How does evil originated?
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one thing i noe is that the F=MA that we learnt in secondary school is actually not correct...why, i am not sure...someone who teaches science told me...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
last time u said 1 billion. now u said 2 billion. your figure is like everchanging.
ok time to show proof that there are 2 billion christians out there in the world? where did you get your source from?
Where's the evidence of me changing the figure? Answer me that!
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
u said it urself, cant deprove his existence, but neither can you prove his existence. existence is for christians to say so. but to non believers, prove it. so how do you reconcile this? how do you prove that god exists to non believers and to the world. if science ever said god exists in science journals, textbooks and mainstream newspaper and magazines, then god exists.
No. Because to prove there is no proof is also fail. Read the dinosaur thread.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
Yes it is against the laws of logic and his nature dont you think ? And this god will be full of loopholes. Read page 8 again. And if god really had control over you, wont you be like a robot ? Are you a thinking being ? and there comes free will.
but then faiths dun require logic and rationale. whether it is the truth is not the point. to them it is the truth and it is good enough for them already.
yes if we are his creations, all that we do and think and act are his bidding. where is the free will from. but if you are in their shoes, they think that god can insert free will and you have the will to choose and act. so logic lies somewhere between a rock and water.
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No again. Religion is not all about faith. It is about logic as well, in fact, it is the combination of the two that makes the ideal human. We all possess faith at some level, whether or not we can extend it to meet with logic, means that we are limiting ourselves and what we can do. The world may not need faith in God, but the world does need faith in itself, that people can have the faith that the person next to them won't kill them, that they can walk home safely at night, that so many other things that we do everyday can be done without us dying in the middle of it. We have faith in theories of science, because it allows us to build such wonderful machines but only because those that do make them have faith in the theory after using it time and time again.
Criticism of faith is unsound because we all possess it. Faith exists in two forms. The first which allows us to have faith in the things that are, and the second is faith in possibilities. They are one in the same, and yet only slightly different because one is from a closed heart, and the other is one with an open heart. -
then it depends on how u define the word 'faith'. like marriage...prove to me tat i wun get divorce before i get married. can we prove that? no, we cun...but so many ppl still get married and if they are in the rite mind, they wun marry wif the intention to divorce...but at the point of marriage, wheres their proof tat theyw un be divorced? Marriage requires faith, doesnt it?
its like prove to me God exist then i believe. wad abt prove to me i wun be divorced then i get married? do ppl do that before marrying?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Listen to me loony. i do not think you are stupid but what's my opinion when compared to that of 2 billion Christians out there.
why is there a need to bring in numbers? to support one's beliefs using figures is as if falling into the bandwagon fallacy
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Originally posted by TTFU:
No actually. For more info on science please read the dinosaur thread on the last page. Unless you want me to copy it over. Science up till today has not explained the creation of the universe. And it will never. And science has its own mistakes also just that you never heared of it.
I can tell you that science is and will be unable to explain the creation of universe. why is it so? how to one go back in time when the universe is born, but that is not the point.
how do u collate data when you are based on earth. you need to travel to the edges of universe to observe and record. is it possible for our science and technology now? science has its limitations, but it dispels a lot of myths our ancient ancestors was unable to.
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TTFU, kudos for wad u just said...very insightful...
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can i ask for a reply concerning the marriage example?
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
why is there a need to bring in numbers? to support one's beliefs using figures is as if falling into the bandwagon fallacy
because he believes in superiority in numbers and no 1 in the world. you can read my thread on number 1 though.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I can tell you that science is and will be unable to explain the creation of universe. why is it so? how to one go back in time when the universe is born, but that is not the point.
how do u collate data when you are based on earth. you need to travel to the edges of universe to observe and record. is it possible for our science and technology now? science has its limitations, but it dispels a lot of myths our ancient ancestors was unable to.
Like you said, i bolded the parts in your quote.I copied over from dinosaur thread. It comes back to Einstein's problem and that is point of reference. We are observers in limited to 4 dimensions no matter how you look at it.
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lol a couple married because they love one another and wants to start a family. whether faith comes into it, I am not sure, but I believe love is the reason why they want to get married. you use the wrong analogy to reinforce your beliefs dude.
as for divorce, its simple as they simply cant stand each other or that they simply dun love one another anymore and the like. so it can be said that, its 50-50 if you use betting as analogy whether the marriage is workable or result in divorce. gee someone need to use the right analogy better.
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Originally posted by despondent:
then it depends on how u define the word 'faith'. like marriage...prove to me tat i wun get divorce before i get married. can we prove that? no, we cun...but so many ppl still get married and if they are in the rite mind, they wun marry wif the intention to divorce...but at the point of marriage, wheres their proof tat theyw un be divorced? Marriage requires faith, doesnt it?
its like prove to me God exist then i believe. wad abt prove to me i wun be divorced then i get married? do ppl do that before marrying?
Its again logic and faith. I'll explain more. What you call a logic is actually a faith in reasoning. How are theories proven? by having a faith that they work and trying to find the way around it.
Humans are born ignorant for a reason, and that is to develop this faith through reptitious behavior. When did the shadow in the dark become a person? The more logical we become, the more this dilemma changes. Walking home in the evening we see a shadow, and at some point we may fear that the shadow is a person lying in wait for us. If logic is to point to the dangers of life, then faith is to point towards the beauty of life.
As I said it is the one of open heart versus closed heart. Closed because fear of humans will eventually erode all other feelings towards friends, open because you continue to believe in the people around you. -
sorry, its the correct analogy cos christianirty focuses on love...even though u can argue tat chyristians fail to live tat out but the teachings is on love...50-50 means cannot be proven rite? its 50-50 abt God's existence too...its either He exists or He dun...yes, they cun stand each other so they divorce...but at the point of marriage, how do they noe the outcome? isnt it based on faith?
u didnt understand my qn at the end...prove God's existence then i believe. its like prove the outcome of the 50-50, then i will believe. if ppl can do that for marriage, taking the 50-50 gamble...why cun they do it for christianity or any other religion?
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Originally posted by Louis dave36:
some say its satan or the devil. but it's convenient to lay the blame on satan,who rebelled against god. but then if god creation is perfect, how come satan, the angel lucifer originally, can rebel against god? doesnt god knows in advance that lucifer will rebel against him and if he knew in advance that he will be satan, then how come he doesnt do anything or why create him in the first place?
nice story to lay the blame on satan for man's evils.
No I blame you. You are evil ^^ -
actually TTFU wasnt asking an answer from u...but still it was a gd answer...
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i used the marriage example cos i see many parallels btw it and christianity...too bad, some ppl fail to see the parallels...
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Originally posted by despondent:
sorry, its the correct analogy cos christianirty focuses on love...even though u can argue tat chyristians fail to live tat out but the teachings is on love...50-50 means cannot be proven rite? its 50-50 abt God's existence too...its either He exists or He dun...yes, they cun stand each other so they divorce...but at the point of marriage, how do they noe the outcome? isnt it based on faith?
u didnt understand my qn at the end...prove God's existence then i believe. its like prove the outcome of the 50-50, then i will believe. if ppl can do that for marriage, taking the 50-50 gamble...why cun they do it for christianity or any other religion?
I shall not reply to to your weak analogy used and illogic reasoning here. good luck.
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realli? to each his own then. i wonder how many ppl will tinkk like u tat its a weak analogy and illogical. TTFU?
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btw, wad do u have to say abt the link i sent u? are u going to tell me its bogus and dubious?
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Originally posted by despondent:
sorry, its the correct analogy cos christianirty focuses on love...even though u can argue tat chyristians fail to live tat out but the teachings is on love...50-50 means cannot be proven rite? its 50-50 abt God's existence too...its either He exists or He dun...yes, they cun stand each other so they divorce...but at the point of marriage, how do they noe the outcome? isnt it based on faith?
u didnt understand my qn at the end...prove God's existence then i believe. its like prove the outcome of the 50-50, then i will believe. if ppl can do that for marriage, taking the 50-50 gamble...why cun they do it for christianity or any other religion?
For mariage, Actually i think its faith, you need faith for a marriage to go for it. Of course there lies the ugly thing of divorce.
For god, proofs...... a proof that there are no proofs ? hmm let me check...
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faith? then why some girls married an incorrigible guys who does not work, is a drug addict, gamble etc etc? dun tell me these girls have faith that the marriage will work out fine in future? so what made them want to marry these incorrigible guys? so faith made them want to marry them, I see. she must have lots of faith that the guy will go out to bring food to the table, rid himself of drugs and stop gambling.
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ok, so u have affirmed that faith is needed in life. but marrying without proof whether u will be divorced...isnt it sth close to blind faith? if u want to tell me its due to love, then it becomes parallel to christianity...wad if ppl became christians for the same reason why they get married? which is due to experiencing love from somebody? in marriage, its called ur husband/wife...in christianity, this someone is God?
i shall not try to prove tat God is loving though cos we all know that love is subjective...
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then tats wad we call blind faith lor which u guys call stupidity wad...we christians are stupid enuff to believe in a God that cannot be proven mah...no logical proof mah...