ok for pastor to live a life of luxury?
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Originally posted by charlize:
Supporters will ask you, why can't pastors eat shark's fin soup everyday and stay in million dollar condos? Why can't they drive a Lexus or a Merc or a BMW? Why can't they take holiday trips to the Swiss Alps or go shopping in Paris, Milan or London?
How do you answer to that?
that goes to show what kind pastor and church you have. so you cant blame people negative views on the pastor and the church, not to mention the heretical teachings inside.
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Originally posted by charlize:
If members believe that it is alright, then who are we to say No?
Life in this world is already so tough and complicated, we don't have time to worry about every other people's problems.
Haiz.
thats right
retarded members
haha
*points and laffs*
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
that goes to show what kind pastor and church you have. so you cant blame people negative views on the pastor and the church, not to mention the heretical teachings inside.
It's like mental patients in the hospital.
Why do we claim that they are not smart? They live in an instituition doing nothing all day but get fed everyday.
While we struggle in this cruel dog eat dog world, if we stop working, we will have no money to buy food and die of starvation.
Are we really smarter than them?
Really?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes but some resorted to personal attacks, you know who here......
I'm afraid I do not have a say in such 'personal attacks'. Even if personal attacks are directed towards me, what can I do? :)
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Originally posted by Great Heavens!:
I'm afraid I do not have a say in such 'personal attacks'. Even if personal attacks are directed towards me, what can I do? :)
you could also do likewise or ignore. fight or flight syndrome. its up to u .
so what is ur opinion of Rony Tan?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
you could also do likewise or ignore. fight or flight syndrome. its up to u .
so what is ur opinion of Rony Tan?
I would gladly defend myself, but I'll be polite. :)
Rony Tan made a mistake. Once again, christians are not perfect people. His actions were wrong but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be forgiven.
Since you ask for my opinion, I believe everyone deserves forgiveness.
How about you? :)
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Originally posted by Great Heavens!:
I would gladly defend myself, but I'll be polite. :)
Rony Tan made a mistake. Once again, christians are not perfect people. His actions were wrong but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be forgiven.
Since you ask for my opinion, I believe everyone deserves forgiveness.
How about you? :)
yes he deserved to be forgive if he is truly repentent. but I doubt so. he was forced to apologise. why do I say so? because in his heart, he still holds true the same views he propagated to his congregation. I dun think he will make the same mistake twice again.
I felt that the christian community, or the leader should come out to condemn Rony actons and say it is uncalled for and not right for him as a community leader to preach such things to his followers, and that his views were not representative of the community, but there were none who came out to condemn his actions. so what does it say about the community itself?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes he deserved to be forgive if he is truly repentent. but I doubt so. he was forced to apologise. why do I say so? because in his heart, he still holds true the same views he propagated to his congregation. I dun think he will make the same mistake twice again.
I felt that the christian community, or the leader should come out to condemn Rony actons and say it is uncalled for and not right for him as a community leader to preach such things to his followers, and that his views were not representative of the community, but there were none who came out to condemn his actions. so what does it say about the community itself?
How would you know how his heart is thinking?
The Christian Community has no right to judge Rony Tan. It's our belief that only God judges. We are all imperfect humans ourselves. We can't play the role of God.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes he deserved to be forgive if he is truly repentent. but I doubt so. he was forced to apologise. why do I say so? because in his heart, he still holds true the same views he propagated to his congregation. I dun think he will make the same mistake twice again.
I felt that the christian community, or the leader should come out to condemn Rony actons and say it is uncalled for and not right for him as a community leader to preach such things to his followers, and that his views were not representative of the community, but there were none who came out to condemn his actions. so what does it say about the community itself?
the sad or scary thing is, we dont hear much of condemnation or strong show of disagreement with his words from the xtian community
as we seen before in the forum, some even do not acknowledge he made a mistake, just that he shouldnt have done it publicly
let the lying dogs be i guess
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Originally posted by Great Heavens!:
How would you know how his heart is thinking?
The Christian Community has no right to judge Rony Tan. It's our belief that only God judges. We are all imperfect humans ourselves. We can't play the role of God.
its written in the bible. the only way he will change is he gave up christianity. otherwise forget it, he still holds true the same views as before.
not asking the community to judge him, but to condemn him as his actions was uncalled for and cause friction among other faiths and their followers. do u know that what he did was seditious. what if other followers were to react and do something stupid as a result?
ok your answers to my question as to why the community did not condemn the actions of Rony Tan explains why the community did not unite and condemn Rony Tan. If the community did speak against him, at least the damage done to the religion is not irreparable. so dun blame the non believers for believing that christianity is not tolerant towards other faiths and the preachings inside. actions speaks louder than words.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
the sad or scary thing is, we dont hear much of condemnation or strong show of disagreement with his words from the xtian community
as we seen before in the forum, some even do not acknowledge he made a mistake, just that he shouldnt have done it publicly
let the lying dogs be i guess
yes you are spot on. its really scary to know what these people have in their minds.
defending the indefensible really speaks volumes on their religion. its no wonder why so many people of other faiths or even atheist or agnotists are so unhappy and pissed off with the way they behaved and propagation.
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Originally posted by Great Heavens!:
Hi there, I wish to contribute to this thread.
God is never against us being rich. Indeed, He wants us to live in great prosperity. If you read the book of Genesis, God blessed Abraham with great riches and glory(Gen 13:2). He did the same with Solomon, David and many others.
However, it is definitely an issue if a Christian worship money instead of God.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10
This was what God meant when He said that you can't worship both God and Money.
I hope I've helped in answering your questions. I am not very good with the bible yet. But I can try my best if you have any more questions.
God bless.
With all due respect to the bible and the Christian faith, i think in today's world the lack of money is the root of all evil.
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it's just bad. i know of an associate pastor who is about to buy a $2.5m terrace house in Telok Kurau for his own stay. it's a very lucrative profession!
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My pastor lives in 5 room flat . Not all pastors are rich k.
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in reply to the TS, it is quite normal to worship god and receive his blessings, no?
Pastors do worship God and in return get blessed. Be it the offerings of the people, I believe they draw a salary. And accordingly, some pastors get more, some get less.
Money is a tool in life that we all need. Be it if U are a pastor, a christian or even a person of other respected faiths.
"If God do not promise prosperity and serving God means only poverty and hardship, would the disciples embracing the prosperity gospel still keep their faith or will they worship tua pek kong instead." What does Tua Pek Kong promises you that someone would worship him? (no disrespect). Peace/Health/Good life?? Would any worship if he promises you otherwise?"
"These pastors whom live in district 10, who wear branded clothing and drive branded car and who worship money, have these pastors lost their moral compass to preach?
There are many poor people in singapore. The money would certainly be better used to help them in their poverty."
I do believe there are many avenues to help the poor. If I am not wrong, many religious bodies in sgp, do help out the society in many ways be it funding, or etc. Some prefer to go about it in a quiet way, but it doesn't mean they are not.
My two cents.
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aiyah, nowadays ah, running a church is a business lah !
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
its written in the bible. the only way he will change is he gave up christianity. otherwise forget it, he still holds true the same views as before.
not asking the community to judge him, but to condemn him as his actions was uncalled for and cause friction among other faiths and their followers. do u know that what he did was seditious. what if other followers were to react and do something stupid as a result?
ok your answers to my question as to why the community did not condemn the actions of Rony Tan explains why the community did not unite and condemn Rony Tan. If the community did speak against him, at least the damage done to the religion is not irreparable. so dun blame the non believers for believing that christianity is not tolerant towards other faiths and the preachings inside. actions speaks louder than words.
i do believe certain actions are taken but I don't think the washing dirty linens in public is the best approach.
Also by their big heart and higher understanding, other religious leaders have accepted his forgiveness. I think this is an intelligent way to diffuse the tension. Kudos to them.
"actions speaks louder than words." Sir, would a crucifiction of Rony Tan, finally satisfy and put your anger to rest?
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
aiyah, nowadays ah, running a church is a business lah !
with no offense to any, looking around, I do believe that as most religions get bigger and stronger, they do adopt some sound business sense/management.
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Originally posted by Cck689461:
Dear All,
I would like to hold a mini-forum for a discussion on the moral issue of allowing pastors to live a life of luxury at the expense of the poor.
Jesus said that one cannot serve both money or God.
One would only serve one master and hate the other.
but the pastors who are preaching prosperity bible have proven jesus wrong.
These pastors whom live in district 10, who wear branded clothing and drive branded car and who worship money, have these pastors lost their moral compass to preach?
There are many poor people in singapore. The money would certainly be better used to help them in their poverty.
I would also like to hear from fellow christians on the opinion on money and God.
If God do not promise prosperity and serving God means only poverty and hardship, would the disciples embracing the prosperity gospel still keep their faith or will they worship tua pek kong instead.
Feel free to contribute
Can, not say cannot.
Min yi also does that what
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
aiyah, nowadays ah, running a church is a business lah !
More lucrative than any other business
I am going to start one too
This trend will be hotter than bubble tea explosion last decade
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Can, not say cannot.
Min yi also does that what
well, the discussion is on Pastors. Let's horse-blinds ourselves..
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One can also live an afterlife in Rock star- worthy resting place
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Originally posted by laurence82:
More lucrative than any other business
I am going to start one too
This trend will be hotter than bubble tea explosion last decade
really?? Cool...
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Originally posted by chimnhuat:
it's just bad. i know of an associate pastor who is about to buy a $2.5m terrace house in Telok Kurau for his own stay. it's a very lucrative profession!
the Jesus-Fucking bastard got his money from where ?
if his own money, okay lah but if from the tithes from church members then he's a real God-Fucking bastard !!!!
some more associate pastor only leh, if he's a proper pastor mah buy the Istana ????
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Originally posted by laurence82:
More lucrative than any other business
I am going to start one too
This trend will be hotter than bubble tea explosion last decade
don't forget about me leh, we can do it MLM style mah !
then later we can launch derivative products like confirmed places in heaven !
then we can sell insurance to members in case they don't make it to heaven !
we call our church '' the Holiest of Holy Churches for the Naive and Innocent ''