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• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:16

  we are pretty anti-china here. dunno why, just some people started the frenzy

• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:18

  Anyway, i dont support Singapore. It sucks. i prefer Africa to Singapore, u know how bad it is.

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:19

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  I have a question here:

  Anybody understand my topic in chinese?

  《中国网�愤怒了：新加�为什么总和中国过�去？》

  Need I translate it into English?

  Its nonesense for us to discuss or to blame each other here if we cannot totally understand the passage!

  It is petty for chinese netizen to get angry on this issue.

  1) Singapore is an independent country. She has her own interest

  2) LKY gave advice to both USA and China. Does USA get angry when he gave advice to China?

  Well.. it is fine if you want to treat Singapore as not one of your brothers but a friendly country. Singapore is an independent nation that earn a place in united nation. LKY answer to Singaporeans but not to China chinese.

   

   

• Huangxiangjiao

  4 Nov 09, 14:21

  yawn

• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:22

  Originally posted by ispyyy:

  It is petty for chinese netizen to get angry on this issue.

  1) Singapore is an independent country. She has her own interest

  2) LKY gave advice to both USA and China. Does USA get angry when he gave advice to China?

  Well.. it is fine if you want to treat Singapore as not one of your brothers but a friendly country. Singapore is an independent nation that earn a place in united nation. LKY answer to Singaporeans but not to China chinese.

   

   

  he lick shoe to get a place in united nation.
  I never say who ah i only say he

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:24

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  
  we chinese never thought sg as a part of China, never happened in the last, now or in the furture. we respect u as a independent country.

  But it is of great shocking for Chinese to know that sg is one of the most anti-china countries in this world. we didnt have much Interest Conflict and even some of u have the some race with Chinese. We can be friends but in fact its partly that China(especially china communist) regard sg as a friend while sg deem China as an enemy .

  Singapore never regard China as an enemy. We want to be their friend. We have trade with each other, share experience with each other... In fact, China is a valuable trading partner with Singapore. In Singapore, our leaders keep on remind us the growth and importance of China. But however, Singapore is only a red dot on the world map. Between two giants (USA and China), there is not much side for us to take. We could only hope to tap a bit of advantage from both side in order for us to survive. That is diplomacy.

   

   

• angel7030

  4 Nov 09, 14:24

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  
  we chinese never thought sg as a part of China, never happened in the last, now or in the furture. we respect u as a independent country.

  But it is of great shocking for Chinese to know that sg is one of the most anti-china countries in this world. we didnt have much Interest Conflict and even some of u have the some race with Chinese. We can be friends but in fact its partly that China(especially china communist) regard sg as a friend while sg deem China as an enemy .

  
  Oh,...my PRC gals here dun even know what is happening, they are still so friendly to singaporeans and me, how come you make so much noise?? And my niece at University was just offered an exchange programme under invitation of beijin U, so what is shock you are talking about.

  Anyway, if China Chinese dun like us, also good for Singapore, too many PRC around, should reduce them. Uncles and aunties will be very happy.

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:26

  Originally posted by Sgforum King:

  he lick shoe to get a place in united nation.
  I never say who ah i only say he

  
  

  Not really.

  From what I know, he got a kick in his butt to get a place in united nation.

   

• Chin Eng

  4 Nov 09, 14:27

  黄香蕉。。。。阿黄香蕉

  黄皮肤，�里�是白的。。。。

  真�笑。。。

• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:27

  Originally posted by ispyyy:

  Singapore never regard China as an enemy. We want to be their friend. We have trade with each other, share experience with each other... In fact, China is a valuable trading partner with Singapore. In Singapore, our leaders keep on remind us the growth and importance of China. But however, Singapore is only a red dot on the world map. Between two giants (USA and China), there is not much side for us to take. We could only hope to tap a bit of advantage from both side in order for us to survive. That is diplomacy.

   

   

  i tell u, the singaporeans here are against china workers. they see u look like chinaman they come to u and ask "ni shi zhong guo ren ma?" u say yes they wallop u big time ah. u say no they will say that china people keep on taking their job and on and on.

• angel7030

  4 Nov 09, 14:27

  Originally posted by ispyyy:

  It is petty for chinese netizen to get angry on this issue.

  1) Singapore is an independent country. She has her own interest

  2) LKY gave advice to both USA and China. Does USA get angry when he gave advice to China?

  Well.. it is fine if you want to treat Singapore as not one of your brothers but a friendly country. Singapore is an independent nation that earn a place in united nation. LKY answer to Singaporeans but not to China chinese.

   

   

  Well, as TS said, we are brothers and sisters, China Chinese is and same as Singapore Chinese, little problem only, make hell lots of noises. We, as singaporeans also do the same. Little bit problem or comment only, start to post like mad.

• angel7030

  4 Nov 09, 14:29

  Originally posted by Sgforum King:

  i tell u, the singaporeans here are against china workers. they see u look like chinaman they come to u and ask "ni shi zhong guo ren ma?" u say yes they wallop u big time ah. u say no they will say that china people keep on taking their job and on and on.

  
  huh?? u ok or not??

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:29

  Originally posted by Sgforum King:

  i tell u, the singaporeans here are against china workers. they see u look like chinaman they come to u and ask "ni shi zhong guo ren ma?" u say yes they wallop u big time ah. u say no they will say that china people keep on taking their job and on and on.

  
  tat is y our leader keep reminding us the importance and the growth of china.

   

• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:29

  angel7030 ah cannot think like that. ur sentence so long alr also cannot. must be short and say " we are all humans"

• angel7030

  4 Nov 09, 14:30

  Originally posted by Sgforum King:

  angel7030 ah cannot think like that. ur sentence so long alr also cannot. must be short and say " we are all humans"

  
  no lah, some peoples are not human ok,..worst than beast..

• Huangxiangjiao

  4 Nov 09, 14:30

  Originally posted by ispyyy:

   

  Singapore is an independent country. She has her own interest 

  Why do sgporean emphasize that sg is an independent country?

  It's a commonsense. And u need not repeat that again and again. It seems that sgporean lack of confidence.

   

  Originally posted by ispyyy:

   

  2) LKY gave advice to both USA and China. Does USA get angry when he gave advice to China? 

  Well. why dont u interpret this issue in the other aspect?

  LKY gave advice that cater to USA, anybody will get angry with a nice suggestion?

   

• Sgforum King

  4 Nov 09, 14:33

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  Why do sgporean emphasize that sg is an independent country?

  It's a commonsense. And u need not repeat that again and again. It seems that sgporean lack of confidence.

   

  Well. why dont u interpret this issue in the other aspect?

  LKY gave advice that cater to USA, anybody will get angry with a nice suggestion?

   

  LKY want do boot-licking ma. he kiasi like fuck.
  I dunno which LKY i saying ah i only say LKY. 

• Huangxiangjiao

  4 Nov 09, 14:37

  Originally posted by Chin Eng:

  黄香蕉。。。。阿黄香蕉

  黄皮肤，�里�是白的。。。。

  真�笑。。。

  
  well , that's why i named myself as" huangxiangjiao" here which means :"yellow banana"!

   

• Stevenson101

  4 Nov 09, 14:39

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

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• iceFatboy

  4 Nov 09, 14:41

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  Why do sgporean emphasize that sg is an independent country?

  It's a commonsense. And u need not repeat that again and again. It seems that sgporean lack of confidence.

   

  Well. why dont u interpret this issue in the other aspect?

  LKY gave advice that cater to USA, anybody will get angry with a nice suggestion?

   

  well, allow my two cents.

  Yes, we need to repeat Sg is an independent country, cause we want others to know, we stand on our own, and not influenced by others. Sadly, some may see it as a lack of confidence, but I think ispyyy is not going in that direction.

  Also, by saying we are independent, we do defend our rights, and as seen in Michael Fay's case, we do cane any who do wrong on our land, be it he is an american.

  As a little red dot, I don't think we are the ones who are the movers and shakers in the world like the super powers. Instead, we rely on these super powers to survive.

  Hence, your general remark "总和中国过�去？" is totally off the mark.

  Do you know how much we have invested in your country?  What's the trade numbers?

  Lastly, I think that you are too quick to jump the gun. Being the brillant central government, if there is anything that our leaders say to hurt our good relationship with mainland, they would have made an immediate counter, but till date, there is none.

  hence, let's no make mountain out of molehills. Peace.

• Chin Eng

  4 Nov 09, 14:42

  差点忘记。。。

  今晚我的�自�州的钟点女佣会�我家�打扫。一个�时���钱。

  中国人真好。

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:42

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  Why do sgporean emphasize that sg is an independent country?

  It's a commonsense. And u need not repeat that again and again. It seems that sgporean lack of confidence.

  Glad that that is understandable

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  Well. why dont u interpret this issue in the other aspect?

  LKY gave advice that cater to USA, anybody will get angry with a nice suggestion?

  Well... people have the right to get angry with that suggestion. LKY also have the right to give advice to USA.

  That is truely political which means end of the day, china leaders will still be friendly towards sg leaders and sg leaders will still be friendly towards china leaders. Ordinary life, like you and me will still go on. No point getting angry on this type of issue where there could be political agenda behind it.

   

• iceFatboy

  4 Nov 09, 14:42

  Originally posted by Stevenson101:

  我看你自己�清楚點, 我們的根是一樣 但畢竟還是��的國家 在利益上還是會有�� ��能一致. 你說中國決�會想稱霸 也�是因為有美國能牽制而已 �能擔�美國沒�了, 中國�會踢開我們?

  你說的�, 新加�的�榮就是因為能左�逢�. 我們是鼻屎�國 也�能�這樣生存 難�還�我們��事大國?

  我跟這個論壇上的人�一樣, �於中國強起來 我還是滿興奮的 以是�樣的根為自 豪. 但你還是�了解 新加��是中國的一個�. 中國強�一定新加�也能分到一份羹, 如果中國�大了 �用新加�了 難�我能跟你索�賠償嗎?

  中國�榮的, 也�是沿海的城市而已 內陸的�還是很貧困. 中國自己的地盤都還沒顧好 ��一個在��亞的�國 難�還�指望中國來�護嗎?

  �光耀能這樣說 也�是安撫下美國人而已 �是特�的釘�中國. 也�是特�的跟中國作� (你�為他敢擺明的這樣說,沒有事先跟中國官方�說好嗎? =3=a)

  這���是一場戲, 作給美國人看的. 新加�這麼多投資在中國, 你真的�為�光耀會明擺著跟中國�干?

  wisdom at last..

• ispyyy

  4 Nov 09, 14:44

  Originally posted by Stevenson101:

  我看你自己�清楚點, 我們的根是一樣 但畢竟還是��的國家 在利益上還是會有�� ��能一致. 你說中國決�會想稱霸也�是因為有美國能牽制而已 �能擔�美國沒�了, 中國�會踢開我們?

  你說的�, 新加�的�榮就是因為能左�逢�. 我們是鼻屎�國 也�能�這樣生存 難�還�我們��事大國?

  我跟這個論壇上的人�一樣, �於中國強起來 我還是滿興奮的 以是�樣的根為自 豪. 但你還是�了解 新加��是中國的一個�. 中國強�一定新加�也能分到一份羹, 如果中國�大了 �用新加�了 難�我能跟你索�賠償嗎?

  中國�榮的, 也�是沿海的城市而已 內陸的�還是很貧困. 中國自己的地盤都還沒顧好 ��一個在��亞的�國難�還�指望中國來�護嗎?

  �光耀能這樣說 也�是安撫下美國人而已 �是特�的釘�中國. 也�是特�的跟中國作� (你�為他敢擺明的這樣說,沒有事先跟中國官方�說好嗎? =3=a)

  這���是一場戲, 作給美國人看的. 新加�這麼多投資在中國, 你真的�為�光耀會明擺著跟中國�干?

  
  wa....

• Chin Eng

  4 Nov 09, 14:45

  Originally posted by Huangxiangjiao:

  
  well , that's why i named myself as" huangxiangjiao" here which means :"yellow banana"!

   

  
  你�知�黄香蕉的���？

  那你�是一�外表象中国人但�想象西方的伪��？