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  • maurizio13's Avatar
    10,567 posts since Sep '06
    • Singapore ranks 79 in terms of Quality of Life Index 2008 according to International Living.

      Singapore falls behind countries like, Turkey, Jamaica, Tunisia, Albania, Seychelles, Honduras, Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bahamas, Barbados, Botswana, Paraguay, Macedonia, Cayman Islands, Taiwan, Grenada, Bolivia, Ukraine, Namibia, Antiquan & Barbuda, Cyprus (Greek), Moldova, Israel, Mauritius, Ireland, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Colombia, South Africa, Chile, Dominica, Belize, Romania, Latvia, South Korea, Andorra, Estonia, Slovakia, Brazil Croatia, UK, Monaco, Panama, Mexico, Ecuador, Poland, Greece, Slovenia, Czech Republic and Bulgaria.

       

      http://www.internationalliving.com/

      http://www.il-ireland.com/il/qofl2008/

       

      Edited by maurizio13 01 Jul `08, 6:00PM
  • robertteh's Avatar
    4,307 posts since Jul '04
    • So what does this indicate? Are we a first-world country? Is the government truly first class?

  • maurizio13's Avatar
    10,567 posts since Sep '06
    • Originally posted by robertteh:

      So what does this indicate? Are we a first-world country? Is the government truly first class?


      It only means that having a high GDP per Capita, Best Airport, Best Port, Best Minister, etc. does not necessarily translate to higher quality of life.

       

  • sunnytv's Avatar
    361 posts since Jan '05
  • zenden9's Avatar
    851 posts since Nov '03
  • maurizio13's Avatar
    10,567 posts since Sep '06
  • 16/f/lonely's Avatar
    2,854 posts since Apr '08
    • Originally posted by zenden9:

      It reflect a very stressful country. Why are we stressful and what causes it???


      Pri 4 streaming.Laughing

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,649 posts since Jan '03
  • kramnave's Avatar
    2,225 posts since Aug '07
  • Midlusionz's Avatar
    1,079 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by kramnave:

      Singaporeans should aim to migrate.

      Yup, totally agree.. Grab the chance when u got one.

  • will4's Avatar
    2,920 posts since Oct '05
    • Originally posted by Midlusionz:

      Yup, totally agree.. Grab the chance when u got one.


      It is sad to hear locals migrating to other countries. The other day, we went to visit a flat n the agent told us that the owener have migrated to Australia.

  • Midlusionz's Avatar
    1,079 posts since Mar '07
    • Well, actually i am happy for them .. Whole new living environment and such but then again there's not perfect place in this world just somewhere better.

  • youyayu's Avatar
    1,713 posts since Dec '07
  • charlize's Avatar
    7,450 posts since Mar '05
    • Singapore is one of the few places in the world where you are close to everybody.

      Taking the bus or MRT to school or to work will show you how close Singaporeans are with each other.

      Really. icon_lol.gif

       

       

       

       

  • robertteh's Avatar
    4,307 posts since Jul '04
    • Originally posted by robertteh:

      So what does this indicate? Are we a first-world country? Is the government truly first class?

      It would be interesting to see of the mean wages earned per capita how much in percentages were taken away by the government through direct and indirect taxes and fees and charges charged on basic services and the final disposable wage left for each citizen to spend on basic necessities like housing, transportation, medicare, utilities and food etc.

      No doubt such an analysis will be good to display in the rally in the next GE.

       

       

      Edited by robertteh 01 Jul `08, 7:34PM
  • skythewood's Avatar
    922 posts since Jul '07
    • The ratings for afghanistan is half that of singapore, with cost of living having full marks. But I am damn sure that they would value safety much more than cost of living. I think this is not a good way to rate countries though.

  • domonkassyu's Avatar
    1,007 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by robertteh:

      So what does this indicate? Are we a first-world country? Is the government truly first class?


      it only indicates the statistics govt has shown is a facade. nothing more to draw a false picture. 1st world country on the outside, nth more than a 3rd world in reality. selfish barbarians as leaders.

  • White lies
    Pitot's Avatar
    33,022 posts since Aug '05
  • maurizio13's Avatar
    10,567 posts since Sep '06
    • Originally posted by Pitot:

      subjective.

       

      i rather live here than many other countires listed above singapore.

       

      Subjective because it didn't produce a ranking to your liking?

      If this article was produced by organisations that are against Singapore, then perhaps they might have a reason to discredit Singapore. But this report was produced by International Living, they are related to travel and living, non political agenda.

      Have you stayed in any of the countries listed above Singapore for a long duration of time? If you haven't, then how do you know if it's better or worse than Singapore?

       

       

  • skythewood's Avatar
    922 posts since Jul '07
    • Actually, I don't really care where Singapore ranked... But I am more interested in the way they rank. Read about some maslow hierarchy of needs

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs 

      Basically, you will want to fill up the needs at the bottom before filling up those at the top, so you basically don't care about culture and arts unless you can fulfill your food and safety needs.

      Which is why arts and culture is a consider a good gauge of a country's wellbeing, as they actually have the luxury to care about them. Just imagine the importance the iraqis give to arts compare to safety.

      Think france deserved to be top in standard of living, with it's free and leisurely culture and relative shorter work hours. If you think of it that way, Singapore is somewhere in the middle, with it's stressful life in general.

  • Drastic Fantastic!
    Kuali Baba's Avatar
    16,426 posts since Nov '03
    • It'd be irresponsible not to post the link to what the editors wrote, so here it is:

      http://www.internationalliving.com/internal_components/further_resources/quality_of_life08

      You'll also see how they came up with the figures. Take note of what they say:

      "You’ll notice as you review this year’s Index that the places International Living normally recommends you think about living or retiring fall nowhere near the top in the final rankings.

      "Most of these details, when considered individually and out of context, are nearly meaningless.

      "But, just as a healthy gross domestic product and a lot of cell phones in circulation don’t necessarily translate to a good life, neither do an abundance of administrative red tape and restrictive systems for doing business necessarily mean a bad one.

      "What, then, does make for a good quality of life? You’ll have to answer the question for yourself, and, when you do, here’s what we suggest: Place a premium on the things that can’t be plugged into a spreadsheet. A country (or a city or a region) may make great sense on paper but appeal to you not at all when you visit. And vice versa."


      Read also "Our Western Bias" further down the page.

      In short, neither this nor DeerHunter's posted survey should be taken as definitive. Decide what is most important to you. Talk to people, visit the places you're interested in, expose yourself to their way of life, and decide for yourself.

      I know I won't be staying, I have my own reasons, and it isn't because we're the lowest-ranked developed nation in this publication's QoL index.

  • lionnoisy's Avatar
    3,795 posts since May '05
    • Hong Kong has been the freeest economy in the world for 10 years.

      U ask the graduate there.U will know the choice of jobs

      less than SG.

      Ranking cant put  foods on the table.

      The reality counts.

      Like other rankings,they use their yard stick to measure.

      Some SG pple will be happy that they find another good reason

      to leave.Congra!!


      45 75 60 39 42 78 53 100 39 58

      Cost of Living and economy each allocated max 15%,the rest each 10%.

      Cost of Living  45        

      Cost of Living (15% of the final ranking). This is a guide to how much it will cost you to live in a style comparable to—or better than—the standard of living you’re likely enjoying in the U.S. Our primary source in this category is the U.S. State Department’s Index of Overseas Living Costs, used to compute cost-of-living allowances for a Western-style of living in various countries. We also consider each country’s income tax rates.

      First world country of course not cheap.But our tax is very low

      in first world,even u take GST into acct.

          Leisure & Culture 75

      Culture and Leisure (10%). To calculate this score, we look at literacy rate, newspaper circulation per 1,000 people, primary and secondary school enrollment ratios, number of people per museum, and a subjective rating of the variety of cultural and recreational offerings.

      If u include patrons of 4 D,then it is ok. 

      Economy 60

      Economy (15%). We consider interest rates, GDP, GDP growth rate, GDP per capita, the inflation rate, and GNP per capita to determine each country’s Economy score.

       

      Besides,3.3 million of citizens and some 500,000 of PR,SG still

      can feed 900,000 Foreigners working here.And they still give so low!!

      They must forget SWF!!

      Environment..39

      Environment (10%). To figure a country’s score in this category, we look at population density per square kilometer, population growth rate, greenhouse emissions per capita, and the percentage of total land that is protected .

      How much land can we protect ?we only have 700km2.

      But they forget we can collect water in our soil to provide 50%

      for our needs.

      Freedom 42

      Freedom (10%). Freedom House’s 2007 survey is the main source for these scores, with an emphasis on a citizen’s political rights and civil liberties.

      They are very generous.Thanks.

      Health 78

      Health (10%). In this category, we look at calorie consumption as a percentage of daily requirements, the number of people per doctor, the number of hospital beds per 1,000 people, the percentage of the population with access to safe water, the infant mortality rate, life expectancy, and public health expenditure as a percentage of a country’s GDP.

      SG is the lowest in infant mortality rate in the whole world.

      Only half of Aussie!!

      Are they mean the higher % in GDP for public health the better?Rubbish.

      Infrastructure 53

      Infrastructure (10% ). To calculate a country’s Infrastructure score, we look at the length of railways, paved highways, and navigable waterways in each country, and equated these things to each country’s population and size. We also consider the number of airports, motor vehicles , telephones, Internet service providers, and cell phones per capita.

      If they calculate the passengers and goods throughput

      in relationship to population and land areas,they will give us 101 marks.

      Risk & Safety..100

      Safety and Risk (10%). For this category, we use the U.S. Department of State’s hardship Differentials and danger allowances, which are based on extraordinarily difficult, notably unhealthy, or dangerous living conditions.

      But not to some professional and I- want -to save-everyone blogger.

      Climate...39

      Climate (10%). When deciding on a score for each country’s climate, we look at its average annual rainfall and average temperature…and consider its risk for natural disasters.

      Ha.How many   places in the world without

      earthquake nor

      tsunami nor

      typhoon nor

      tornado nor

      floodings nor

      drought?

      and only get 39?

      Singapore is  one of the few!!

      Is the high rainfall/temperature a plus or minus?

      Final Score...58--Thanks.Very generous.

      Never mind the figurs.I just want to keep this one as No.1--

      SG is the lowest in infant mortality rate in the whole world.

      U can keep all the other 100 marks in the world .Oh Baby.

      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

       

       

      Edited by lionnoisy 01 Jul `08, 9:56PM
  • deathmaster's Avatar
    429 posts since Sep '07
    • Originally posted by skythewood:

      Actually, I don't really care where Singapore ranked... But I am more interested in the way they rank. Read about some maslow hierarchy of needs

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs 

      Basically, you will want to fill up the needs at the bottom before filling up those at the top, so you basically don't care about culture and arts unless you can fulfill your food and safety needs.

      Which is why arts and culture is a consider a good gauge of a country's wellbeing, as they actually have the luxury to care about them. Just imagine the importance the iraqis give to arts compare to safety.

      Think france deserved to be top in standard of living, with it's free and leisurely culture and relative shorter work hours. If you think of it that way, Singapore is somewhere in the middle, with it's stressful life in general.


      i guess the gahment focus more on the top than the bottom....

  • White lies
    Pitot's Avatar
    33,022 posts since Aug '05
    • Where else can i go out for late night suppers?

      Where else can i party till very late at night?

      Where else can i find the mixture of food that i like?

      Where else can i find such weather?

      Where else can i enjoy the local culture?

       

      You might find places that has one or 2 of the above points. But none with all.

      Thats why i say it is subjective.

       

      Money is not everything in life you know.

      We can pay and pay, and not like it, but there is just much more to life than grumbling about paying.

       

  • maurizio13's Avatar
    10,567 posts since Sep '06
    • Originally posted by deathmaster:


      i guess the gahment focus more on the top than the bottom....


      Those on the top are those that can afford to put money into Singapore; who are the poor?

      When you are poor, you don't mean anything to anyone.

      Without money, I doubt anyone can enjoy any of those basic necessities.

      Edited by maurizio13 02 Jul `08, 12:11AM
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