Originally posted by Rooney9:if god is omniscient and omnipotent, then how come his creations like lucifer turn out to be so bad and evil? see the paradox here?
You can name the statement of yours as 'Loony9's Paradox'. Where is the irony?
Free will means the power to choose for or against something.
Lucifer had the choice to remain loyal to God, or to rebel against Him.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:
i have heard too many times people saying whatever we do is god's will, like serving in the church etc. anyway i don't argue with you on this. you answer me this question : isn't god knows everything before hand and can predict many things ?
What is there for a God to predict when He knows everything?
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:because you all come from the same "school", taught by the same "teacher". i'm being very courteous, didn't i ?
This is taught from a different school:
"While looking back at your parents can help you unravel much of your being, looking ahead at your children can engage you in a fascinating journey of ending negative karmas for yourself and your child.
Have you not often wondered why some people have deformed, disabled and difficult children. Children who turn into addicts, murderers, terrorists and some who even die young of terrible diseases.
Everyone’s heart goes out to the parents because we know that there is no suffering like that borne at the hands of your children. That is true only because the child comes as the karma that you must face. This fact is indelible!"
Mary has a little lamb , little lamb, little lamb. Mary has a little lamb, its fur is white as snow.
Originally posted by googoomuck:What is there for a God to predict when He knows everything?
Did you read my post about God not being omnipotent ?
its hypocritical to say what to know what imperfections is like when you are not borned with any of the deformity or intellectual disability. yes this has nothing to do with god as it has to do with genetics. so the myth that god created us is nothing but a hogwash, truth be told.
Originally posted by Rooney9:its hypocritical to say what to know what imperfections is like when you are not borned with any of the deformity or intellectual disability. yes this has nothing to do with god as it has to do with genetics. so the myth that god created us is nothing but a hogwash, truth be told.
Maybe you can try to explain who created humans, society label them as imperfections like what page 6 said.
Originally posted by googoomuck:What is there for a God to predict when He knows everything?
you are making things worse by saying he knows everything. if that is the case, i have one thousand and one questions to ask. anyway i'm too lazy to ask and i know no one on earth knows the answers because there is no logical answers to these questions.
Originally posted by googoomuck:This is taught from a different school:
"While looking back at your parents can help you unravel much of your being, looking ahead at your children can engage you in a fascinating journey of ending negative karmas for yourself and your child.
Have you not often wondered why some people have deformed, disabled and difficult children. Children who turn into addicts, murderers, terrorists and some who even die young of terrible diseases.
Everyone’s heart goes out to the parents because we know that there is no suffering like that borne at the hands of your children. That is true only because the child comes as the karma that you must face. This fact is indelible!"
according to this school of thoughts, karma can be changed in this life if a person folllows what is being taught by the founder. i understand that is the main aim of the school's teachings.
evil originated from religion.
Originally posted by hasene:Mary has a little lamb , little lamb, little lamb. Mary has a little lamb, its fur is white as snow.
brainwash time!!!
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:you are making things worse by saying he knows everything. if that is the case, i have one thousand and one questions to ask. anyway i'm too lazy to ask and i know no one on earth knows the answers because there is no logical answers to these questions.
Like i said, it is their belief. Its a way of belief. Sometimes there is no need for answers and there is no answers, if there is a answer, people will not be debating so many thousand years on religion.
Originally posted by TTFU:Did you read my post about God not being omnipotent ?
No.
Originally posted by googoomuck:No.
God may be omnipotent
and omnipresent, but in no way is he an illogical being. You cannot
be omnipotent if you create beings of free will, because if you do,
then you do not grant true free will among your creations.
The easiest way to see this is if you had a child, in all possible
circumstances YOU MAY guide your child to grow up in a certain
fashion, directing your child's thought process, but in the process
you are constantly interfering with the child's own ability to
decide on his or her own. Why do you think it is always taboo in
all those movies about God about the infringement of free will? If
God wanted to create creatures of free will, then he can no longer
truly remain as omnipotent as he once was, he gave part of that up
the moment he created humans.
People who say God is omnipotent and omnipresent do not clearly
think about all the contradictions that rise with it and then we
come into a full circle argument of how God is full of holes, when
in fact the original statement is the one full of holes because
most people can't see why he gave humans free will in the first
place
Originally posted by googoomuck:You can name the statement of yours as 'Loony9's Paradox'. Where is the irony?
Free will means the power to choose for or against something.
Lucifer had the choice to remain loyal to God, or to rebel against Him.
is that your explanation or god's explanation? till date god has not replied to the many questions shoot at him.
are you god? if not, why are you answering on his behalf? is your reply even worthy of god?
Originally posted by Rooney9:is that your explanation or god's explanation? till date god has not replied to the many questions shoot at him.
are you god? if not, why are you answering on his behalf? is your reply even worthy of god?
That is what we called belief and not truth.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
That is what we called belief and not truth.
yes unsubstantiated beliefs spanning 2010 years old.
Originally posted by despondent:but if there are not those who are normal, how would we know whats deformed? If there are not those who are deformed, how would we know whats normal? we question why some people are born deformed simply cos we alredi have the knowledge of what is not deformed. Where did tat knowledge originate from? what then is perfection if we know not imperfection? and what is perfection if we know not what is imperfection?
you can go on and on and on and on, on the whats normal, abnormal, perfect or imperfect, but you dun reply to the question asked!!! a good way to deflect the question and give a beat about the bush answers, but this isnt what is asked.
Originally posted by Rooney9:you can go on and on and on and on, on the whats normal, abnormal, perfect or imperfect, but you dun reply to the question asked!!! a good way to deflect the question and give a beat about the bush answers, but this isnt what is asked.
Actually he already did explain. Society label them as abnormal.
Originally posted by Rooney9:yes unsubstantiated beliefs spanning 2010 years old.
And as for the bible being written 2000 years ago, it predates a lot farther than that, when Judaism was still a tribal society and it was used as a sort of lawbook then. The conception of the New Testament, specifically the Gospels, was written with no intent that a group of men were to become seers of the rest of humanity. That in itself is a misconception and stands in conflict with the reasoning and teaching that is provided in the Bible.
Originally posted by TTFU:Actually he already did explain. Society label them as abnormal.
thats not the question asked. the question is why god creations are not fair, why some are borned deformed, intellectual disability, some are born a genius, intelligent and some born with some inherent sickness?
well they are abnormal, all thanks to works of god isnt it. god is omnipotent, but unable to create all beautify and intelligent babies?
Originally posted by Rooney9:thats not the question asked. the question is why god creations are not fair, why some are borned deformed, intellectual disability, some are born a genius, intelligent and some born with some inherent sickness?
well they are abnormal, all thanks to works of god isnt it. god is omnipotent, but unable to create all beautify and intelligent babies?
That is because people have their own scale of fairness. What is fair and what is not fair.
Originally posted by TTFU:That is because people have their own scale of fairness. What is fair and what is not fair.
convenient for you to say so, cause you are not borned deformed or intellectual impaired. if you are, wonder what you will be thinking now I supposed.
of course being borned deformed is due to the complexities of genetics, so all this god creations talk is hogwash isnt it.
Originally posted by Rooney9:convenient for you to say so, cause you are not borned deformed or intellectual impaired. if you are, wonder what you will be thinking now I supposed.
of course being borned deformed is due to the complexities of genetics, so all this god creations talk is hogwash isnt it.
I think you already lost it. And what i said links back to what despondent said about 10 fingers 11 fingers and what is abnormal and not abnormal. You fail to realise that it is people/humans that classify these.
Originally posted by TTFU:I think you already lost it. And what i said links back to what despondent said about 10 fingers 11 fingers and what is abnormal and not abnormal. You fail to realise that it is people/humans that classify these.
I really have to hand it to you really. you actually bother to read what rubbish he sprouted.