Below is a confession by an ex- city harvest member.
i really sympathise with him but at least he woke up.
Do contribute if you have other stories on the inner workings of city harvest
idkelvin wrote:
no matter wad everyone here said, there will always be fresh blood for CHC. i been there at around 13 yrs old.. and was completely drained by 15. and best part is after i left, all the "brothers and sisters" that you knew would delete your number and forget who the heck are you. they can give u free tuition and everything when u are inside. and once you are out. they wun remember your name.
they work systematically.. everyone go in as fresh blood.. then work ur wae up to usher that you have to dress up every weekend like a waiter.. then to cell group leader and dress up even more like a property agent or inssurance agent.. and work ur wae up to executive.. of coz.. all these are non paying job.. and u have to pay them.. more commitment for you as well.. i not sure if it work the same for all other church.. but this is the first i been to.. and im sick of it enuff already.. most of the teaching are about giving money and u will get wad u wan for return.. or bring ur family and friend.. and make u commit to bringing at least 1 or 2 friends nexk week. dun worri, the senior will help you do the "PR" and "close the sales" and ensure "repeat sales" for you. of coz once their cell group get too big, they will be promote as well.. like division manager lor..
i even heard from friends that they are urge to buy Sun Ho new cd.. when launch, i gt a friend that actually bough 20 cd and give out. i ask him why buy so much he said he is supporting his church.. im sad to hear such things.. she even perform in the church or during events.. i wonder wad happen to the ten
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me."
"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name."
i wonder do they really read their bible or do they understand wad the church is teaching and promoting.
you are giving but you are getting more stress to find mre people to give in return.. please do not harm your family and friends if you love them.
Hi, I am an ex-city harvest too and totally agree with you. Ruined my teen life
I'm an ex-city harvester too, But only come to cell group these days.
Offering is very common, even in outings, A few weeks back also 'offering', even though no CG, Just a BBQ outing, people give (offering) like asif they are rich though.
By the way, where did your sources came from? And I wonder what will be their response if I ask them point-blank straight at their face how would they feel if PK gets thrown into jail though.
Maybe I not fit to tell what happening since I am one, but I will give you what I have seen.
Indeed, once you don't come CG and service, and "backslide" for whatever reason, they will forget you, even if you are part of the cell. Occurs to someone I know that was in my cell group. Some totally just FORGET him. Although megachurchs and their CG always like to evangelise (I don't really approve their method of evangelise, at least at least 90% I think), meeting lots of new friends is something we can't avoid. But then, to forget your ex-members? Although I belive is a small amount of people, as they only saw that person only in CG and service.
Sometimes, they like to preach about sowing and reaping (aka properity gospel to some). Keep sowing and you will keep reaping, using a farmer keep planting seeds and will keep sow the plants to explain. Sow $$$ by keep asking for tithe and offerings. That part don't affect me much, since my parents (being buddist) forbid me from tithing. Anyway, regarding tithing, the thing I hate to see my friends force to borrow $$$ so that they can eat during fellowship after service. Espically those not well off. Always like to say their blessing is from God in other form. But this just illustrate this (putting $$$ in the vending machine called "God" and wait and pray for the goods to drop out).
And serving the ministries (aka helping or working for them for free, whichever way), you indeed have to look presentable. I mean, at worship place that is have the "high class feeling", one will tend to wear nice nice, but really, God look at heart, not how pretty we are. Will wear sandles short pants and some random T-shirt (as long is presentable) if my CGL allow. Although serving ministeries is always optional, they will kinda guilt-trap you into doing it if you have lots of time. Kinda like you are suspose to be happy if you keep losing sleep just to serve. I currently not serving cause I simply don't have the time to do so.
Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:By the way, where did your sources came from? And I wonder what will be their response if I ask them point-blank straight at their face how would they feel if PK gets thrown into jail though.
I tried, and their respons are in short: I trust the leadership, he won't get be jailed.
Somehow is like English fail or just avoiding the topic of their own leader being jailed
So extreme????!!!! OMG!
Originally posted by Galaxnite:Hi, I am an ex-city harvest too and totally agree with you. Ruined my teen life
Guys like you should speak up so there will be no more teens being ruined. I've seen many youngsters at chc. After hearing from you guys, I pity them and their poor parents.
Originally posted by Galaxnite:Hi, I am an ex-city harvest too and totally agree with you. Ruined my teen life
Bad karma! Bad karma!
Like I always tell my friends, City harvest is a place for teens who are socially inapt and cannot make friends in school or outside.
City harvest is a community centre with expensive membership fees.
It is not a church.
aka
for looooosers
hahaha
actually the place is good for networking, anyone who wants to sell insurance should join them....i was told that the number 2 at new creaction church is in insurance sales...and doing very very ok...lol
Insurance sales... man
Originally posted by bored`:Like I always tell my friends, City harvest is a place for teens who are socially inapt and cannot make friends in school or outside.
Socially inept you can't place it that way, Because some have friends (outside this church)
Originally posted by bored`:Like I always tell my friends, City harvest is a place for teens who are socially inapt and cannot make friends in school or outside.
City harvest is a community centre with expensive membership fees.
It is not a church.
My frenz gt many frenz outside city harvest church and inside City harvest church.
Originally posted by ~PEPPER~:
My frenz gt many frenz outside city harvest church and inside City harvest church.
equally socially inept?
the more i hear about CHC, the more it sounds like it's some kind of MLM or insurance company.
Not forgetting Sun Ho's husband is the pastor... Jack Neo and Foyce ...
A great venue to get spotted... and become a future star... the star dream..
Originally posted by Junyang700:Not forgetting Sun Ho's husband is the pastor... Jack Neo and Foyce ...
A great venue to get spotted... and become a future star... the star dream..
My friend told me Elim Chew from chc (77th Street boss) is lately appointed one of the Media Corp board director.
Originally posted by dukedracula:actually the place is good for networking, anyone who wants to sell insurance should join them....i was told that the number 2 at new creaction church is in insurance sales...and doing very very ok...lol
This world is getting darker.
Originally posted by Dark_Zero:Maybe I not fit to tell what happening since I am one, but I will give you what I have seen.
Indeed, once you don't come CG and service, and "backslide" for whatever reason, they will forget you, even if you are part of the cell. Occurs to someone I know that was in my cell group. Some totally just FORGET him. Although megachurchs and their CG always like to evangelise (I don't really approve their method of evangelise, at least at least 90% I think), meeting lots of new friends is something we can't avoid. But then, to forget your ex-members? Although I belive is a small amount of people, as they only saw that person only in CG and service.
Sometimes, they like to preach about sowing and reaping (aka properity gospel to some). Keep sowing and you will keep reaping, using a farmer keep planting seeds and will keep sow the plants to explain. Sow $$$ by keep asking for tithe and offerings. That part don't affect me much, since my parents (being buddist) forbid me from tithing. Anyway, regarding tithing, the thing I hate to see my friends force to borrow $$$ so that they can eat during fellowship after service. Espically those not well off. Always like to say their blessing is from God in other form. But this just illustrate this (putting $$$ in the vending machine called "God" and wait and pray for the goods to drop out).
And serving the ministries (aka helping or working for them for free, whichever way), you indeed have to look presentable. I mean, at worship place that is have the "high class feeling", one will tend to wear nice nice, but really, God look at heart, not how pretty we are. Will wear sandles short pants and some random T-shirt (as long is presentable) if my CGL allow. Although serving ministeries is always optional, they will kinda guilt-trap you into doing it if you have lots of time. Kinda like you are suspose to be happy if you keep losing sleep just to serve. I currently not serving cause I simply don't have the time to do so.
i totally forgot alot of my pri sch, sec sch, poly, army fren leh....even those gals which i pet with or ram b4... i also cannot remember all of them now.... knn feel so bad... so mei liang xin de.. sighz.......but maybe that's life......... sighz...
Hi guys. I'm new here. I left chc too. But recently I am having difficulty staying out of chc because somehow there is the urge there to go back. I've been trying to fight it and I really do not want to get brainwashed like how i was 2 years back. Does anyone have any idea on what to do? I really need help desperately. And it really does not make sense to me why I have the urge to go back. Oh, and one more thing. If I were to hear any videos related to chc speaking in tongues my head will start to hurt. Its super weird and I'm really freaking out because I really do not know what is going on. Any kind of help is greatly appreciated.
Originally posted by eClaTineRine:Hi guys. I'm new here. I left chc too. But recently I am having difficulty staying out of chc because somehow there is the urge there to go back. I've been trying to fight it and I really do not want to get brainwashed like how i was 2 years back. Does anyone have any idea on what to do? I really need help desperately. And it really does not make sense to me why I have the urge to go back. Oh, and one more thing. If I were to hear any videos related to chc speaking in tongues my head will start to hurt. Its super weird and I'm really freaking out because I really do not know what is going on. Any kind of help is greatly appreciated.
Just think of the money that you have to come out with when you go to chc and how much money you can save by not going there. Your head hurts when you hear them speak in tongue, you have one more reason for not going there. Anything religious should give you a calming effect, if it is otherwise, something must be wrong.