ok for pastor to live a life of luxury?

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:06

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  
  ya very free will one... beside the % from montly salary they also donate "freely" every week.... then when u never donate anything... ppl will look at u .. and hint hint must give hor..

  donate 10 ok right. why need to donate 100 or even 1k. if you are a millionaire, I dun think he will give just 10, but probably 1k and above. if you are just average, give 5-10.

  I dunno got people give just $1 or not lol. they will say $1 is also money leh.

• Great Heavens!

  30 May 10, 01:07

  Originally posted by charlize:

   

  The main christian denominations consider priesthood/pastorship as a vocation.

   

  Something is wrong when suddenly words like "job, employees, income, investments, bunsinesses and royalties"  are used to describe religion.

   

  But I am not here to convert the misguided.

   

  Really.

   

   

   

  I did not use them to describe religion. I am just saying pastors are people who are able to do investments, start up businesses, gain royalties from books that they have written. 

  What term would you use for people working in a church? Whether is it employee, church staffs, church worker, I don't think it matters. 

  For salary, job.. you get what I mean. There's nothing wrong in using this terms for a church. :)

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:09

  All biases aside, whether one agrees with the preaching or not, you got to admit that they run it as a business.

   

  That is a fact.

   

   

• noahnoah

  30 May 10, 01:09

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  
  5k?? u mean small small church right?? our CEO of CHC sure knn 20k per mth one...

  
  20k!!

  where got so little!

• laurence82

  30 May 10, 01:10

  yes yes, its ok to live in a life of luxury, then soon its ok to murder, then its ok to rape

  all you dont believe in these, must be influenced by the infernal satan!

  

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 May 10, 01:14

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  yes yes, its ok to live in a life of luxury, then soon its ok to murder, then its ok to rape

  all you dont believe in these, must be influenced by the infernal satan!

  

  
  it's already happening what.. dun need to wait longer....all the young boy boy all kena already what

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:15

  why does pastors need to draw so much money from?

  actually 5k is considered a lot, considering their salary are from the hard earned money from devotees. 5k can live a comfortable lifestyle in singapore with a 5 room flat and a small car.

• noahnoah

  30 May 10, 01:17

  Originally posted by Rooney9:

  why does pastors need to draw so much money from?

  actually 5k is considered a lot, considering their salary are from the hard earned money from devotees. 5k can live a comfortable lifestyle in singapore with a 5 room flat and a small car.

  
  hello..

  5k cant get to stay in orchard road

  wear hugo boss suits..

  eat at nice exp places...

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:17

  This has been blogged, chatted, posted and talked about from the internet to the kopitiams.

   

  Supporters will find all sorts of reasons to support it while opponents will find all sorts of reasons to denounce it.

   

  Up to you what you want to believe lah. 

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 May 10, 01:18

  Originally posted by Rooney9:

  why does pastors need to draw so much money from?

  actually 5k is considered a lot, considering their salary are from the hard earned money from devotees. 5k can live a comfortable lifestyle in singapore with a 5 room flat and a small car.

  
  they are pastor what... need to got high class image what.. if not ppl think pastor believe god so much still so poor life.. then wehre got ppl believe them leh.... like selling MLM what.. all must wear nice nice suit one..

• laurence82

  30 May 10, 01:19

  coz no substance so must rely on image and impression mah

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 May 10, 01:27

  Originally posted by charlize:

  This has been blogged, chatted, posted and talked about from the internet to the kopitiams.

   

  Supporters will find all sorts of reasons to support it while opponents will find all sorts of reasons to denounce it.

   

  Up to you what you want to believe lah. 

  
  cos there's alot of ppl like one of my ex colleague what..... when i ask her she dun mind or care how the church money is used meh.... then her reply is...... she give the money to god.. but if the pastor wan to steal from god it's not her problem as she already give it to god already so god will decide what to do with the money if god think it's wrong he will punish those joker one lah.. not her problem..hahaha

• Great Heavens!

  30 May 10, 01:29

  Originally posted by charlize:

  This has been blogged, chatted, posted and talked about from the internet to the kopitiams.

   

  Supporters will find all sorts of reasons to support it while opponents will find all sorts of reasons to denounce it.

   

  Up to you what you want to believe lah. 

  I agree. We simply can't convince either side of personal beliefs. But hey, I hope there's no hard feelings when we reach a disagreement. It's a forum. Everyone shares their views. :D

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:30

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  
  cos there's alot of ppl like one of my ex colleague what..... when i ask her she dun mind or care how the church money is used meh.... then her reply is...... she give the money to god.. but if the pastor wan to steal from god it's not her problem as she already give it to god already so god will decide what to do with the money if god think it's wrong he will punish those joker one lah.. not her problem..hahaha

  Sometimes, I would think people are afraid to admit they are wrong.

   

  So they continue to delude themselves.

   

  After all, if you don't have "faith" in your own religion, why have one in the first place?

   

  So they just blindly follow whatever the pastor says.

• laurence82

  30 May 10, 01:31

  Originally posted by charlize:

  Sometimes, I would think people are afraid to admit they are wrong.

   

  So they continue to delude themselves.

   

  After all, if you don't have "faith" in your own religion, why have one in the first place?

   

  So they just blindly follow whatever the pastor says.

  the pastor is right, whoever holds views contrary to the pastor's is influenced by satan!

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:32

  Originally posted by noahnoah:

  
  hello..

  5k cant get to stay in orchard road

  wear hugo boss suits..

  eat at nice exp places...

  ello why does a pastor need to eat at these places and stayed at orchard?

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:33

  Originally posted by Great Heavens!:

  I agree. We simply can't convince either side of personal beliefs. But hey, I hope there's no hard feelings when we reach a disagreement. It's a forum. Everyone shares their views. :D

  yes but some resorted to personal attacks, you know who here......

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:34

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  the pastor is right, whoever holds views contrary to the pastor's is influenced by satan!

  Yes, I do believe that is one strategy that religion uses to control their followers.

   

  But like I said, up to the follower whether she wants to believe it fully, partially or not at all.

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:34

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  the pastor is right, whoever holds views contrary to the pastor's is influenced by satan!

  again satan the eternal whipping boys. its naivety and bothers on the ridiculous really.

• noahnoah

  30 May 10, 01:35

  Originally posted by Rooney9:

  ello why does a pastor need to eat at these places and stayed at orchard?

  
  so can show to ppl that he serve

  a rich God who own everything in tis world

   

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:37

  Originally posted by noahnoah:

  
  so can show to ppl that he serve

  a rich God who own everything in tis world

   

  
  so whatever is the sayings, the rich cannot go to heavens?

• laurence82

  30 May 10, 01:37

  Originally posted by charlize:

  Yes, I do believe that is one strategy that religion uses to control their followers.

   

  But like I said, up to the follower whether she wants to believe it fully, partially or not at all.

  no no, char char, you are not listening to me

  its definitely the work of Mr S.A. Tan

  its right for pastors to accumulate millions of dollars from their church members, and live a life of luxury, while their members suck it up living in near poverty

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:38

  Originally posted by Rooney9:

  ello why does a pastor need to eat at these places and stayed at orchard?

  Supporters will ask you, why can't pastors eat shark's fin soup everyday and stay in million dollar condos?  Why can't they drive a Lexus or a Merc or a BMW? Why can't they take holiday trips to the Swiss Alps or go shopping in Paris, Milan or London?

   

  How do you answer to that?

• Rooney9

  30 May 10, 01:38

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  no no, char char, you are not listening to me

  its definitely the work of Mr S.A. Tan

  its right for pastors to accumulate millions of dollars from their church members, and live a life of luxury, while their members suck it up living in near poverty

  hey I really know of someone who initials is S A Tan lol. no kidding.

• charlize

  30 May 10, 01:40

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  no no, char char, you are not listening to me

  its definitely the work of Mr S.A. Tan

  its right for pastors to accumulate millions of dollars from their church members, and live a life of luxury, while their members suck it up living in near poverty

  If members believe that it is alright, then who are we to say No?

   

  Life in this world is already so tough and complicated, we don't have time to worry about every other people's problems.

   

  Haiz.