Lee Kuan Yew worked with the Japanese Kempeitai and later the British colonizers to suppress the non-Peranakan Chinese. That's why he has always been wary of non-Peranakan Chinese and could only entrust power to his own family members and his other Peranakan cronies...
Peranakan Singaporeans, what are your views on LKY as baba?
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Peranakan Singaporeans, what are your views on Lee Kuan Yew as baba?
Do you feel proud of him?
I have always admired my father for his dedication to Singapore, his determination to do what is right, his courage in standing up to foreigners who try to tell us how to run our country.
But my father was also the eldest son in a typical Peranakan family. He cannot even crack a soft-boiled egg - such things not being expected of men, especially eldest sons, in Peranakan families...http://hongjun.blogspot.com/2009/04/dr-lee-wei-ling
A significant category of Chinese, although one not listed in the census reports, were the Baba Chinese or Straits Chinese.
They were Chinese who after long residence in Southeast Asia spoke Malay or English as their first language, and whose culture contained elements from China, Southeast Asia, and sometimes Europe as well.
An indication of the size of the Baba Chinese community was provided by the 1980 census report that 9 percent of Chinese families spoke English at home. Stereotypically the Baba were the offspring of Chinese migrants and local women. In the nineteenth century, they tended to be wealthier and better educated than the mass of immigrants and to identify more with Singapore and Southeast Asia than with China.
In spite of their language, the Baba considered themselves Chinese, retained Chinese kinship patterns and religion, and even when speaking Malay used a distinct Baba dialect of Malay with many loan words from Hokkien.
Never a large proportion of Singapore's Chinese population, in the late nineteenth century they took advantage of opportunities for education in English and promoted themselves as loyal to Britain.
In Singapore, many Baba families spoke English as a first language and produced many of the leaders of Singapore's independent political movements, including Lee Kuan Yew.
Although the Baba, in a sense, provided the model for the current Singaporean who is fluent in English and considers Singapore as home, the community fragmented in the early twentieth century as Chinese nationalism spread.
After the 1920s its members gained no advantage, economic or political, from distinguishing themselves from the rest of the Chinese population and tended increasingly to become Chinese again, often learning to speak Chinese as adults. In the 1980s, Baba culture survived largely in the form of a well-known cuisine that mixed Chinese and Malay ingredients and in some families who continued to use English as the language of the home...
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+sg0044)
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I evy him for being able to build SG from a little red dot to a global economic, well developed country not being a Peranakan cause singapore is a multi religious country.
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Prominent Peranakans of Malaysia and Singapore include Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA) founder president Sir Tun Tan Cheng Lock, his son and ex-Finance Minister Tun Tan Siew Sin, former Penang Chief Ministers Tun Lim Chong Eu and Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon, Democratic Action Party (DAP) leader Lim Guan Eng, his father and former DAP leader Lim Kit Siang, Malaysian Cabinet Ministers Datuk Liow Tiong Lai and Datuk Ng Yen Yen, former Malaysian Cabinet Ministers Datuk Chua Jui Meng and Datuk Chua Soi Lek, Singaporean playwright Dick Lee, former Singaporean President Wee Kim Wee, Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien-Loong and his father, former Singaporean Prime Minister Sir Harry Lee Kuan Yew...http://malaysiana1.blogspot.com/2008/09/peranakan-chinese
Endangered species? For goodness sake, Lee Kuan Yew practically filled the entire cabinet with inbred Peranakans. For the last few decades in Singapore, the top positions in civil service, statutory boards, armed forces, GLCs have all along been going disproportionately to the Peranakans. That is one reason why Singapore has been run to the ground.
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---Max---, so you are baba like Harry Lee?
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lemme guess... you're attempting to further polarise Singapore with your pathetic attempts at sowing hatred amongst the various ethnic groups now?
is that your agenda?
anything that you can find, should and must be used against LKY?
i see you've gone so low that after hitting bedrock, you brought out the steam shovels..
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you're attempting to further polarise Singapore with your pathetic attempts at sowing hatred amongst the various ethnic groups now
No, I am asking Peranakan Singaporeans about their views on baba Harry Lee.
By the way, you baba?
Please don't make claims such as that as you know they are watching.
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Endangered species? For goodness sake, Lee Kuan Yew practically filled the entire cabinet with inbred Peranakans. For the last few decades in Singapore, the top positions in civil service, statutory boards, armed forces, GLCs have all along been going disproportionately to the Peranakans. That is one reason why Singapore has been run to the ground.
Lee Kuan Yew worked with the Japanese Kempeitai and later the British colonizers to suppress the non-Peranakan Chinese. That's why he has always been wary of non-Peranakan Chinese and could only entrust power to his own family members and his other Peranakan cronies...
The above guy has interesting comments on our government.
According to him our PAP regime has been dominated by Peranakans since independence.
That is very interesting and sheds a light on some very odd policies of PAP regime.
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Despite these economic misfortunes, the Peranakan community’s investment in English education and their empathy with the British were, once again, rewarded amply.
They continued to play a leading role in the public life of post-war Singapore. Their prominent representatives included Tan Chin Tuan, T W Ong, C C Tan , Sir Han Hoe Lim, Thio Chan Bee and Lim Yew Hock, the one-time Chief Minister of Singapore.
Even after Singapore attained its independence in 1965, those with Peranakan roots carried on their long and distinguished record of public service into the present time. Among the eminent personages are Dr Wee Kim Wee, Dr Goh Keng Swee, Dr Tony Tan and the late Dr Ee Peng Liang....
http://lampinfoo.com/2009/01/24/can-baba-culture-be-revived/
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Goh Keng Swee - The Complete Man
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Newly restored Baba House showcases a rich heritage
5 September 2008
OFFICIAL OPENING: (From left) NUS President (outgoing) Prof Shih Choon Fong; President of the Peranakan Association Mr Lee Kip Lee; Singapore President and NUS Chancellor Mr S R Nathan; Miss Agnes Tan; Chairman of National Research Foundation Dr Tony Tan; and Acting President Prof Tan Chorh Chuan.
MORE than 150 years old, the three-storey Baba House at 157 Neil Road will open its doors to the public from 15 Sept. Steeped in Peranakan culture, the House's first and second floors will give visitors a glimpse of the past -- while the third floor will feature more modern aspects of the culture.
Managed by the NUS Museum and the NUS Centre for the Arts, the House was officially opened (4 Sept) by Singapore President and NUS Chancellor, Mr S R Nathan. The two-day celebrations also saw VIPs which included Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr George Yeo as well as ambassadors and key leaders of regional Peranakan associations.
Restoration work on Baba House started in 2007. It is the first house of its kind to be featured as a restored heritage and architectural project under the supervision and consultation of Urban Redevelopment Authority and the School of Design and Environment of NUS. Some 60 to 70 per cent of the furniture in the house such as the ancestral shrine and two wedding beds belonged to the Wee family.
WELCOME: Baba House throws open its gates to the public from 15 Sept.
The plot was bought by Chinese shipping tycoon Wee Bin in 1860 and the previous owner of the house, Wee Lin, is a 6th-generation descendant of the Wee family. In 2005, Miss Agnes Tan, the last surviving daughter of the late Straits Chinese community leader Tan Cheng Lock, donated $4 million to NUS to acquire and restore the house to teach young people about Peranakan history, culture and architecture. Miss Tan's nephew, Mr Peter Lee, an art historian, writer and committee member of the Peranakan Association, is the honorary curator for Baba House.
Mr Lee Kip Lee, President of the Peranakan Association, said at the opening ceremony that the Baba House represents an "old and ongoing love affair" between the Peranakan community and NUS. "It also represents the idealism, vision and generosity of our forefathers, which Agnes Tan continues to express, and which we hope will remain to inspire not only our community, but all communities of Singapore," he said.
NUS President Prof Shih Choon Fong said the Baba House provides rich resources for the University's faculties and departments, including the School of Design and Environment, its Architectural Department, the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences, and the Southeast Asian Studies Programme. "These departments were also privileged to participate in the archaeological study as well as the restoration process led by the Urban Redevelopment Authority," he said.
Besides guided tours, visitors can also take part in lifestyle programmes such as Heritage Cuisine and the Book Circle. For more information and enquiries on Baba House, please email: [email protected] -
I never realised that the small Peranakan community in Singapore wielded so much power in Singapore.
I didn't learn that in school.
A lot of things becomes quite clear after this fact is known.
It all becomes clear.
It all becomes simplified.
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Ah Chia, though you appear to read or get your info fairly widely you don't seem to have an open mind. You're especially unable to see beyond the ethnic box. Why must one think and behave according to one's ethnic group? One should conduct oneself as a member of the whole humanity.
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Originally posted by pearlie27:
Ah Chia, though you appear to read or get your info fairly widely you don’t seem to have an open mind. You’re especially unable to see beyond the ethnic box.
Why must one think and behave according to one’s ethnic group? One should conduct oneself as a member of the whole humanity.
Reading more doesn't really do much when you've already decided what truth you want to believe.
And i think the point of his post is to imply that LKY cannot do that.
Much as i want to see PAP gone, i wonder how much better its successor can be when we cannot seem to see past LKY and the PAP.
Our leaders, after all are reflective of the society as a whole.
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<.....the point of his post is to imply that LKY cannot do that.> LKY cannot do what? i think what is more impt is that there should be checks and balances on the govt of the day and we as the people should also speak up so that the govt will do a proper job.
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You’re especially unable to see beyond the ethnic box.
It's not me who cannot see beyond the ethnic card.
It's the baba bastard.
By the way, are you baba?
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isnt baba human race ?
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isnt baba human race ?
So you baba like Harry?
But why Harry never say that he is baba in his memoirs?
Why hide?
Harry Lee Kuan Yew, you are a baba, no need to hide.
You should be proud of who you are, no need to hide okay?
And also no need to pretend that you are some true blue chinese lah.
Wear some chinese looking clothes think you chinese?
Cannot speak mandarin, cannot speak dialect, wear chinese clothes than become chinese?
Don't talk cock lah, baba is baba.
Hide hide hide, only know how to hide hide hide.
Play politics play until like that people also despise you one lah.
David Marshall got hide that he is jew?
He also never hide wah.
Jew so jew lah.
I am proud of him, he never hide.
He never wear chinese clothes than act like he is chinese.
Harry Lee Kuan Yew, why you want to wear chinese clothes, act like chinese and hide that you are baba?
Why?
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Promote your own colonial angmoh language, force us to learn angmoh, suppress the dialect, destroy chinese schools, weaken my culture, talk cock say what make races fair.
Connive with british to destroy the hokkien leader Lim Chin Siong.
baba in land of hokkiens, malays, Tamils, feel insecure, promote fellow babas.
Good.
All very good, Harry.
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Originally posted by pearlie27:
<.....the point of his post is to imply that LKY cannot do that.> LKY cannot do what? i think what is more impt is that there should be checks and balances on the govt of the day and we as the people should also speak up so that the govt will do a proper job.
Why must one think and behave according to one’s ethnic group? One should conduct oneself as a member of the whole humanity.
He's trying to imply LKY can't do this.
I'm not disagreeing with what you think is important. However, details are often the killer to whether what is considered a "proper" job.
But i'm going off topic. I'd just leave him to rant on.
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if you can't take the straights born chinese, you definitely can't take the immigrants. Perhaps TS is trying to imply the land belongs to the Austronesians.
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You are also very stubborn, insist on missing my point.
That is your choice.
Or maybe you are afraid to discuss?
Is there fear for you?
Do you feel fear?
Fear say fear, don't act blur with me.
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Chew Bakar, the people of your generation, did they discuss about Harry Lee being baba and suppression of dialects?
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baba black sheep have you any wool?
yes sir yes sir three bags full.
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We have a baba hater in the house.
The topic is now "Why the fuck Ah Chia hate Baba?"
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In case you dont know, the categorizing and labelizing of "baba" and "peranakan" is getting more and more quiant and irrelevant.