Originally posted by despondent:i used the marriage example cos i see many parallels btw it and christianity...too bad, some ppl fail to see the parallels...
if going into a marriage = accepting christianity,
then
divorce = denouncing christianity
Originally posted by Rooney9:faith? then why some girls married an incorrigible guys who does not work, is a drug addict, gamble etc etc? dun tell me these girls have faith that the marriage will work out fine in future? so what made them want to marry these incorrigible guys? so faith made them want to marry them, I see. she must have lots of faith that the guy will go out to bring food to the table, rid himself of drugs and stop gambling.
Faith towards love ? faith that she can change him ?
and in case u dunno...experts have taught that women have the tendency to tink that they can change their men wif their love...so tat explains why they make seemingly bad choices of marrying so-called incorrigible men...if there is one thing greater than faith, its love...
Originally posted by despondent:ok, so u have affirmed that faith is needed in life. but marrying without proof whether u will be divorced...isnt it sth close to blind faith? if u want to tell me its due to love, then it becomes parallel to christianity...wad if ppl became christians for the same reason why they get married? which is due to experiencing love from somebody? in marriage, its called ur husband/wife...in christianity, this someone is God?
i shall not try to prove tat God is loving though cos we all know that love is subjective...
Yes we all have faith in some sort of degree. Faith in that your computer will not blow up this second killing you. And logic too, but its not 100% just like you cannot have logic 100%. I believe blind faith = ignorance. Since you have a choice. Action speaks louder than words
to banguizai
i agree wif u...but tat doesnt speak anything against the analogy...
What you mean going into marriage = accepting christianity
not trying to speak anything against. dun think too much. i just pointed out what i see.
TTFU, going into marriage = accepting christ is despondent analogy la
I think its different love ? Love in marriage contains lust.
we marry rightfully cos of love...likewise, we enter christianity cos we experienced God's love..do we enter christianity cos its proven in theory that God exist? usually not. its becos we experienced His love and from there we noe tat he exist and he is a good God who loves us. so thats the parallel. why do ppl not enter christianity...mainly cos they have not experienced His love...
tats onli cos love in marriage is btw 2 imperfect human beings. but the idea here is marriage happens based on love and not proof. at least not the kind of proof we are toking abt here.
and if we can trust in marriage that is caused by imperfect love, can we fault christians who despite persecutions and trials keep faith with God from whom they experienced perfect love? to others, God may be not loving...but to such christians, it doesnt matter wad others tink...cos they experienced a kind of love that no human can give...again, love is subjective...
Originally posted by despondent:we marry rightfully cos of love...likewise, we enter christianity cos we experienced God's love..do we enter christianity cos its proven in theory that God exist? usually not. its becos we experienced His love and from there we noe tat he exist and he is a good God who loves us. so thats the parallel. why do ppl not enter christianity...mainly cos they have not experienced His love...
You make it sounds simple when it's not.
Why do ppl not enter Islam? Why do ppl not enter Judaism? Why Christianity when these three religions all worship the same God?
And there are many other reasons why one enter your religion, yours is just one of them.
Originally posted by despondent:and if we can trust in marriage that is caused by imperfect love, can we fault christians who despite persecutions and trials keep faith with God from whom they experienced perfect love? to others, God may be not loving...but to such christians, it doesnt matter wad others tink...cos they experienced a kind of love that no human can give...again, love is subjective...
As for your questions hmm i thik 24/7 can have better answers. But its a belief. Belief needs no answers
basically if you are borned deformed and intellectual disability, then its too bad, because its god will. you are his creations, so no choice but to accept this fact and besides there is nothing you can do about it, because if he didnt create you, you wouldnt have existed. so fairness and equity do not go hand in hand in their religion.
question, who would rather be in existence when one is borned deformed. I rather god did not create me to live in this unhappy and wretched world. but suck it because its god plans for you. you are created like this to illustrate his kindness, mercy, compassion and above all, omnipotent and omiscience. you exists because god wants people to know there is a spectrum of extremes of right and wrong, good and bad, rich and poor and the like.
Originally posted by Rooney9:basically if you are borned deformed and intellectual disability, then its too bad, because its god will. you are his creations, so no choice but to accept this fact and besides there is nothing you can do about it, because if he didnt create you, you wouldnt have existed. so fairness and equity do not go hand in hand in their religion.
question, who would rather be in existence when one is borned deformed. I rather god did not create me to live in this unhappy and wretched world. but suck it because its god plans for you. you are created like this to illustrate his kindness, mercy, compassion and above all, omnipotent and omiscience. you exists because god wants people to know there is a spectrum of extremes of right and wrong, good and bad, rich and poor and the like.
I'll leave your questions to tomorrow someone else explains.
this is no questions. this is my opinion on the religion.
I hope people are reading on this especially gogomuck
to Royfang,
which of those religions teaches salvation by grace because of love from God? other than messianic jews who believed jesus did come down once before, the other religions u listed teach that salvation(which is to go heaven) is by good works. in fact, if u read up on Islam, Allah has 99 other attributes but love is not one of them. yes, he loves...but he onli loves those who follow and obey Him...so are u sure its the same God? judaism is also based on good works cos they believed jesus hasnt come down yet so salvation is by good works, not grace. unless u are like brey who is a messianic jew...
if every religion interpret the truth according to their faith, the world is a messy place to live in with so many conflicting faiths against one another.I have to quote from a learned english man, what he said is true.
" You have to bend the faith to meet the facts or truth " and not vice versa.
so what is the truth? the truth is one I can see, like the sun and moon for instance. these are undeniable facts.
Maybe to you they are undeniable facts. They need to be material and seen with the naked eye.
I prefer truth to be like gravity. Its existence is absolute irregardless of ones thoughts. There in time memorial.
Originally posted by despondent:fairyfairy...
if there isnt comaprison btw at least 2 things, how can we have inequality? we learn in maths this thing called equation...let me ask u, in an equation, u need the left side and rite side...in other words, can sufferings exist alone without blessings? how would u noe sth is negative if there is nth positive to compare it wif? for inequality to exist, there must be comparison wif sth else...same as why do we say humans are imperfect? its cos we have knowledge of wad perfection is...if not, wad is imperfection?
You are playing with words (normal and abnormal) and have forgotten the physical sufferings that being abnormal have to go through. To you is just a word "abnormal".
Let's assume everybody is abnormal and have to suffer. Will you question why we have to suffer ? Even if there is no normal people to compare, we will still question why we have to suffer.
Originally posted by despondent:to Royfang,
which of those religions teaches salvation by grace because of love from God? other than messianic jews who believed jesus did come down once before, the other religions u listed teach that salvation(which is to go heaven) is by good works. in fact, if u read up on Islam, Allah has 99 other attributes but love is not one of them. yes, he loves...but he onli loves those who follow and obey Him...so are u sure its the same God? judaism is also based on good works cos they believed jesus hasnt come down yet so salvation is by good works, not grace. unless u are like brey who is a messianic jew...
Funny that you said that he loves those who follow and obey him but also said love is not one of his attributes.
Can I say a person who is kind to his own race isn't kind at all?
Actually love is one of his attributes as I had researched.
Nvm, I respect your views on the three Abrahamic religions although I see them as worshipping the same God.
Originally posted by BanguIzai:why is there a need to bring in numbers? to support one's beliefs using figures is as if falling into the bandwagon fallacy
I don't believe people simply climb on the bandwagon because Christianity has the largest adherents in the world.
to pinknutri...
u obviously dun understand wad i am saying...u ask wad if we are all born abnormal...can we all be born abnormal without knowing wads normal? can u know the feelings of sufferings without knowing the feelings of joy, happiness and blessings?
until now, nobody has answered me on this...sufferings, blame God...ok, valid...blessings, who/what do we thank? remember without the existence of sufferings, one wun noe wads blessings/no sufferings...
to RoyFang
Allah only loves those who follow and obey Him as compared to the christian God who loves all including those who dun follow and obey Him...u can choose to say the christian God doesnt love all...but i am juz going according to wad is taught in christianity...
u said u read tat Allah loves all ppl? strange then...cos i read in a book tat gies information abt all major religions that Allah onli loves those who follow and obey Him...which means selective love...and that book said that love is not one of his 99 attributes...now i wonder...which source gave the rite info...urs or mine?