Pastor poked fun at Chinese beliefs
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Posted on 13 Jun 2010
Several STOMPers came across an audio-video posted online, apparently showing Pastor Mark Ng from New Creation Church poking fun at Chinese beliefs..
The STOMPers are concerned about how the pastor's insulting comments may create societal disharmony.
Earlier this year, Pastor Rony Tan made headlines when videos of him belittling Buddhist precepts such as rebirth, karma and nirvana were circulated on the Internet, creating an outroar.
This led to the authorities warning him, after which he apologised.
Now, despite the authorities having taken action against Pastor Rony Tan, Pastor Mark Ng has apparently made insensitive comments on traditional Chinese beliefs, as seen in this video. Annotations are inserted by the anonymous person who uploaded the audio-video up on YouTube.
One of the STOMPers who came across the latest video of Pastor Mark Ng, said:
"I came across this video online about a pastor from a mega church poking fun of other religions' rituals and traditions.
"I have no problem with people preaching their religious beliefs but, living in multi-cultural Singapore, we should learn to respect others' religions.
"I think the pastor owes a public apology to all those he had insulted.
Another STOMPer said:
"Pastor Mark Ng of New Creation Church insults Chinese beliefs and Taoists in sermon.
"I was aghast to hear that this pastor has made numerous comments that were not sensitive to Chinese beliefs and were particularly insulting to Taoists.
"It is very sad to note that despite the public outrage surrounding pastor Rony Tan earlier this year for his insensitive comments and misconceptions about other religions, this pastor has chosen to ignore the government's call for a multi-religious society in harmony and continued to insult other faiths in order to spread his own faith."==========
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLXiG9kQrwo&feature=player_embedded
(This YouTube video clip was removed. If the beng pastor ng was speaking fine about others they would not be bothered to remove it.). Did anyone of you save this?
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Jun 15, 2010
ISD looks into clip of sermon which mocked Taoist beliefs
New Creation Church apologises and asks YouTube to remove it
A 10-minute audio clip was posted on YouTube last Friday. In it, a church pastor, Mr Mark Ng (above), can be heard joking with the congregation about Chinese rituals. In one instance, he compared praying to Taoist deities to 'seeking protection from secret society gangsters'. -- PHOTO: YOUTUBE
http://www.straitstimes.com/PrimeNews/Story/STIStory_540305.html
THE Internal Security Department (ISD) has looked into an incident involving the New Creation Church over a 2008 sermon being circulated online that mocks Taoist beliefs.
The 10-minute audio clip was posted on YouTube last Friday. In it, a church pastor, Mr Mark Ng, can be heard joking with the congregation about Chinese rituals; in one instance, he compared praying to Taoist deities to 'seeking protection from secret society gangsters'.
The Ministry of Home Affairs said yesterday in a response to queries from The Straits Times that the church had, on its own accord, contacted YouTube to remove the clip. It has also apologised.
'We are aware of the case. ISD has looked into it and taken up the matter with the New Creation Church.'
In a six-paragraph letter posted on its website on Sunday, New Creation said that Mr Ng, who heads the church's Chinese ministry, did not intend for his comments to be disrespectful to other faiths.
It added that earlier this year, the church had reviewed its archive of sermons and had stopped reproducing that particular sermon and other insensitive content that had been previously sold in the church bookstore.
'We recognise our responsibility in this major oversight in allowing this sermon not only to be preached, but also, as a usual practice, to be made available as a resource for sale,' the 20,000-strong independent church said.
'It is unfortunate that while we have endeavoured in every way to stop the circulation of this sermon, its recent appearance on the Internet continues to possibly cause offence.
'We would like to express our deepest apologies to any person who may have been offended by the remarks made by Pastor Mark Ng.'
The user who uploaded the New Creation clip declined to identify himself, but told The Straits Times in an e-mail interview that he hoped to raise public awareness on preaching styles that were disrespectful to other faiths.
'If such preaching continues unabated, it would definitely be trouble for multiracial and multi-religious Singapore,' said the 37-year-old Singaporean man, who uses the nickname 'happyman4072' on YouTube.
The clip has since been re-posted on more than a dozen websites, including Stomp!, tech forum hardwarezone.com and social networking site Facebook.
On YouTube, it has been viewed about 4,000 times.
In February, the founder and senior pastor of another independent church, Lighthouse Evangelism, was censured for making comments that were insensitive to Buddhist and Taoist believers.
Mr Rony Tan, 64, mocked the religious precepts, such as reincarnation and nirvana. His remarks were recorded on video and uploaded on the church's website.
In days, the video clips were re-posted on YouTube and online forums.
Mr Tan was interviewed by the ISD and has since recanted and apologised for his remarks.
Mr Ng, who is 48 and married, could not be reached for comment.
The church, however, said on his behalf: 'Pastor Mark offers his unreserved and unmitigated apology to the public for his insensitive comments... He humbly appeals to those whom he has offended to forgive him for this serious indiscretion.'
The user who uploaded the clip said he had received CDs containing the sermon last month from a church-goer, presumably from New Creation.
'I am pretty sure that he didn't realise that these kind of recordings could give offence to others. Perhaps that could be the problem in our society right now?'
He added that he was not religious and did not subscribe to any faith.
Taoist Federation chairman Tan Thiam Lye yesterday called on religious leaders to start paying more attention to what they say during services.
He said: 'Such comments do not promote religious harmony - that is obvious. There is just no need to criticise other religions when promoting your own faith.'
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This fellow looks like Chen JianPing, Marcus Chin.
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do you realise that muslims, buddhists, taoists, hindus... whatever practices they may have, they never ever proclaim themselves as one and only. they accept the existence of other religions.
only with christians there's a "if i'm right you must be wrong" mentality.
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there you go again. no wonder people impression of the faith is damn unflattering to say the least. will ISD invite him over for a cuppa? will he be the first pastor to be charged I wonder?
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Again?
Just pull all these idiots off their bloody pesdestals.
Another stupid church.
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Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
do you realise that muslims, buddhists, taoists, hindus... whatever practices they may have, they never ever proclaim themselves as one and only. they accept the existence of other religions.
only with christians there's a "if i'm right you must be wrong" mentality.
Islam preached on tolerance but they do believe that there is only 1 God. In fact , they extracted verses from bible to quoran.Well, enough said and enough happening for people to hear and see and judge for themselves about it. hahah
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shouldnt gahmen come down hard on these people? they never learn their lesson and take every opportunity to insult other faith
even so daringly run big business or take over a NGO
its getting out of hand
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but the government, is either unwilling or unable to charge this so called religious man, pastor to court. Rony was given a warning only. so much for the religious act.
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Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
do you realise that muslims, buddhists, taoists, hindus... whatever practices they may have, they never ever proclaim themselves as one and only. they accept the existence of other religions.
only with christians there's a "if i'm right you must be wrong" mentality.
I do noe that you want to bash the Chrisitians. While I am not a chrisitan, but Islam / Muslims are also have such "if i'm right you must be wrong" mentality as well. If not where got the ****** terrorism extemist thing exist and sabo those transport fans cannot freely take their photos / videos as a souvenir / memories of it and mistaken as a suspected terrorist instead!.
In other words, Atheism is the best and others are plain wrong.
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Originally posted by hasene:
Islam preached on tolerance but they do believe that there is only 1 God. In fact , they extracted verses from bible to quoran.Well, enough said and enough happening for people to hear and see and judge for themselves about it. hahah
it's the same god essentially, just different interpretations.i've never heard a muslim converting others, telling chinese it's wrong to eat pork. but christians have implied that if you don't become one you'll go to hell. even if you don't believe in it, it's not the nicest thing to hear.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
I do noe that you want to bash the Chrisitians. While I am not a chrisitan, but Islam / Muslims are also have such "if i'm right you must be wrong" mentality as well. If not where got the ****** terrorism extemist thing exist and sabo those transport fans cannot freely take their photos / videos as a souvenir / memories of it and mistaken as a suspected terrorist instead!.
In other words, Atheism is the best and others are plain wrong.
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Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
it's the same god essentially, just different interpretations.i've never heard a muslim converting others, telling chinese it's wrong to eat pork. but christians have implied that if you don't become one you'll go to hell. even if you don't believe in it, it's not the nicest thing to hear.
That is christianity, unless someone is bold to change it from the bible.Diplomacy is lacking.
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the inaction of christians unwilling to condemn these people because, its written in the bible. only god can judge, so that explains why christians are unwilling to come out to condemn Rony Tan or whichever pastor.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
the inaction of christians unwilling to condemn these people because, its written in the bible. only god can judge, so that explains why christians are unwilling to come out to condemn Rony Tan or whichever pastor.
There are christians who are do not agree with what Rony Tan has done.I think these pastors doing this are not very smart, they are building walls instead of bridges.
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Originally posted by hasene:
There are christians who are do not agree with what Rony Tan has done.I think these pastors doing this are not very smart, they are building walls instead of bridges.
you mean pour a pail of urine over the neighbour's fence?
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Originally posted by hasene:
There are christians who are do not agree with what Rony Tan has done.I think these pastors doing this are not very smart, they are building walls instead of bridges.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
you mean pour a pail of urine over the neighbour's fence?
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I never hear the bishop come out to distance himself or the church from Rony's preaching.Probably they pray for him.
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The 3 links posted by the TS is not working
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Originally posted by Chester_Lim:
The 3 links posted by the TS is not working
Will post other link if I come across any. -
Originally posted by Chester_Lim:
The 3 links posted by the TS is not working
Just posted in the thread the YOutube linkHis diction is real bad. Speaks like lim swee say. yee
Not everyone needs Jesus as they claim. This Ng pastor speaks like ah beng and he is irritating.
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He even crossed the border to bash Hong Kong. Please loh he talked as if christians cannot be possessed or disturbed by spirit.
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Originally posted by hasene:
Probably they pray for him.
and all the non-christians who are bashing the dude
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Watched the whole 10 minutes. Some comments in the video i find it interesting. My God!! I don't understand his English!!!.. "the kopi bought from Holland V one...." and that is public speaking??? Please go to British Coucil for proper lesson. At the same time, please go for cultural understanding course.
He speaks superstition, however he is insulting and making a bold claim on classifying other religions as superstition. Fact is his own religion can be superstition as well. The crowd's laughter distrubing....
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A strong tinge of arrogance in him that led him to be so bold to speak forth.