃两元钱的饭菜了。 两年时间里，圆圆总共给家里汇了五万多人民币。 圆圆性格是开朗的，乐观的，从不隐藏自己的观点，也愿意谈话。你要是请她去家里吃饭，她会说：不行呀，来回车费四新币，我能吃两顿饭。这是事实，饭菜的质量和营养并不重要，重要的是节约每一个“铜板”和时间。她的学业一直很优秀，否则奖学金被取消了，更得不偿失了。 圆圆打工越来越熟练了。这不，这个假期白天在一个公司做文员，晚上继续卖她的甜甜圈。 据说大四做毕业论文可能忙些，还要找工作什么的，圆圆的压力是否会很大？也许被撞伤的人也康复许多吧！ 让我们衷心祝愿圆圆健康，快乐，爱情美满！   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92540

敢与贫穷命运抗争的20岁女孩留学生【转】 <div class="" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> <hr /></div> 这几天，圆圆的心情像花儿一样灿烂。再过几天就要回中国家乡了。 来新加坡留学已有三年，这还是第一次回家。每当和妈妈说起回家，妈妈就会说：钱多烧的，那飞机得需要多少钱。 圆圆是想念妈妈爸爸和小弟弟的。特别是想起中学假期的时候，在冬日里，枕在妈妈的大腿上，暖暖的阳光透过窄小的窗子照射到炕上，然后又慢慢移到脸上，妈妈就用手遮住撒在眼睛上的阳光，娘俩唠着贴心话，心里就涌现出甜滋滋的笑。 三年前，圆圆以优异的成绩考上了重点大学。入学不久就被新加坡国立大学选拔为全额奖学金得主，直接来新加坡读大学。 因此这样温馨的回忆，也足足重复整整三年多了。 今年一定要回去，这是一定的。于是反反复复做妈妈的工作，还撒了一些小慌。 其实，这次回家，不告诉妈妈也行，因为圆圆的主要目的并不是看妈妈，但如果不看看爸爸妈妈和弟弟，总觉得心里会流泪，虽然可能因为花钱会让妈妈生气。这次回去也就两周，花在国内路途的时间就得四天，也挺折腾人的。 下这么大决心要回去，不是一天两天的决定，这个决心已经下了有半年多了。在这一年多时间里，如果没有这个远方声音，圆圆真不知道自己怎么能挺过来。 一个22岁的纯情少女，这是第一次带着一种忐忑与激动的心情要与一位千里之外的陌生男生见面。为了这样的忐忑与激动，圆圆在假期里拼命打工，每天打两份工，只留下两周回国。其实飞机票用不了这么多，但要给妈妈双倍飞机票的钱，妈妈才会觉得回来一次合算。 一个22岁的多情少女，这是第一次得到男生的关心，虽然仅仅是电子邮件、声音和网络视频，但对于圆圆来说这已经足够了。圆圆也期盼着和这里身边的男生谈谈情，说说心里话，哪怕是普通朋友一样的接触也行。但感觉这里的男生都当她是通明的。圆圆心里也明白，自己没有一件超过十元钱的衣服；自己的头发也没拉直；自己身上那个“山”呼呼的感觉还没挥去；更有，这两年早出晚归地打工，闷头去学习，也不能怪男生注意不到自己。 但圆圆心里还是在划弧，中国的同学有的还不如自己也能找到男朋友，怎样都是一个罗卜一个坑的。特别是国内女同学发来与男友亲密快乐的照片，圆圆就倍感孤独了。是啊，对于多情的少女，有什么比谈谈情说说爱，更让人激动与向往的呢，有了爱，贫穷根本不算什么。 圆圆试着和国内大学网站的大学生聊天，就认识了一位家乡省城大学男生，正在读大四。男孩是学文科的，但和圆圆极其谈得来。圆圆虽是学理工科的，但读书很多，看问题不但敏锐也有自己的见地。特别是圆圆的声音很美，如果你不在她眼前，你甚至怀疑这个好听的声音是从收音机里传来的。 为了这个男生，圆圆甚至给自己的前途都规划好了。因为拿奖学金要绑定三年在新加坡工作，于是圆圆就设想：第一年给弟弟挣足学费；第二年给爸妈挣点养老费；第三年给自己攒嫁妆。 圆圆是想回国生活的。因为她不知，在这里，自己的感情的着陆点在哪儿，看到想到的都是不可及的渺茫。圆圆的情感是丰富细腻的，她的心态是青春健康的。她娓娓道来的柔声，说到高兴时眼睛里泛起的柔光，你会觉得很亲切，善良而高尚。但圆圆的身体好像不甚健康，看似微胖有点浮肿，脸色也是暗淡的，站久了会头昏，更不敢蹲下，否则，站起来会昏得要扶桌子。 圆圆每月有500新币的奖学金，来新加坡的第一年着实过得很滋润，虽然第一年她就从奖学金里给在家乡县城重点中学住校读中学的弟弟寄回了5000人民币。但她还是有足够的钱生活，逛逛乌节路，到处走走逛逛。也有心思品视一下其她时髦靓丽的女孩。 家里的突然变故，让这个那时刚刚20岁的青春女孩承担了一切。家里在偏僻的中国农村，好的年景家里收入也就 4 5千元人民币。因此村里人都说她家祖坟冒青气了，养了个这么争气的姑娘，上大学不花钱还给钱，并且每年还能供弟弟5000人民币，看样子养姑娘不是赔钱的货，她家农村那里重男轻女极其严重。 好景不长，就在两年前，父亲借别人家的小四轮子（一种农村用的机动车）去乡里集市卖东西的路上，把别人撞伤，车也撞到大树上。几千块的修车费是小钱，这被撞伤的人躺在医院里可是个无底洞。圆圆的爸爸妈妈都是老实巴交的庄稼人，这一辈子也没遇见过事儿，这次可被撞蒙了，要卖房子要让地。房子都不值一万人民币，这地让出去吃啥呀？看样子只能让弟弟退学了，每年可省下八千，一万的。想到弟弟那聪明伶俐的样子，圆圆哭着请妈妈不要让弟弟退学。其实，圆圆的爸妈何尝愿意弟弟退学，那也是老两口养老的依靠啊！ 但此时，圆圆的爸妈真的没招了，该借的都借到了，满算着也就借到一万多块，先给伤人的家属拿去。这以后可怎么办呀？ 圆圆用自己那纤细的肩膀把家里所有的担子都扛了过来，她开导妈妈：我已上大二了，现在英文也过关了，我可以出去打工，这里打工很好赚的。晚上，圆圆哭了半宿，她很茫然很无助，她不知道怎样打工，到哪里去打工。 圆圆开始到处找临时工作，无论有没有工作，她每月最低都往家汇款2000多人民币。找不到工作的时节，每月的生活费只留下100新币。她甚至可以一周只吃面包沾白糖，一天吃两个大枕头面包。后来圆圆找到一个卖甜甜圈面包的工作，离学校不远。晚上下班后，老板还会把剩余没卖出去的甜甜圈送给圆圆，为此她常常不吃晚饭，下班后一次可以吃十多个甜甜圈，剩下的可以做早餐。这样圆圆中午可以吃两元钱的饭菜了。 两年时间里，圆圆总共给家里汇了五万多人民币。 圆圆性格是开朗的，乐观的，从不隐藏自己的观点，也愿意谈话。你要是请她去家里吃饭，她会说：不行呀，来回车费四新币，我能吃两顿饭。这是事实，饭菜的质量和营养并不重要，重要的是节约每一个“铜板”和时间。她的学业一直很优秀，否则奖学金被取消了，更得不偿失了。 圆圆打工越来越熟练了。这不，这个假期白天在一个公司做文员，晚上继续卖她的甜甜圈。 据说大四做毕业论文可能忙些，还要找工作什么的，圆圆的压力是否会很大？也许被撞伤的人也康复许多吧！ 让我们衷心祝愿圆圆健康，快乐，爱情美满！   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92540

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1 <h1 style="margin: auto 0in;">谈张元元事件 吴作栋：新加坡欢迎好的新移民</h1> 29/10/2009 10:26:00 字体: <a href="javascript:tsz('article_body','12px')"></a><a href="javascript:tsz('article_body','16px')"></a>   新加坡讯，张元元事件继续发酵，新加坡前总理、国务资政吴作栋在福建祭祖时表示，他理解张元元的作为，但他表示，新加坡不能随随便便吸纳新移民，而应该经过选择。 正在中国福建省进行访问的吴作栋，昨天在其祖母的故乡——福建省泉州市永春县吴岭村祖乡参访时，接受海峡时报记者访问时承认，“新移民问题在新加坡引发了热烈的讨论。”   他说，新加坡人的反应是，为什么新加坡需要“又一轮的新移民潮，”但我们也要记住，我们是来自哪里的。他说，新加坡人的一半，是来自福建人的后裔。   吴作栋指出，新加坡人的生育率和出生率都很低。   “如果我们要经济未来增长至少4-5%，你就需要有人力资源，”他说。“所以你需要增加新加坡的人口，这样才能取得更多的增长。”   但吴作栋也指出，新加坡人在欢迎移民时，也要设法融合新移民，以将摩擦减少到最低。   只有在理解了这些议题时，新加坡人才能够避免针对新移民的情绪性的辩论。   吴作栋说：“我知道针对中国女孩有一些辩论，她是新加坡永久居民，参加了中国国庆阅兵游行。”他指的是在中央电视台访问时，亮出新加坡身份证的张元元。   张元元声称效忠祖国，这激怒了新加坡人，海峡时报说。   吴作栋指出，像张元元这样的年轻中国公民要参加一个“重大活动”是可以理解的。   他指出，新加坡人持有其他国家如澳洲和英国的永久居民身份，如果在他们国家参加新加坡国庆，是不会遭受批评的。   “所以，一样的，这就是我们的态度——尝试去吸引他们走下一步，即成为新加坡公民。”   他呼吁新加坡人欢迎“对的人”加入新加坡公民。   “我们要欢迎经过选择的移民——我们不能开启防洪闸门，让所有各色人等都进来，新加坡将会不知所措的。但是……我们应该选择对的人来为新加坡做贡献。”   他说，新加坡是个主权国家，新加坡人民有独一无二的新加坡身份，有着中国、印度和马来西亚的元素，即使以我们的说话方式都是这样。   吴作栋也鼓励新加坡人寻找自己祖上的纽带，“我们是更大的整体的一部分。”   新加坡是在1965年独立的，但我们能追溯历史到英国建立新加坡的1819年。吴作栋说，这反应了“我们是更大的文明的一部分。”   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/news/singapore/3281.html

<h1 style="margin: auto 0in;">谈张元元事件 吴作栋：新加坡欢迎好的新移民</h1> 29/10/2009 10:26:00 字体: <a rel= "nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow"></a>   新加坡讯，张元元事件继续发酵，新加坡前总理、国务资政吴作栋在福建祭祖时表示，他理解张元元的作为，但他表示，新加坡不能随随便便吸纳新移民，而应该经过选择。 正在中国福建省进行访问的吴作栋，昨天在其祖母的故乡——福建省泉州市永春县吴岭村祖乡参访时，接受海峡时报记者访问时承认，“新移民问题在新加坡引发了热烈的讨论。”   他说，新加坡人的反应是，为什么新加坡需要“又一轮的新移民潮，”但我们也要记住，我们是来自哪里的。他说，新加坡人的一半，是来自福建人的后裔。   吴作栋指出，新加坡人的生育率和出生率都很低。   “如果我们要经济未来增长至少4-5%，你就需要有人力资源，”他说。“所以你需要增加新加坡的人口，这样才能取得更多的增长。”   但吴作栋也指出，新加坡人在欢迎移民时，也要设法融合新移民，以将摩擦减少到最低。   只有在理解了这些议题时，新加坡人才能够避免针对新移民的情绪性的辩论。   吴作栋说：“我知道针对中国女孩有一些辩论，她是新加坡永久居民，参加了中国国庆阅兵游行。”他指的是在中央电视台访问时，亮出新加坡身份证的张元元。   张元元声称效忠祖国，这激怒了新加坡人，海峡时报说。   吴作栋指出，像张元元这样的年轻中国公民要参加一个“重大活动”是可以理解的。   他指出，新加坡人持有其他国家如澳洲和英国的永久居民身份，如果在他们国家参加新加坡国庆，是不会遭受批评的。   “所以，一样的，这就是我们的态度——尝试去吸引他们走下一步，即成为新加坡公民。”   他呼吁新加坡人欢迎“对的人”加入新加坡公民。   “我们要欢迎经过选择的移民——我们不能开启防洪闸门，让所有各色人等都进来，新加坡将会不知所措的。但是……我们应该选择对的人来为新加坡做贡献。”   他说，新加坡是个主权国家，新加坡人民有独一无二的新加坡身份，有着中国、印度和马来西亚的元素，即使以我们的说话方式都是这样。   吴作栋也鼓励新加坡人寻找自己祖上的纽带，“我们是更大的整体的一部分。”   新加坡是在1965年独立的，但我们能追溯历史到英国建立新加坡的1819年。吴作栋说，这反应了“我们是更大的文明的一部分。”   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/news/singapore/3281.html

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1 actually it also manpower minstry fault,,,,,why they allow them permit in first place!!!??didnt mom check first???and if theres 100...surely there could be way more than this?

actually it also manpower minstry fault,,,,,why they allow them permit in first place!!!??didnt mom check first???and if theres 100...surely there could be way more than this?

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1 waaaa angel 7030.....so kind hearted......

waaaa angel 7030.....so kind hearted......

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1 <h1 style="margin: auto 0in;">张元元事件 新移民通过报纸展开反击</h1> 14/10/2009 13:40:00 字体: <a href="javascript:tsz('article_body','12px')"></a><a href="javascript:tsz('article_body','16px')"></a>   新加坡讯，新加坡永久居民、中国籍的张元元参加北京国庆阅兵游行引发的争议，在新加坡持续发酵。来自中国的新移民利用本地报纸展开反击。但新加坡政府昨天表示，新加坡将淘汰依赖外劳的低生产力产业。   张元元在北京参加女民兵方阵接受胡锦涛等的检阅。她在接受中国电视媒体的访问时说，“报效祖国是我的最大心愿”。相关报道也拍摄了张元元持有的新加坡的居民身份证。 这项报道传到新加坡后，引发了新加坡网民的愤怒。 一些网民认为，政府给了新移民很多的好处，但他们最终还是离去并效忠自己的国家，政府应该检讨是否给新移民的好处太多。 和个别新加坡“愤青”不同，大部分网民认为，他们并非指责张元元热爱她的国家，他们质疑的是政府引进的外国人是否太多，速度是否太快？ 在新加坡的英文网民社群，这个话题成为一个多星期来的热门话题。 不过，本地有新移民则利用报纸，对新加坡网民的讨论展开反击。 联合早报星期一发表一篇来自中国的新移民的文章。文章中说：“这轮‘炮轰’背后的情绪，并非针对张元元个人，凸显的是部分新加坡人对新移民的怀疑。” 这篇文章也指责网民的言论在新加坡为“非主流”，但文章并未提出民调数据。 文章还写道：“新加坡政府和主流社会向来欢迎新移民，并一再呼吁新加坡人，应该以更宽阔的胸怀接纳新移民。只不过，张元元事件让一些人理直气壮了，他们认为不是自己的胸怀不够宽阔，不是他们不想接纳，而是新移民不愿融入，新移民只是来占便宜的，不管我们怎么接纳，他们始终都是外人，会象张元元一样选择离开。” 文章也质疑那些“炮轰者”，不了解“新移民课题”。 “没有了解，就不可能有真正的信任或接纳。从这个角度来看那些炮轰张元元的人，他们对移民课题又有多少了解呢？” 在同一天，联合早报也刊载了对一些来自中国新移民的访问。 一名来自北京的新移民说：“我觉得好些本地人对张元元事件的反应太过激烈，也没有站在他人的角度设想。换个立场，如果一名新加坡人到国外长年打拼，回来后表示自己多爱新加坡，是否很正常？ ” 在海峡时报，同一天也刊载了署名为“He Zhiyu”的文章，谴责一些人以为永久居民应该放弃原国籍，是“幼稚的”。一些新加坡网民认为这篇文章也是新移民所写，但海峡时报网站过后有He_Zhiyu贴文声明，自己是在新加坡出生的。 这是海峡时报发表的唯一一篇针对张元元事件的读者来信。 在海峡时报网站和报业控股旗下的亚洲网论坛上，一再有网民表示，他们并非针对张元元的爱国热情。 海峡时报一位网友写道：“这里很多人都没抓住重点……我不介意永久居民回国参加阅兵。……如果考虑到我的国民服役，我认为如张元元这样的永久居民，享用了比如我这样的新加坡男性公民更多的好处。” 他写道：“政府必须醒醒了。男性公民完成国民服役，但我没有看到和永久居民有何不同。他们也享有雇佣补贴等等。如果可能，我不介意放弃新加坡公民权，成为一名永久居民，这样我可以在同等条件下在就业市场参加竞争。” 和新移民的“回击”不同，新加坡一名媒体人则投书报纸，表达了对新加坡网民的同情。 联合早报发表的李慧敏的文章指出：问题是，张元元在接受中央电视台访问时，出示她的新加坡永久居留证件，自豪地向中国广大人民群众表示“报效祖国是我最大的心愿”。这一幕看在一些新加坡网民眼里，非常不是滋味。 “不过，与其说新加坡人充满排外情绪，不如说是有一些人对政府充满了怨气。当前经济低迷，新加坡政府仍不断让外国人涌入，使得国民必须在已萎缩的就业市场继续与外国人竞争。” 新加坡上个月底公布的数据显示，新加坡人口已增至近500万，其中四分之一是外国员工。路透社说，移民潮导致新加坡人担心饭碗不保、生活标准下降。 根据数据，新加坡公民占总人口的比例只有64%。 路透社引述“淡马锡评论”网站在一篇有关人口数字的文章中说，移民狂潮引发了严重的通胀，公寓价格飞涨，低收入者工资停滞不前。 新加坡总理李显龙上个月曾表示，新加坡遭受全球经济危机重创，政府将限制外国员工的流入，不过，他同时也承认新加坡仍需要外国人。 不过，李显龙昨天出席一项工会活动时表示，政府将经过仔细考量后调整吸收外来工人的政策，以在客工人数和经济增长之间取得最佳的平衡。 这显然是对民间质疑移民政策所作出的回应。 但李显龙也指出，减缓客工的流入虽然一方面能让工会松一口气，但另一方面却会对经济带来显著的长期影响。 不过，李显龙表示，新加坡必须重组经济，减少过度依赖外劳的产业。 海峡时报引述李显龙说，新加坡最终要淘汰依赖外劳的低生产力的产业，如磁盘驱动器产业，以新的产业取代。   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/news/singapore/3188.html

<h1 style="margin: auto 0in;">张元元事件 新移民通过报纸展开反击</h1> 14/10/2009 13:40:00 字体: <a rel= "nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow"></a>   新加坡讯，新加坡永久居民、中国籍的张元元参加北京国庆阅兵游行引发的争议，在新加坡持续发酵。来自中国的新移民利用本地报纸展开反击。但新加坡政府昨天表示，新加坡将淘汰依赖外劳的低生产力产业。   张元元在北京参加女民兵方阵接受胡锦涛等的检阅。她在接受中国电视媒体的访问时说，“报效祖国是我的最大心愿”。相关报道也拍摄了张元元持有的新加坡的居民身份证。 这项报道传到新加坡后，引发了新加坡网民的愤怒。 一些网民认为，政府给了新移民很多的好处，但他们最终还是离去并效忠自己的国家，政府应该检讨是否给新移民的好处太多。 和个别新加坡“愤青”不同，大部分网民认为，他们并非指责张元元热爱她的国家，他们质疑的是政府引进的外国人是否太多，速度是否太快？ 在新加坡的英文网民社群，这个话题成为一个多星期来的热门话题。 不过，本地有新移民则利用报纸，对新加坡网民的讨论展开反击。 联合早报星期一发表一篇来自中国的新移民的文章。文章中说：“这轮‘炮轰’背后的情绪，并非针对张元元个人，凸显的是部分新加坡人对新移民的怀疑。” 这篇文章也指责网民的言论在新加坡为“非主流”，但文章并未提出民调数据。 文章还写道：“新加坡政府和主流社会向来欢迎新移民，并一再呼吁新加坡人，应该以更宽阔的胸怀接纳新移民。只不过，张元元事件让一些人理直气壮了，他们认为不是自己的胸怀不够宽阔，不是他们不想接纳，而是新移民不愿融入，新移民只是来占便宜的，不管我们怎么接纳，他们始终都是外人，会象张元元一样选择离开。” 文章也质疑那些“炮轰者”，不了解“新移民课题”。 “没有了解，就不可能有真正的信任或接纳。从这个角度来看那些炮轰张元元的人，他们对移民课题又有多少了解呢？” 在同一天，联合早报也刊载了对一些来自中国新移民的访问。 一名来自北京的新移民说：“我觉得好些本地人对张元元事件的反应太过激烈，也没有站在他人的角度设想。换个立场，如果一名新加坡人到国外长年打拼，回来后表示自己多爱新加坡，是否很正常？ ” 在海峡时报，同一天也刊载了署名为“He Zhiyu”的文章，谴责一些人以为永久居民应该放弃原国籍，是“幼稚的”。一些新加坡网民认为这篇文章也是新移民所写，但海峡时报网站过后有He_Zhiyu贴文声明，自己是在新加坡出生的。 这是海峡时报发表的唯一一篇针对张元元事件的读者来信。 在海峡时报网站和报业控股旗下的亚洲网论坛上，一再有网民表示，他们并非针对张元元的爱国热情。 海峡时报一位网友写道：“这里很多人都没抓住重点……我不介意永久居民回国参加阅兵。……如果考虑到我的国民服役，我认为如张元元这样的永久居民，享用了比如我这样的新加坡男性公民更多的好处。” 他写道：“政府必须醒醒了。男性公民完成国民服役，但我没有看到和永久居民有何不同。他们也享有雇佣补贴等等。如果可能，我不介意放弃新加坡公民权，成为一名永久居民，这样我可以在同等条件下在就业市场参加竞争。” 和新移民的“回击”不同，新加坡一名媒体人则投书报纸，表达了对新加坡网民的同情。 联合早报发表的李慧敏的文章指出：问题是，张元元在接受中央电视台访问时，出示她的新加坡永久居留证件，自豪地向中国广大人民群众表示“报效祖国是我最大的心愿”。这一幕看在一些新加坡网民眼里，非常不是滋味。 “不过，与其说新加坡人充满排外情绪，不如说是有一些人对政府充满了怨气。当前经济低迷，新加坡政府仍不断让外国人涌入，使得国民必须在已萎缩的就业市场继续与外国人竞争。” 新加坡上个月底公布的数据显示，新加坡人口已增至近500万，其中四分之一是外国员工。路透社说，移民潮导致新加坡人担心饭碗不保、生活标准下降。 根据数据，新加坡公民占总人口的比例只有64%。 路透社引述“淡马锡评论”网站在一篇有关人口数字的文章中说，移民狂潮引发了严重的通胀，公寓价格飞涨，低收入者工资停滞不前。 新加坡总理李显龙上个月曾表示，新加坡遭受全球经济危机重创，政府将限制外国员工的流入，不过，他同时也承认新加坡仍需要外国人。 不过，李显龙昨天出席一项工会活动时表示，政府将经过仔细考量后调整吸收外来工人的政策，以在客工人数和经济增长之间取得最佳的平衡。 这显然是对民间质疑移民政策所作出的回应。 但李显龙也指出，减缓客工的流入虽然一方面能让工会松一口气，但另一方面却会对经济带来显著的长期影响。 不过，李显龙表示，新加坡必须重组经济，减少过度依赖外劳的产业。 海峡时报引述李显龙说，新加坡最终要淘汰依赖外劳的低生产力的产业，如磁盘驱动器产业，以新的产业取代。   Source: http://www.nanyangpost.com/news/singapore/3188.html

2009-11-07T20:04:08+08:00

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1 Ever noticed that the greatest fear of a world government seems to be from America? Ever considered the possibility that the fear is from Americans afraid of the loss of their dominance, rather than that of a tyrannical government? Or from the Christian fear that the Anti Christ would form the world government? I find the reasoning for the fear of this world government to have little basis. It's no more likely to be tyrannical than any other form of governing body right now. Is the fear of this world government body because it would geninuely be tyrannical or simply that it could force the West to be on the same level as the rest of the world ?

Ever noticed that the greatest fear of a world government seems to be from America? Ever considered the possibility that the fear is from Americans afraid of the loss of their dominance, rather than that of a tyrannical government? Or from the Christian fear that the Anti Christ would form the world government? I find the reasoning for the fear of this world government to have little basis. It's no more likely to be tyrannical than any other form of governing body right now. Is the fear of this world government body because it would geninuely be tyrannical or simply that it could force the West to be on the same level as the rest of the world ?

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2 多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则 'Listen more, connect more, criticise less, appreciate and praise more. Complaining every day won't buy you happiness, but regret. If you don't treat Singapore as home, Singapore won't treat you as part of its family.' （2009-10-20） ● 杨建伟 热点话题 博主按：尽管此文是针对新加坡的新移民所言，但是，在交通通讯便利、社会流动频繁的今天，各种形式的移民不断增多，不信就反问你自己，你出生在你现在工作生活之地吗？我们都需要适应新环境的能力。此文或许对您会有所启发，因此，鄙人在此推荐，敬请一阅。 　　新移民如何平稳、顺利地融入一个新环境？这不仅仅是中国新移民在融入新加坡的过程中所面对的问题，也是世界上所有的新移民迁徙到一个新国家、新环境都要面对的问题和困难。也正因为如此，新移民融入的课题便成为新加坡从国家领导、政府部门到社会各阶层、各方面都共同关心和关注的课题。 　　新移民融入的问题，归根结底是一个供求关系的问题。倘若不是因为出生率降低、人口老龄化的比例逐年升高、吸引新移民已经成为一项重要的人口替代国策的话，新加坡大可不必面对这个矛盾和自寻烦恼。 　　关于引进外来人才的重要性，李显龙总理在10月上旬出访日本之前，接受日本媒体的书面访问时，被问及哪项政策是他可以介绍给日本首相鸠山由纪夫，李总理的回答是，引进外来人才政策。他首先说明新加坡是小国，所面对的挑战自然与日本不同。但两国都面对人口老龄化的问题，这个问题的长期后果是国家的经济能力将逐渐削弱。新加坡的对策是开放门户吸引外来人才，并欢迎他们移民并融入本地社会。 　　他说：“如果没有移民，新加坡的人口及劳动队伍将在约2020年开始下降。不过日本还是很难接受移民的概念。” 　　 新移民融入新环境，少数人可能是一帆风顺，没有什么困难，多数人则会面对这样那样的问题，需要一个适应的过程和时间。新移民是把原来故国的熟地丢掉重新来拓荒，当然要有一段耕耘的时间。不过，只要辛勤耕耘，何愁没有收获？ 　　根据笔者自己在新加坡生活和工作了16年的亲身经历和感受，新移民如果希望顺利的融入新环境，最重要的是要有一个正确的心态，笔者把此归纳为新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则——多听、少说、欣赏、称赞。 　　多听。到了一个新环境，要多学习、多了解新情况；要客观、公正、全面的了解，而不是主观、片面、局部的了解，更不是“两耳不闻窗外事，一心只读老皇历”。 “兼听则明，偏信则暗”     坦率地讲，新移民看老移民有许多不顺眼，老移民看新移民同样也有许多不顺眼，甚至更多。这些不顺眼久而久之就会发展成误会和隔阂。多听就是多沟通、多了解，这是减少相互不顺眼、化解误会、消除隔阂的不二法门。鸡犬之声相闻，民至老死不相往来，这是小农经济和小农意识，不是现代社会和现代文明的表现。 　　新移民要跳出自己人的小圈子，多和周围的当地人、老移民接触、交往和交流，熟悉他们的生活，熟悉他们的语言、思想与文化，和他们交朋友。了解他们在说什么、想什么，知道他们对新移民的看法和评价是什么。 　　为什么要强调多听？《贞观政要》这部记载唐太宗与群臣之间治理国事的问答哲理著作中有重要的描述。 　　贞观二年，太宗问魏征曰：“何谓明君？何谓暗君？”魏征回答说：“君之所以明者，兼听也；其所以暗者，偏信也。”这就是“兼听则明，偏信则暗”。对新环境没有全面的了解，不知道外部的信息和反映，尤其是听不到外界批评的声音，长此以往只会使自己向自闭症靠拢，也容易导致偏激、偏见和互不信任 　　少说。新移民是客人，老移民是主人，客人就要有身为客人的为客之道，这就是尊重主人、感激主人。入乡随俗、客随主便、到什么山唱什么歌，这些都是为客之道的起码原则。 少说，是指新移民在融入新环境的过程中，在面临融入的矛盾和问题时，首先要检讨自己、反省自己，而不是指责别人、批评别人。每每聚在一起便群情激奋的讲新环境的不是，得了别人的好处也不领情，反而是怨言多多，时间长了只会引起主人的反感。 　　少说，少埋怨、少挑剔、少说负面的意见。过多悲观、负面的意见和情绪，不但使别人不高兴，也会打击和伤害自己，使自己丧失奋斗和进取的勇气，在困难面前退缩。 先熟悉游戏规则才能改变它 　　少说，也是因为病从口入，祸从口出。当然，任何社会都不是十全十美的，都存在缺点和错误，新加坡也不例外。不过，作为初来乍到的新移民，自己都立足未稳，自己的事情尚且没有理清楚，就去急急忙忙批评别人，批评主人的这里不好、那里不好，难免会在一些敏感事情上引起主人的不悦。主人嘴上不一定说，但心里大概一定会想：“你算老几？什么时候轮到你来指手画脚？”要知道，新移民到一个新环境，首先是熟悉游戏规则，积极参加游戏。在刚刚有资格参加游戏的时候，就想着改变人家的游戏规则，是不是太着急了一些？ 　　少说，尤其是少说新环境的坏话，这不但是一种理性、宽容和胸怀，也是一种生存的智慧。香港多产作家冯两努早就说过：要做宽容的人。宽容的人不是会点人家的死穴，而是会点人家的喜穴。 少说，也包括不要盲目指责这里的英语，更不要以指责这里的英语是Singlish或是“南洋英语”而掩饰自己的英语盲或英语荒。要清醒的认识到，这里的英语再不标准，也是英语；你的华文再标准，也无法替代英语。新加坡是一个使用英语的天地，不会英语或者英语程度不足，在这里是无所作为的。 　　欣赏。新移民到新环境，面对许许多多和原来的人生经验不一样、不熟悉、不习惯的事物，要用欣赏的眼光和心态培养自己对新环境的喜欢和热爱。要拿自己的短处比人家的长处，而不是拿自己的长处比人家的短处。 　　新加坡这个蕞尔小岛、弹丸之地，无论从禀赋要素或国家学说的角度来衡量，都没有资格成为一个独立的国家，可是她成为了，并且用一代人的时间从第三世界跃升到第一世界，其政治的、经济的成就远远超出了小国的国界，为全世界所瞩目、所赞赏、所学习、所仿效。 这个成功的背后，一定有她的过人之处和值得我们思考、欣赏和学习的东西。比如：新加坡政府的廉洁与高效，新加坡社会对法制和诚信的高度推崇，新加坡社会相当高的公平与公正……也正因为如此，新加坡才吸引了巩俐、李连杰、罗杰斯等众多成功人士来这里安家落户。 　　从1978年11月邓小平访问新加坡开始，30多年来中国的党政干部，从江泽民到各省市的领导，从没有间断地来新加坡考察、学习和培训。据笔者了解，近年来每年来新加坡学习和培训的中国党政干部约有1100个团组。这也充分说明了新加坡大有值得欣赏和学习之处。 　　称赞。在认同、接受和欣赏之后，还要学会称赞。称赞，就是要把内心深处对主人的尊重和感激之情说出来、表达出来，让主人知道她的客人是明理之人，值得欢迎、值得接纳。 　　根据台湾著名文学家和历史学家柏杨先生倾毕生精力的研究，人类有一个共性或者规律，那就是喜欢被人称赞——这也许可以称之为普世价值。柏杨的惊人发现是，这个规律竟然适用于所有的人：从襁褓里的婴儿到孩童到成人到老年人，从庶民百姓和贩夫走卒到帝王领袖和伟人圣贤。当然，现代管理科学也对此现象进行了系统的分析并给出了一个结论：激励——激发和鼓励。美国著名管理学大师彼得·杜拉克的名言便是：正面的激励永远比负面的训斥来得有效。 　　说到称赞，唐朝诗人李白给我们树立了极好的榜样。天宝14年（公元755年），李白出游安徽泾县桃花潭之后乘船离开的时候，当地人汪伦到岸边唱歌送行，令李白非常感动，于是赋诗一首《赠汪伦》：“李白乘舟将欲行，忽闻岸上踏歌声。桃花潭水深千尺，不及汪伦送我情。”汪伦不过是前去给李白做了一个送行，李白就真诚地称赞汪伦亲临送别的情义比桃花潭水还要深厚，借此向汪伦表达了自己最崇高的感激之情。新加坡给新移民追求美好的明天提供了一个新的发展机会和发展平台，这份情义大概不亚于汪伦到岸边给李白的送行吧。 政府可考虑引导新移民学习英语 　　   新移民融入新环境，要立足，要生存，要发展，就要努力学习英语、不断提高自己的英语水平，这应该是新移民在新加坡安身立命的基本功。除了新移民自身的努力之外，新加坡政府可否比照“学华语运动”的模式，开展一个大规模的、政府主导的“学英语运动”？开设各种类别的培训班和培训课程，定期举办等级考试并颁发政府认可的、有含金量的英语等级证书。 为了鼓励新移民积极、主动地学习英语，政府可以研究和制定一套学习成绩和经济利益、就业机会挂钩的激励制度或物质奖励制度：一是考试合格者可获得高比例的学费回扣；二是成绩优异者可获得一笔奖金；三是证书获得者可获得雇主的优先录取。这样虽会给政府带来一些财务负担，但为了提高数十万非英语源流的新移民的英语水平，也就是提高了他们的就业能力和生存能力，进而提高新加坡的整体国民素质，这应该是一项既有重大现实意义也有深远历史意义的有价值的投资。 　　新移民融入新环境，要既来之，则安之。既然来到了新加坡，就要把心放在新加坡，把这里当成自己的第二故乡，安下心来在这里立足、经营和发展。对新环境不仅仅是人向往之，还要心向往之。这山望着那山高，心神不定，没有长期发展的打算；或者把这里当成一个跳板，随时准备转移和撤退，我猜想新加坡对此可能会不表欢迎。这样的结果对自己、对新加坡都没有好处。 　　当然，新移民融入新环境，需要一个过程，也需要一段时间。“既来之，则安之”同样适用于新加坡政府和新加坡社会。大家都应该有充分的思想准备，不要急躁、浮躁、急功近利和急于求成，更不能拔苗助长。 作者是新加坡天府会副会长兼秘书长  Source: http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974

多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则 'Listen more, connect more, criticise less, appreciate and praise more. Complaining every day won't buy you happiness, but regret. If you don't treat Singapore as home, Singapore won't treat you as part of its family.' （2009-10-20） ● 杨建伟 热点话题 博主按：尽管此文是针对新加坡的新移民所言，但是，在交通通讯便利、社会流动频繁的今天，各种形式的移民不断增多，不信就反问你自己，你出生在你现在工作生活之地吗？我们都需要适应新环境的能力。此文或许对您会有所启发，因此，鄙人在此推荐，敬请一阅。 　　新移民如何平稳、顺利地融入一个新环境？这不仅仅是中国新移民在融入新加坡的过程中所面对的问题，也是世界上所有的新移民迁徙到一个新国家、新环境都要面对的问题和困难。也正因为如此，新移民融入的课题便成为新加坡从国家领导、政府部门到社会各阶层、各方面都共同关心和关注的课题。 　　新移民融入的问题，归根结底是一个供求关系的问题。倘若不是因为出生率降低、人口老龄化的比例逐年升高、吸引新移民已经成为一项重要的人口替代国策的话，新加坡大可不必面对这个矛盾和自寻烦恼。 　　关于引进外来人才的重要性，李显龙总理在10月上旬出访日本之前，接受日本媒体的书面访问时，被问及哪项政策是他可以介绍给日本首相鸠山由纪夫，李总理的回答是，引进外来人才政策。他首先说明新加坡是小国，所面对的挑战自然与日本不同。但两国都面对人口老龄化的问题，这个问题的长期后果是国家的经济能力将逐渐削弱。新加坡的对策是开放门户吸引外来人才，并欢迎他们移民并融入本地社会。 　　他说：“如果没有移民，新加坡的人口及劳动队伍将在约2020年开始下降。不过日本还是很难接受移民的概念。” 　　 新移民融入新环境，少数人可能是一帆风顺，没有什么困难，多数人则会面对这样那样的问题，需要一个适应的过程和时间。新移民是把原来故国的熟地丢掉重新来拓荒，当然要有一段耕耘的时间。不过，只要辛勤耕耘，何愁没有收获？ 　　根据笔者自己在新加坡生活和工作了16年的亲身经历和感受，新移民如果希望顺利的融入新环境，最重要的是要有一个正确的心态，笔者把此归纳为新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则——多听、少说、欣赏、称赞。 　　多听。到了一个新环境，要多学习、多了解新情况；要客观、公正、全面的了解，而不是主观、片面、局部的了解，更不是“两耳不闻窗外事，一心只读老皇历”。 “兼听则明，偏信则暗”     坦率地讲，新移民看老移民有许多不顺眼，老移民看新移民同样也有许多不顺眼，甚至更多。这些不顺眼久而久之就会发展成误会和隔阂。多听就是多沟通、多了解，这是减少相互不顺眼、化解误会、消除隔阂的不二法门。鸡犬之声相闻，民至老死不相往来，这是小农经济和小农意识，不是现代社会和现代文明的表现。 　　新移民要跳出自己人的小圈子，多和周围的当地人、老移民接触、交往和交流，熟悉他们的生活，熟悉他们的语言、思想与文化，和他们交朋友。了解他们在说什么、想什么，知道他们对新移民的看法和评价是什么。 　　为什么要强调多听？《贞观政要》这部记载唐太宗与群臣之间治理国事的问答哲理著作中有重要的描述。 　　贞观二年，太宗问魏征曰：“何谓明君？何谓暗君？”魏征回答说：“君之所以明者，兼听也；其所以暗者，偏信也。”这就是“兼听则明，偏信则暗”。对新环境没有全面的了解，不知道外部的信息和反映，尤其是听不到外界批评的声音，长此以往只会使自己向自闭症靠拢，也容易导致偏激、偏见和互不信任 　　少说。新移民是客人，老移民是主人，客人就要有身为客人的为客之道，这就是尊重主人、感激主人。入乡随俗、客随主便、到什么山唱什么歌，这些都是为客之道的起码原则。 少说，是指新移民在融入新环境的过程中，在面临融入的矛盾和问题时，首先要检讨自己、反省自己，而不是指责别人、批评别人。每每聚在一起便群情激奋的讲新环境的不是，得了别人的好处也不领情，反而是怨言多多，时间长了只会引起主人的反感。 　　少说，少埋怨、少挑剔、少说负面的意见。过多悲观、负面的意见和情绪，不但使别人不高兴，也会打击和伤害自己，使自己丧失奋斗和进取的勇气，在困难面前退缩。 先熟悉游戏规则才能改变它 　　少说，也是因为病从口入，祸从口出。当然，任何社会都不是十全十美的，都存在缺点和错误，新加坡也不例外。不过，作为初来乍到的新移民，自己都立足未稳，自己的事情尚且没有理清楚，就去急急忙忙批评别人，批评主人的这里不好、那里不好，难免会在一些敏感事情上引起主人的不悦。主人嘴上不一定说，但心里大概一定会想：“你算老几？什么时候轮到你来指手画脚？”要知道，新移民到一个新环境，首先是熟悉游戏规则，积极参加游戏。在刚刚有资格参加游戏的时候，就想着改变人家的游戏规则，是不是太着急了一些？ 　　少说，尤其是少说新环境的坏话，这不但是一种理性、宽容和胸怀，也是一种生存的智慧。香港多产作家冯两努早就说过：要做宽容的人。宽容的人不是会点人家的死穴，而是会点人家的喜穴。 少说，也包括不要盲目指责这里的英语，更不要以指责这里的英语是Singlish或是“南洋英语”而掩饰自己的英语盲或英语荒。要清醒的认识到，这里的英语再不标准，也是英语；你的华文再标准，也无法替代英语。新加坡是一个使用英语的天地，不会英语或者英语程度不足，在这里是无所作为的。 　　欣赏。新移民到新环境，面对许许多多和原来的人生经验不一样、不熟悉、不习惯的事物，要用欣赏的眼光和心态培养自己对新环境的喜欢和热爱。要拿自己的短处比人家的长处，而不是拿自己的长处比人家的短处。 　　新加坡这个蕞尔小岛、弹丸之地，无论从禀赋要素或国家学说的角度来衡量，都没有资格成为一个独立的国家，可是她成为了，并且用一代人的时间从第三世界跃升到第一世界，其政治的、经济的成就远远超出了小国的国界，为全世界所瞩目、所赞赏、所学习、所仿效。 这个成功的背后，一定有她的过人之处和值得我们思考、欣赏和学习的东西。比如：新加坡政府的廉洁与高效，新加坡社会对法制和诚信的高度推崇，新加坡社会相当高的公平与公正……也正因为如此，新加坡才吸引了巩俐、李连杰、罗杰斯等众多成功人士来这里安家落户。 　　从1978年11月邓小平访问新加坡开始，30多年来中国的党政干部，从江泽民到各省市的领导，从没有间断地来新加坡考察、学习和培训。据笔者了解，近年来每年来新加坡学习和培训的中国党政干部约有1100个团组。这也充分说明了新加坡大有值得欣赏和学习之处。 　　称赞。在认同、接受和欣赏之后，还要学会称赞。称赞，就是要把内心深处对主人的尊重和感激之情说出来、表达出来，让主人知道她的客人是明理之人，值得欢迎、值得接纳。 　　根据台湾著名文学家和历史学家柏杨先生倾毕生精力的研究，人类有一个共性或者规律，那就是喜欢被人称赞——这也许可以称之为普世价值。柏杨的惊人发现是，这个规律竟然适用于所有的人：从襁褓里的婴儿到孩童到成人到老年人，从庶民百姓和贩夫走卒到帝王领袖和伟人圣贤。当然，现代管理科学也对此现象进行了系统的分析并给出了一个结论：激励——激发和鼓励。美国著名管理学大师彼得·杜拉克的名言便是：正面的激励永远比负面的训斥来得有效。 　　说到称赞，唐朝诗人李白给我们树立了极好的榜样。天宝14年（公元755年），李白出游安徽泾县桃花潭之后乘船离开的时候，当地人汪伦到岸边唱歌送行，令李白非常感动，于是赋诗一首《赠汪伦》：“李白乘舟将欲行，忽闻岸上踏歌声。桃花潭水深千尺，不及汪伦送我情。”汪伦不过是前去给李白做了一个送行，李白就真诚地称赞汪伦亲临送别的情义比桃花潭水还要深厚，借此向汪伦表达了自己最崇高的感激之情。新加坡给新移民追求美好的明天提供了一个新的发展机会和发展平台，这份情义大概不亚于汪伦到岸边给李白的送行吧。 政府可考虑引导新移民学习英语 　　   新移民融入新环境，要立足，要生存，要发展，就要努力学习英语、不断提高自己的英语水平，这应该是新移民在新加坡安身立命的基本功。除了新移民自身的努力之外，新加坡政府可否比照“学华语运动”的模式，开展一个大规模的、政府主导的“学英语运动”？开设各种类别的培训班和培训课程，定期举办等级考试并颁发政府认可的、有含金量的英语等级证书。 为了鼓励新移民积极、主动地学习英语，政府可以研究和制定一套学习成绩和经济利益、就业机会挂钩的激励制度或物质奖励制度：一是考试合格者可获得高比例的学费回扣；二是成绩优异者可获得一笔奖金；三是证书获得者可获得雇主的优先录取。这样虽会给政府带来一些财务负担，但为了提高数十万非英语源流的新移民的英语水平，也就是提高了他们的就业能力和生存能力，进而提高新加坡的整体国民素质，这应该是一项既有重大现实意义也有深远历史意义的有价值的投资。 　　新移民融入新环境，要既来之，则安之。既然来到了新加坡，就要把心放在新加坡，把这里当成自己的第二故乡，安下心来在这里立足、经营和发展。对新环境不仅仅是人向往之，还要心向往之。这山望着那山高，心神不定，没有长期发展的打算；或者把这里当成一个跳板，随时准备转移和撤退，我猜想新加坡对此可能会不表欢迎。这样的结果对自己、对新加坡都没有好处。 　　当然，新移民融入新环境，需要一个过程，也需要一段时间。“既来之，则安之”同样适用于新加坡政府和新加坡社会。大家都应该有充分的思想准备，不要急躁、浮躁、急功近利和急于求成，更不能拔苗助长。 作者是新加坡天府会副会长兼秘书长  Source: http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974

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回复: 新加坡学者指新移民不该反客为主 <div class="" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> <hr /></div> From The Straits Times - Oct 9, 2009. Insight. A NEW immigrant freelance writer triggered off a controversy in Lianhe Zaobao recently when she bemoaned the falling standards on the Singapore Chinese orchestra scene. In an article based on interviews with musicians from China in the Singapore Chinese Orchestra, Ms Zou Lu commented that while the Government had been active in promoting and popularising the arts, the public still lacked a sense of identification with the music. She asked if the music was entering a 'sunset phase' and if Singapore's young talented artists were being 'strangled' by an unappreciative society. The immediate response was a flurry of letters from the local community defending the vibrancy of Singapore Chinese orchestra music and questioning Ms Zou's familiarity with the scene. Ms Zou's critique in the Chinese morning daily was singled out by a new citizen from Sichuan, Professor William Yang Jian Wei, as an example of how new arrivals need to be attuned to the sensitivities of their host society. As Prof Yang, who became a Singaporean in 2004 after working here for 11 years, put it: 'According to traditional Chinese teaching, the one who comes first is the master and the rest are guests. As a guest, there are rules for you: When the master welcomes you, you should pay due respect and be grateful. If you start to be picky and criticise this and that, the host won't be happy. 'I am not saying that one should not criticise, but rather that it should be done carefully. Otherwise the host will say, do not lay your finger on my rice.' Prof Yang, 59, sits on the 17-member National Integration Working Group for Community, one of four groups set up by the Government since April to discuss and implement integration programmes. The vice-president of business consultancy Asia-Link Technology addressed a group of 250 mostly immigrant Chinese in a dialogue organised by the Tian Fu Club, an association for Chinese immigrants, and the Amoy Association at the Singapore Chinese Chamber of Commerce and Industry last Saturday. Prof Yang, an author of several books on investing in China, referred to the tendency among new well-educated Chinese immigrants to gripe, for example, about the use of Chinese and English in Singapore. Rather than complain, he said, new arrivals should ru siang sui su - adapt to the customs of the place they are in. 'If you cannot change the environment, you can only change yourself. To want the environment to change for you is not practical.' Talking about how Chinese immigrants could be better integrated here, he noted how many came to Singapore mistakenly thinking that Singaporean Chinese culture was identical to mainland Chinese culture. He said that Singapore, after around 150 years of being a British colony, has developed a very different culture and operates on a system of laws and contracts rather than relationships, or guanxi. Drawing an example, he said that if Singaporeans were pulled up for a traffic offence, they would go to the authorities to pay a fine. 'But the Chinese will tell the policeman, I think my brother's wife's uncle's son is a policeman, perhaps he can help? Chinese can't use guanxi here, that's why they get frustrated,' Prof Yang said. The result is that immigrants, unused to the Singaporean way of life, end up mingling with their own circle of people, whether they are studying or working here. Not knowing the world outside their circle, and not interested in exploring further, he said, they stay different from locals in their way of thinking, culture and the way they interact with people. As Prof Yang pointed out, immigrants also do not mix with the locals because they do not speak English. While Chinese immigrants mainly use Mandarin, English is the main language of communication in Singapore where even the local Chinese talk to one another in English, he said. Most adult Chinese immigrants here - apart from a small professional group - do not speak English well enough to communicate with the locals. And that, in Prof Yang's view, is the key factor that explains why locals and immigrant Chinese do not mix. A Speak Good English campaign targeted at immigrants from non-English speaking backgrounds can help, he said. But ultimately the onus is on oneself. To integrate, new immigrants have to work hard at learning English. 'Listen more, connect more, criticise less, appreciate and praise more. Complaining every day won't buy you happiness, but regret. If you don't treat Singapore as home, Singapore won't treat you as part of its family.'

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1 “永久居民”心态上应该是本地的东道主吗？ <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; word-break: break-all;"> <hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /> </div> 南洋视界新加坡讯，一位新移民在报纸上指责新加坡的华乐日薄西山，遭致舆论的批驳其不符事实。海峡时报引述学者认为，这件事凸显了新移民不尊重本地社会的情况。 来自中国的新加坡永久居民邹璐，日前在联合早报发表一篇文章，指新加坡的华乐日薄西山，引发了激烈的辩论。参与辩论的不但包括在新加坡的新移民，更有新加坡音乐界的著名人士。新加坡华乐团总经理何伟山也撰文表明观点，联合早报甚至为此发表社论。 事件现在开始延烧到了英文报章。海峡时报今天刊载报道，引述了学者的看法。 海峡时报指出，邹璐在专访了新加坡华乐团的音乐家后发表的文章说，新加坡政府一直在积极推动艺术，但公众依然缺乏对音乐的整体认同感。 海峡时报引述她质疑说，新加坡的华乐是否日薄西山，以及在新加坡的环境里，音乐家们在这个“不被鼓励的社会大环境下，被扼杀牺牲掉”。 来自四川的新公民杨建伟教授在接受海峡时报访问时，以邹璐事件为例子，指出新移民需要认识到本地社会的感受。 杨建伟是在2004年成为新加坡人的，之前他在新加坡居住了11年。他说：“在传统的华人教育中，先来者是主人，后来者者是客人。作为客人，你应该遵守一些习惯：当主人欢迎你，你应该表示应有的尊敬和感激。如果你开始吹毛求疵，批评这批评那，主人会不高兴。” “我不是说不能批评，但最好小心处理。” 杨建伟也呼吁新移民“入乡随俗”，“如果你不能改变环境，你只能改变你自己。要环境为你改变是不现实的。” 邹璐事件发生之后，除了海峡时报今天的报道，事实上，也有一些人质疑，作为永久居民的新移民，是不是适合在公开场合以新加坡人的代言人的身份发表看法。 一位不愿披露姓名本地的音乐界人士告诉南洋视界，邹璐在这篇文章中，“以新加坡一部分人的代言人的口气说法，会令很多本地人不快。” 事件发生后，邹璐尚未公开给予回应。   这位新加坡学者，今天发表长篇文章： <a href="http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974" target="_blank">多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则</a>       回复: 新加坡学者指新移民不该反客为主 <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; word-break: break-all;"> <hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /> </div> 'Listen more, connect more, criticise less, appreciate and praise more. Complaining every day won't buy you happiness, but regret. If you don't treat Singapore as home, Singapore won't treat you as part of its family.' <a href="http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974" target="_blank">多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则</a>   这位老兄知道什么叫做融入。那位张元元就是“don't treat Singapore as home”。身为PR，要回去中国没有什么问题，不过为什么要那么煽情的非要突显自己Singapore PR的身份？如果真要那么洒狗血，干脆当着记者的面把那个蓝色身份证一刀两断不是更干脆？

“永久居民”心态上应该是本地的东道主吗？ <div class="" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> <hr /></div> 南洋视界新加坡讯，一位新移民在报纸上指责新加坡的华乐日薄西山，遭致舆论的批驳其不符事实。海峡时报引述学者认为，这件事凸显了新移民不尊重本地社会的情况。 来自中国的新加坡永久居民邹璐，日前在联合早报发表一篇文章，指新加坡的华乐日薄西山，引发了激烈的辩论。参与辩论的不但包括在新加坡的新移民，更有新加坡音乐界的著名人士。新加坡华乐团总经理何伟山也撰文表明观点，联合早报甚至为此发表社论。 事件现在开始延烧到了英文报章。海峡时报今天刊载报道，引述了学者的看法。 海峡时报指出，邹璐在专访了新加坡华乐团的音乐家后发表的文章说，新加坡政府一直在积极推动艺术，但公众依然缺乏对音乐的整体认同感。 海峡时报引述她质疑说，新加坡的华乐是否日薄西山，以及在新加坡的环境里，音乐家们在这个“不被鼓励的社会大环境下，被扼杀牺牲掉”。 来自四川的新公民杨建伟教授在接受海峡时报访问时，以邹璐事件为例子，指出新移民需要认识到本地社会的感受。 杨建伟是在2004年成为新加坡人的，之前他在新加坡居住了11年。他说：“在传统的华人教育中，先来者是主人，后来者者是客人。作为客人，你应该遵守一些习惯：当主人欢迎你，你应该表示应有的尊敬和感激。如果你开始吹毛求疵，批评这批评那，主人会不高兴。” “我不是说不能批评，但最好小心处理。” 杨建伟也呼吁新移民“入乡随俗”，“如果你不能改变环境，你只能改变你自己。要环境为你改变是不现实的。” 邹璐事件发生之后，除了海峡时报今天的报道，事实上，也有一些人质疑，作为永久居民的新移民，是不是适合在公开场合以新加坡人的代言人的身份发表看法。 一位不愿披露姓名本地的音乐界人士告诉南洋视界，邹璐在这篇文章中，“以新加坡一部分人的代言人的口气说法，会令很多本地人不快。” 事件发生后，邹璐尚未公开给予回应。   这位新加坡学者，今天发表长篇文章： <a href= "http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974" rel= "nofollow">多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则</a>       回复: 新加坡学者指新移民不该反客为主 <div class="" style="text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> <hr /></div> 'Listen more, connect more, criticise less, appreciate and praise more. Complaining every day won't buy you happiness, but regret. If you don't treat Singapore as home, Singapore won't treat you as part of its family.' <a href= "http://hua5432.fyfz.cn/blog/hua5432/index.aspx?blogid=532974" rel= "nofollow">多听、少说、欣赏、称赞 ——新移民融入新环境的四项基本原则</a>   这位老兄知道什么叫做融入。那位张元元就是“don't treat Singapore as home”。身为PR，要回去中国没有什么问题，不过为什么要那么煽情的非要突显自己Singapore PR的身份？如果真要那么洒狗血，干脆当着记者的面把那个蓝色身份证一刀两断不是更干脆？

2009-11-07T19:21:11+08:00

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Let me tell you about the ideology of LKY in term of social divide, not that he dun understand that disparity of social can cause a fragmentation which can lead to revoke and riots. Comparing singapore poors to poors of other country, they are not that poor yet, the ideology here is give them a house, a job to struggle with and a stable income, no one would harbour the sense of revoke, just complaining is normal. Thank for agreeing that the policies seem to be treating the populance like nothing more than worker bees. A job to struggle with? a stable income? maybe you should review your reply to rooney9. Complaining is normal. Deliberately making the people complain is another issue. Also given the flexibility of movement for the poor, most poor feel the inferior disadvantage, rich is banks or in the pants, who know you are rich on the street, a poor singaporean can visit shopping centre and luxurious places as he/she like, yet he/she lives beside the rich and also enjoyed the same facilities as them, more or less a bit different only, rich got club, poor got NTUC club, SCC, safra and CC clubs too, Rich go aircon supermarket, the poor also go NTUC fairprice aircon shopping, the rich go orchard the poor also can go orchard ION. But whatever the rich travel, spent, lives or tour is none of the poor business, there social divide can be deem as only monetary, freedom and status is still very much untouch, unlike the poor of other countries, some dun enuf food to eat, no shelter to live on, been exploit by the rich, cannot go to luxurious hotel or shopping, some cannot even enter airport and have to find food at rubbish dumb. Therefore if the question of when our poor will to start to revoke, i dun think so, LKY is a smart man, he makes the poors look normal and on par with the rich in term of social day to day life. An overly simplistic view IMO. Poor living beside the rich? maybe you would like to give your definition of whats rich and whats poor. There are more issues than this. Availability of healthcare, law etc. freedom and status? you must be delusional. When one is shackled by the burden of having to live from hand to mouth, much of the freedom is lost. In psychology, humans are bound to be anger and jealous by someone who is richer than them and yet exploited them, Mao, in red china, using already understand this concept, he used the rural northern ring poor farmers to start a rebel against Kuoming party, he knows how to exploit and condition  the poors heart and mind into his gain. That's brilliant. No doubt it is a different era today, but if some dude is able to preach and make realised their situation, things can happen, who knows? Nice word, exploited. =) When you talk about poor, what is poor, as long as someone is richer than you, you call yourself poor, logic or not? So, i think we have to really see what poor it before making assumption that we are poor. Poorer is the word, poor in comparison with another. Yes, we should really see what poor is in countries that are similar to sg. </div> </blockquote> <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> those girls are cheap in life, not in pocket, on a good day, they can make more than any CEO per day paid. Cost is definitely an employer concern, take yourself as a boss, what is the best, easiest and effective way to cut cost? with no doubt you have to agree it is labour cost. We are already an industrialised nation, from training to skill to knowledge to a global economy.  And we need FDI input to survive, as long as we can create jobs, we create it, but our population is aging and our people are getting lesser, how then can we support a vibrant global economy without foreign manpowers?With no doubts, no body wants intruder into their house, but what choice do you have if your house need a lot of work to be done and you are not capable of doing it with not only small amount of manpower but also aging manpower. The issue is never simply about foreigners working here. The issue is about the lack of safeguards for the locally-bred populance. And the "open the floodgates" policy towards immigration, thus increasing the supply of employees. driving down the wages and making an already employers' market even more pro-employer.I believe nobody would be against immigration if their position is not threatened. There are not many issues in the 1990s, only in recent years are people feeling threatened. And of course, after coming up to this stage of economy, there is no way we are going to go back to basic, if that happen, we are killing ourselves. We take foreigners in a view that he is helping our economy, working hand in hand to help our singapore. Having said all, do you think foreigner like to come here, they would had preferred to stay with their family in their own country, but because they get no opportunity there, by coming here is a sacrification, if they make money, so be it, if Asia goes up, would it be nice for Singapore too. Yeah yeah nice to read, good to say. If the economy can expand until there is an abundance of openings to be filled, your essay would hold true. Is that the case? Foreigners come here, sure got sacrifice, but if it doesnt work out, they can go home. Singaporeans, if crowded out of the market by these people with families in lower-cost-of-living countries, even if we jump sea also only can swim to sentosa, or sail to tekong to get shot? </div> </blockquote>

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Let me tell you about the ideology of LKY in term of social divide, not that he dun understand that disparity of social can cause a fragmentation which can lead to revoke and riots. Comparing singapore poors to poors of other country, they are not that poor yet, the ideology here is give them a house, a job to struggle with and a stable income, no one would harbour the sense of revoke, just complaining is normal. Thank for agreeing that the policies seem to be treating the populance like nothing more than worker bees. A job to struggle with? a stable income? maybe you should review your reply to rooney9. Complaining is normal. Deliberately making the people complain is another issue. Also given the flexibility of movement for the poor, most poor feel the inferior disadvantage, rich is banks or in the pants, who know you are rich on the street, a poor singaporean can visit shopping centre and luxurious places as he/she like, yet he/she lives beside the rich and also enjoyed the same facilities as them, more or less a bit different only, rich got club, poor got NTUC club, SCC, safra and CC clubs too, Rich go aircon supermarket, the poor also go NTUC fairprice aircon shopping, the rich go orchard the poor also can go orchard ION. But whatever the rich travel, spent, lives or tour is none of the poor business, there social divide can be deem as only monetary, freedom and status is still very much untouch, unlike the poor of other countries, some dun enuf food to eat, no shelter to live on, been exploit by the rich, cannot go to luxurious hotel or shopping, some cannot even enter airport and have to find food at rubbish dumb. Therefore if the question of when our poor will to start to revoke, i dun think so, LKY is a smart man, he makes the poors look normal and on par with the rich in term of social day to day life. An overly simplistic view IMO. Poor living beside the rich? maybe you would like to give your definition of whats rich and whats poor. There are more issues than this. Availability of healthcare, law etc. freedom and status? you must be delusional. When one is shackled by the burden of having to live from hand to mouth, much of the freedom is lost. In psychology, humans are bound to be anger and jealous by someone who is richer than them and yet exploited them, Mao, in red china, using already understand this concept, he used the rural northern ring poor farmers to start a rebel against Kuoming party, he knows how to exploit and condition  the poors heart and mind into his gain. That's brilliant. No doubt it is a different era today, but if some dude is able to preach and make realised their situation, things can happen, who knows? Nice word, exploited. =) When you talk about poor, what is poor, as long as someone is richer than you, you call yourself poor, logic or not? So, i think we have to really see what poor it before making assumption that we are poor. Poorer is the word, poor in comparison with another. Yes, we should really see what poor is in countries that are similar to sg. </div> </blockquote> <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> those girls are cheap in life, not in pocket, on a good day, they can make more than any CEO per day paid. Cost is definitely an employer concern, take yourself as a boss, what is the best, easiest and effective way to cut cost? with no doubt you have to agree it is labour cost. We are already an industrialised nation, from training to skill to knowledge to a global economy.  And we need FDI input to survive, as long as we can create jobs, we create it, but our population is aging and our people are getting lesser, how then can we support a vibrant global economy without foreign manpowers?With no doubts, no body wants intruder into their house, but what choice do you have if your house need a lot of work to be done and you are not capable of doing it with not only small amount of manpower but also aging manpower. The issue is never simply about foreigners working here. The issue is about the lack of safeguards for the locally-bred populance. And the "open the floodgates" policy towards immigration, thus increasing the supply of employees. driving down the wages and making an already employers' market even more pro-employer.I believe nobody would be against immigration if their position is not threatened. There are not many issues in the 1990s, only in recent years are people feeling threatened. And of course, after coming up to this stage of economy, there is no way we are going to go back to basic, if that happen, we are killing ourselves. We take foreigners in a view that he is helping our economy, working hand in hand to help our singapore. Having said all, do you think foreigner like to come here, they would had preferred to stay with their family in their own country, but because they get no opportunity there, by coming here is a sacrification, if they make money, so be it, if Asia goes up, would it be nice for Singapore too. Yeah yeah nice to read, good to say. If the economy can expand until there is an abundance of openings to be filled, your essay would hold true. Is that the case? Foreigners come here, sure got sacrifice, but if it doesnt work out, they can go home. Singaporeans, if crowded out of the market by these people with families in lower-cost-of-living countries, even if we jump sea also only can swim to sentosa, or sail to tekong to get shot? </div> </blockquote>

2009-11-07T19:05:21+08:00

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2009-11-07T19:05:24+08:00

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> The Tunku was known to be a playboy, and the Communist was made into a boogie man for his own political convenience, when in truth he was totally uncomfortable with a Chinese majority population that is independent and lying next to his territory. He simply cannot tolerate a Chinese-majority Singapore to be independent like Cuba next to the USA - and with the possibility of the Chinese majority in Singapore making any attempt to align local politics with China. Were there "Communists" in Singapore in the 1950s - when the British ISD working under the instruction of the Colonial Office had already investigated all the key players and confirmed that none were "Communists", and had even stated that they were all "nationalists" with "leftist" political ideas. It will be interesting for a search to understand the political terminology used in giving labels to politicians as "Leftist" or "Rightist" or "Socialist" or "Communist" - and even a "Stalinist". There are clear distinctions between these political labels.   </div> </blockquote> There were definitely communists in Singapore then. My Granduncle was one. He is currently residing in Thailand. How big a role the communists played however, is not a matter that I possess the knowledge to comment.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> The Tunku was known to be a playboy, and the Communist was made into a boogie man for his own political convenience, when in truth he was totally uncomfortable with a Chinese majority population that is independent and lying next to his territory. He simply cannot tolerate a Chinese-majority Singapore to be independent like Cuba next to the USA - and with the possibility of the Chinese majority in Singapore making any attempt to align local politics with China. Were there "Communists" in Singapore in the 1950s - when the British ISD working under the instruction of the Colonial Office had already investigated all the key players and confirmed that none were "Communists", and had even stated that they were all "nationalists" with "leftist" political ideas. It will be interesting for a search to understand the political terminology used in giving labels to politicians as "Leftist" or "Rightist" or "Socialist" or "Communist" - and even a "Stalinist". There are clear distinctions between these political labels.   </div> </blockquote> There were definitely communists in Singapore then. My Granduncle was one. He is currently residing in Thailand. How big a role the communists played however, is not a matter that I possess the knowledge to comment.

2009-11-07T19:01:32+08:00

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2009-11-07T19:01:35+08:00

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1 Like to seek the advice of the forummers here is it possible to have a free market economy in a society with unbridled capitalism?

Like to seek the advice of the forummers here is it possible to have a free market economy in a society with unbridled capitalism?

2009-11-07T18:49:10+08:00

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2009-11-07T18:49:13+08:00

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> What does a Taiwanese 'hum' intend to mean by stating that - "ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all." ? Which deep hole in which sand bank has the "hum" been hibernating to believe that the Singapore ministers should be praised "for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all" ? If the worst recession has been evaded, is there any necessity for Lim Swee Say to make the "cheaper, better and faster" statement ? If the worst recession has been evaded - why are the Singapore unemployed continue to rise to 5 per cent that formed the other thread in this Speaker's Corner. It is clear that the Taiwanese "hum" is either incapable of reading news report, or it is here to deliberately spread false information in defense of the PAP Government, and simply to drive the thread off track again.     </div> </blockquote> You seem to enjoy humiliating people who dont agree with you, dont ya? Dont you think it is a shitty thing to do to people who have opinions of their own? Or have they no right to express it, you of your unconstitutional outlaw kind in the fashion of your leader's creed, without being slimed? Itsnt it a shitty thing to do?...oh...oops...i forgot... you are a piece of self admitted piece of turncoat turd. It's your nature, as proven by your numerous posts. G'day mate. Say hi to Australia for me, that's if, they have not yet found you foul smelling yet. Enjoy the returned dish.<img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt="biggrin.png" />

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Atobe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> What does a Taiwanese 'hum' intend to mean by stating that - "ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all." ? Which deep hole in which sand bank has the "hum" been hibernating to believe that the Singapore ministers should be praised "for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all" ? If the worst recession has been evaded, is there any necessity for Lim Swee Say to make the "cheaper, better and faster" statement ? If the worst recession has been evaded - why are the Singapore unemployed continue to rise to 5 per cent that formed the other thread in this Speaker's Corner. It is clear that the Taiwanese "hum" is either incapable of reading news report, or it is here to deliberately spread false information in defense of the PAP Government, and simply to drive the thread off track again.     </div> </blockquote> You seem to enjoy humiliating people who dont agree with you, dont ya? Dont you think it is a shitty thing to do to people who have opinions of their own? Or have they no right to express it, you of your unconstitutional outlaw kind in the fashion of your leader's creed, without being slimed? Itsnt it a shitty thing to do?...oh...oops...i forgot... you are a piece of self admitted piece of turncoat turd. It's your nature, as proven by your numerous posts. G'day mate. Say hi to Australia for me, that's if, they have not yet found you foul smelling yet. Enjoy the returned dish.<img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" />

2009-11-07T18:47:02+08:00

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2009-11-07T18:47:06+08:00

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Stevenson101:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Well now, for a moment there i thought this was a bad thing. </div> </blockquote> Can you be more specific with your remark ? What is the "this" in your statement which you had "thought this was a bad thing" ? It is dangerous for you to make statements that are unclear and can leave anyone to interprete it in any way.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Stevenson101:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Well now, for a moment there i thought this was a bad thing. </div> </blockquote> Can you be more specific with your remark ? What is the "this" in your statement which you had "thought this was a bad thing" ? It is dangerous for you to make statements that are unclear and can leave anyone to interprete it in any way.

2009-11-07T18:14:27+08:00

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2009-11-07T18:15:17+08:00

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2 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> they already said, economy is picking up..and civil servants paid is base on economy progression, instead you will expecting a paid increase for ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all. </div> </blockquote> What does a Taiwanese 'hum' intend to mean by stating that - "ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all." ? Which deep hole in which sand bank has the "hum" been hibernating to believe that the Singapore ministers should be praised "for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all" ? If the worst recession has been evaded, is there any necessity for Lim Swee Say to make the "cheaper, better and faster" statement ? If the worst recession has been evaded - why are the Singapore unemployed continue to rise to 5 per cent that formed the other thread in this Speaker's Corner. It is clear that the Taiwanese "hum" is either incapable of reading news report, or it is here to deliberately spread false information in defense of the PAP Government, and simply to drive the thread off track again.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> they already said, economy is picking up..and civil servants paid is base on economy progression, instead you will expecting a paid increase for ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all. </div> </blockquote> What does a Taiwanese 'hum' intend to mean by stating that - "ministers for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all." ? Which deep hole in which sand bank has the "hum" been hibernating to believe that the Singapore ministers should be praised "for a job well done in the ability to evade the worst recession of all" ? If the worst recession has been evaded, is there any necessity for Lim Swee Say to make the "cheaper, better and faster" statement ? If the worst recession has been evaded - why are the Singapore unemployed continue to rise to 5 per cent that formed the other thread in this Speaker's Corner. It is clear that the Taiwanese "hum" is either incapable of reading news report, or it is here to deliberately spread false information in defense of the PAP Government, and simply to drive the thread off track again.

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1 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Uncle, seems like you like to complicate things when actually it is very simple, wall of texts but not meaning in it, be simple ya. You have to agree with me that even our poor are having a better life than other countries, it is not that I did not travel around to see for myself, you also have to agree with me that in every country, there must be poor and rich, between the middle class, in most of the other countries, if you are poor, you become poorers, and hardly you get chance to be rich unless some miracle happens, but in Singapore, it is different, as long as you have the will, smart and merited, even if you are a youtiao seller's son, you can make it big, most of our rich here, are from poor, not the middle class alone. LKY had put it rightly when he said, if you got the ability, the shrew in business, the power to challenge, the will to learn and be educated, we want you, because we believe you can make it big...poor or rich is not a issue in Singapore which is base meritocracy. Our poors are definitely more fortunate than others, there get extensive helps and alway a roof on top of them, What i am trying to address here is that we can help the poor, but the poor must help themselves out of the ring, dun alway believe that you will get poorer or that govt make you poor, that is obviously lazyiness and lame excuses. A poor have to ask himself/herself, what have i done and what should i do next to stay up, or what should i do to help my next generation to be rich...and the legend continue. NO one, especially the our ancestor of Chinese and Indian came to Singapore in the early years as a rich man, all came with nothing, and it is only those who had a good foresight, a goal in life and hardworking to work toward it, bring about a rich decendents. </div> </blockquote>   Again, you have jumped into a thread without even understanding a single word of what this thread is all about - and what has been stated in my post. To reply to your deliberate effort to trivialise the thread with your irrelevant issues that you insist on debating will simply achieve your objective to derail every thread with your kind of flippant unthinking attitude. Read again the title of this thread, and what has been posted before you jump into this thread with your characteristic idiocy. It is imbecilic thinking to believe that Singapore's poor is better off then the poor in other countries. Period.

<blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> Uncle, seems like you like to complicate things when actually it is very simple, wall of texts but not meaning in it, be simple ya. You have to agree with me that even our poor are having a better life than other countries, it is not that I did not travel around to see for myself, you also have to agree with me that in every country, there must be poor and rich, between the middle class, in most of the other countries, if you are poor, you become poorers, and hardly you get chance to be rich unless some miracle happens, but in Singapore, it is different, as long as you have the will, smart and merited, even if you are a youtiao seller's son, you can make it big, most of our rich here, are from poor, not the middle class alone. LKY had put it rightly when he said, if you got the ability, the shrew in business, the power to challenge, the will to learn and be educated, we want you, because we believe you can make it big...poor or rich is not a issue in Singapore which is base meritocracy. Our poors are definitely more fortunate than others, there get extensive helps and alway a roof on top of them, What i am trying to address here is that we can help the poor, but the poor must help themselves out of the ring, dun alway believe that you will get poorer or that govt make you poor, that is obviously lazyiness and lame excuses. A poor have to ask himself/herself, what have i done and what should i do next to stay up, or what should i do to help my next generation to be rich...and the legend continue. NO one, especially the our ancestor of Chinese and Indian came to Singapore in the early years as a rich man, all came with nothing, and it is only those who had a good foresight, a goal in life and hardworking to work toward it, bring about a rich decendents. </div> </blockquote>   Again, you have jumped into a thread without even understanding a single word of what this thread is all about - and what has been stated in my post. To reply to your deliberate effort to trivialise the thread with your irrelevant issues that you insist on debating will simply achieve your objective to derail every thread with your kind of flippant unthinking attitude. Read again the title of this thread, and what has been posted before you jump into this thread with your characteristic idiocy. It is imbecilic thinking to believe that Singapore's poor is better off then the poor in other countries. Period.

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