ya ya you can talk all day long about objectivity and subjectivity,why not copy and paste from google on their definitions, but at the end of the day, you are being objective in him being subjective. so what makes you say he is subjective. what criteria did you use in saying him being subjective. and the thing is, you got the nerve to call people subjective lol.
Originally posted by 798:this forum is fail anyway. i still remembered the owner of this forum trying to step down n close this forum. it's just dat jason did not get it still wanting this forum to run.
look like it becoming like christian bashing forum.
looks like that doesn't it? some people still don't get it ... hmm.
Originally posted by Rooney9:ya ya you can talk all day long about objectivity and subjectivity,why not copy and paste from google on their definitions, but at the end of the day, you are being objective in him being subjective. so what makes you say he is subjective. what criteria did you use in saying him being subjective. and the thing is, you got the nerve to call people subjective lol.
now now... don't get so sensitive... the same way you judge the christian, is the same way you say they judge you, so you are no better.
Christian bashing is safe. That's why.
Moderators fail in other areas too, like failing to prohibit nicks that contains obscenities and other peoples' actual names.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:now now... don't get so sensitive... the same way you judge the christian, is the same way you say they judge you, so you are no better.
the facts speak for itself. just look at the mudslinging and name calling from a certain you know who. did I call you or them a cretin or moron? no I just merely challenged the beliefs system by pointing out the many inconsistencies and fallacy.
On the same note, no one speak up against non-Christians bashing, just like no christian stopped rony tan
ah well, playing victim again
nice, this is something u have to learn from them
Originally posted by Rooney9:the facts speak for itself. just look at the mudslinging and name calling from a certain you know who. did I call you or them a cretin or moron? no I just merely challenged the beliefs system by pointing out the many inconsistencies and fallacy.
now who is judging... what to you may be an apparent inconsistency or an apparent fallacy, but do you understand the criteria by which certain things are done in the bible? you use your own limited understanding to comprehend and say that that is enough? that you have it all? you know it all? you can challenge a belief system all you want, but ask yourself this question, why?
Originally posted by Rooney9:ya ya you can talk all day long about objectivity and subjectivity,why not copy and paste from google on their definitions, but at the end of the day, you are being objective in him being subjective. so what makes you say he is subjective. what criteria did you use in saying him being subjective. and the thing is, you got the nerve to call people subjective lol.
Thank you, you just revealed your level of comprehension for all to see.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:now who is judging... what to you may be an apparent inconsistency or an apparent fallacy, but do you understand the criteria by which certain things are done in the bible? you use your own limited understanding to comprehend and say that that is enough? that you have it all? you know it all? you can challenge a belief system all you want, but ask yourself this question, why?
why? I already did? why was babies borned deformed? why was there so much suffering in this world? why is god so omnipotent, allow this to happen? did animals created so that we can enjoy their meat for food? so there is justification that animals sufferings can be ignored?
Originally posted by Rooney9:why? I already did? why was babies borned deformed? why was there so much suffering in this world? why is god so omnipotent, allow this to happen? did animals created so that we can enjoy their meat for food? so there is justification that animals sufferings can be ignored?
why allow any of this to happen? because of free will. Yet even in the bible, there are clean and unclean meats, clean and unclean food. The whole book contains the rules and regulations by which G_d expects us to live on this earth, just like in any country there are rules and regulations, but whether the citizen chooses to follow or not, it is still up to free will right?
ok shift the topic from animals to plants, it is already well proven that when plants are cut, they "scream" too.. they suffer as well... so why do we have to do that to plants so that we can enjoy vegetables?? will you ignore their sufferings?
This forum is fail ? Perhaps it has degraded. But do not deny that a lot of people have unpleasant experiences with the church. Can you say these experiences are not well justified ? Surely there are trolls, but still every forum has trolls. Just take a look at speakers corner.
Utimately its just a exchange of information, one cannot be totally un-bias when regarding sentisitive topics like religion.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:why allow any of this to happen? because of free will. Yet even in the bible, there are clean and unclean meats, clean and unclean food. The whole book contains the rules and regulations by which G_d expects us to live on this earth, just like in any country there are rules and regulations, but whether the citizen chooses to follow or not, it is still up to free will right?
ok shift the topic from animals to plants, it is already well proven that when plants are cut, they "scream" too.. they suffer as well... so why do we have to do that to plants so that we can enjoy vegetables?? will you ignore their sufferings?
the problem is god creations. why didnt god come up with something that doesnt involved animals or vegetable or plants. surely he can come out with something that doesnt entailed sufferings isnt it.
what about babies borned deformed? why were they created like that? surely it has nothing to do with free will? when I see replies like this, I was like . got one replies damn facinating. if not for abnormality, how do u know what is normal. I was like gobsmacked lol. yes I know about duality, but I wasnt asking that?
Rooney9 go practise ur buddhist teachings lah dun come here to criticise us. R u a true buddhist?
Buddhist cant critisize other ppl's religions.
Originally posted by TTFU:This forum is fail ? Perhaps it has degraded. But do not deny that a lot of people have unpleasant experiences with the church. Can you say these experiences are not well justified ? Surely there are trolls, but still every forum has trolls. Just take a look at speakers corner.
Utimately its just a exchange of information, one cannot be totally un-bias when regarding sentisitive topics like religion.
yes you are spot on. we all have unpleasant encounters with christians. my christian female boss. I was having a conversation with her on work, when suddenly she talked about praying to an idol made of wood and I was like, what was that for? When I talked about heaven and believed that whether we are chinese, indians or malay or caucasians, we will go to the same place after death. my christian classmate then barged in and said not so. only those who accepted Jesus will go to heaven and I was like.....I was talking to a friend on causality, cause and effect, when a christian friend interuppted and uttered, I dun believe that. I didnt respond to him, I just kept quiet. so you expected me to believe in god instead lol. so when he talked about god, should I say its all bullshit? so far, I have not said anything bad to christians in real life, but if they continue this type of behaviours, I will not rule out being rude in return.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:Rooney9 go practise ur buddhist teachings lah dun come here to criticise us. R u a true buddhist?
Buddhist cant critisize other ppl's religions.
you can justify Rony Tan blasting of other faiths they are satanic and false religions?
so why arent Rony Tan concentrate on his own gospel and mind his own business? he even have the cheek to find a psuedo buddhist and ask him to discredit the teachings. you mean to say christians have the right to critisize other faiths? and he is not alone in doing that, mind you. there are countless christians who do that.
Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes you are spot on. we all have unpleasant encounters with christians. my christian female boss. I was having a conversation with her on work, when suddenly she talked about praying to an idol made of wood and I was like, what was that for? When I talked about heaven and believed that whether we are chinese, indians or malay or caucasians, we will go to the same place after death. my christian classmate then barged in and said not so. only those who accepted Jesus will go to heaven and I was like.....I was talking to a friend on causality, cause and effect, when a christian friend interuppted and uttered, I dun believe that. I didnt respond to him, I just kept quiet. so you expected me to believe in god instead lol. so when he talked about god, should I say its all bullshit? so far, I have not said anything bad to christians in real life, but if they continue this type of behaviours, I will not rule out being rude in return.
all these are extreme christians I dun do that.
I bring ppl to church if they dun accept i wont harass them.
the forum is meant for a healthy discussion on christianity.
Rooney and laurence have brought up their viewpoint which are valid.
Christians should examine alternative viewpoint before commenting.
Scripture quoting holds no weight. Only logical and rational argument are of value.
It is improper for pastor to manipulate the church for his own well- being. that is for sure. the duty of the pastor is to care for the flock. but they have deviated from their calling and has fleeced the flock instead of caring for it.
This, the christians, cannot deny. The truth is the truth. CHC should not have invested in suntec . CHC should have used the money to help the poor.
This is why laurence and roony are so indignant at the matter. They have a right to show contempt because the Church has mismanaged its affairs.
Christians feel that non-christians have no right to judge the church. but has the church done right? have the pastor done right? have the church serve its true purpose as a house of prayer or has it become a clubhouse where the opposite sex flirt with each other?
Christians, do not be angry with rooney and laurence. Instead of bashing laurence and rooney, why dun the christians self-reflect on your own faults and misgivings.Admit your error and fault, repent and strive to be a better person. When you have achieve in doing that, laurence and rooney 's contempt will be resolved.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:all these are extreme christians I dun do that.
I bring ppl to church if they dun accept i wont harass them.
ok fine. but pls dun tell them they will go to hell if they dun accept Jesus ok.
and do u agree that those who resorted to names calling and mudslinging here are extreme christians too?
Originally posted by Cck689461:the forum is meant for a healthy discussion on christianity.
Rooney and laurence have brought up their viewpoint which are valid.
Christians should examine alternative viewpoint before commenting.
Scripture quoting holds no weight. Only logical and rational argument are of value.
It is improper for pastor to manipulate the church for his own well- being. that is for sure. the duty of the pastor is to care for the flock. but they have deviated from their calling and has fleeced the flock instead of caring for it.
This, the christians, cannot deny. The truth is the truth. CHC should not have invested in suntec . CHC should have used the money to help the poor.
This is why laurence and roony are so indignant at the matter. They have a right to show contempt because the Church has mismanaged its affairs.
Christians feel that non-christians have no right to judge the church. but has the church done right? have the pastor done right? have the church serve its true purpose as a house of prayer or has it become a clubhouse where the opposite sex flirt with each other?
Christians, do not be angry with rooney and laurence. Instead of bashing laurence and rooney, why dun the christians self-reflect on your own faults and misgivings.Admit your error and fault, repent and strive to be a better person. When you have achieve in doing that, laurence and rooney 's contempt will be resolved.
Indeed Church people are not perfect, they do make mistakes.
We should reflect the mistakes done by them. Learn from the mistakes.
Originally posted by TTFU:This forum is fail ? Perhaps it has degraded. But do not deny that a lot of people have unpleasant experiences with the church. Can you say these experiences are not well justified ? Surely there are trolls, but still every forum has trolls. Just take a look at speakers corner.
Utimately its just a exchange of information, one cannot be totally un-bias when regarding sentisitive topics like religion.
in the first place, this forum was meant for Christians to edify one another. to discuss Christian topics. i'm still very amused and baffled at the state at which it is in.
nevertheless, bad experiences don't happen within the church (in general) only but in other areas too. It's the human condition that seeks an answer.
Originally posted by Rooney9:
yes you are spot on. we all have unpleasant encounters with christians. my christian female boss. I was having a conversation with her on work, when suddenly she talked about praying to an idol made of wood and I was like, what was that for? When I talked about heaven and believed that whether we are chinese, indians or malay or caucasians, we will go to the same place after death. my christian classmate then barged in and said not so. only those who accepted Jesus will go to heaven and I was like.....I was talking to a friend on causality, cause and effect, when a christian friend interuppted and uttered, I dun believe that. I didnt respond to him, I just kept quiet. so you expected me to believe in god instead lol. so when he talked about god, should I say its all bullshit? so far, I have not said anything bad to christians in real life, but if they continue this type of behaviours, I will not rule out being rude in return.
Fact is be more tolerant and learn to ignore. Works both ways, you to him, him to you. ignoring doesnt mean that you just admited you are a loser, but you know the fact that he holds strongly to his faith. He is childish enough to take a dig at other religions. Tossing accusations back and forth with no true allegation and bear nothing but animosity towards it proc them to do the same to you. You attack them, they attack you. So where does it end? When the other side is eliminated?
Originally posted by 24/7:in the first place, this forum was meant for Christians to edify one another. to discuss Christian topics. i'm still very amused and baffled at the state at which it is in.
nevertheless, bad experiences don't happen within the church (in general) only but in other areas too. It's the human condition that seeks an answer.
Humans make mistakes or sin everywhere. In company also gt ppl make mistakes.
Originally posted by 24/7:in the first place, this forum was meant for Christians to edify one another. to discuss Christian topics. i'm still very amused and baffled at the state at which it is in.
nevertheless, bad experiences don't happen within the church (in general) only but in other areas too. It's the human condition that seeks an answer.
We already did discussed some about christain topics In some other threads, Perhaps the whine covered up the information exchange, i dono. If there is any thread that christains wants to create, feel free.
Even having a mod will be difficult, who to censor ? censor brings hate, but no censor also seems wrong.
Rooney9 is the troll right?
Knew it since my day 1 around.