Scams used by christanity
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No, however I've made three points in that paragraph.
1. Anyone who misuses the funds entrusted to him in good faith will have to answer to first, his people, next, government and finally god.
2.Religious tolerance is important in maintaining stability in Singapore.
3.The lack of religious tolerance would result in the crumbling of the comfortable life we've taken for granted.
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Originally posted by ed88:
No, however I've made three points in that paragraph.
1. Anyone who misuses the funds entrusted to him in good faith will have to answer to first, his people, next, government and finally god.
2.Religious tolerance is important in maintaining stability in Singapore.
3.The lack of religious tolerance would result in the crumbling of the comfortable life we've taken for granted.
so what misuse of funds got to do with religious tolerance?
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i will draw up a very simple flow diagram for you. Although inititially its three seperate ideas. Oh well
Misuse of Funds in the Light of City Harvest for Example leads to
People Distrusting in a certain organisation or in this case City harvest Leads to
People Equating the case of City Harvest Church to Christanity as a religion that is corrupt which Leads to
Insensitive comments ; flaming against Christanity for example ( this action is an example of religious intolerance ) leads to
Unstability.
you can substitute any event that shows a religion in a bad light and substitute any corresponding religion . It would roughly flow the same way too. Look at the main thread of the discussion for asking the question thanks . I am just merely replying to it.
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Originally posted by ed88:
i will draw up a very simple flow diagram for you. Although inititially its three seperate ideas. Oh well
Misuse of Funds in the Light of City Harvest for Example leads to
People Distrusting in a certain organisation or in this case City harvest Leads to
People Equating the case of City Harvest Church to Christanity as a religion that is corrupt which Leads to
Insensitive comments ; flaming against Christanity for example ( this action is an example of religious intolerance ) leads to
Unstability.
you can substitute any event that shows a religion in a bad light and substitute any corresponding religion . It would roughly flow the same way too. Look at the main thread of the discussion for asking the question thanks . I am just merely replying to it.
quite brilliant really.
it should be evident by now that there are troublemakers and trolls lurking in this forum, and you don't have to respond to every single one of them. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water; there are those who are genuinely interested with their questions.
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Originally posted by ed88:
i will draw up a very simple flow diagram for you. Although inititially its three seperate ideas. Oh well
Misuse of Funds in the Light of City Harvest for Example leads to
People Distrusting in a certain organisation or in this case City harvest Leads to
People Equating the case of City Harvest Church to Christanity as a religion that is corrupt which Leads to
Insensitive comments ; flaming against Christanity for example ( this action is an example of religious intolerance ) leads to
Unstability.
you can substitute any event that shows a religion in a bad light and substitute any corresponding religion . It would roughly flow the same way too. Look at the main thread of the discussion for asking the question thanks . I am just merely replying to it.
i am more worried abt people more loyal to their religion and religious lot than the country
imagine an organisation bigger than the country
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Originally posted by 24/7:
quite brilliant really.
it should be evident by now that there are troublemakers and trolls lurking in this forum, and you don't have to respond to every single one of them. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water; there are those who are genuinely interested with their questions.
i agree with u
those trolls will support religious intolerance by supporting rony tan/ being apathetic to his rants
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i agree with u
those trolls will support religious intolerance by supporting rony tan/ being apathetic to his rants
first of all, in the very likely and possible event that you didn't know that my reference to troublemakers and trolls included you, it did.
second of all, allow me to provide the definition of troll for your benefit and self-examination: a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
thirdly, individuals who remain apathetic to that pastor's rants, or anybody for that matter and there are plenty in this forum, need not necessarily be supporting religious intolerance. But if you wish to make that assertion, then the onus is on you to back it up. Similarly, they can do so for the same reason they ignore stray dogs barking on the road, and the other is monotony / tedious repetition.
But hey, if incessant chanting endlessly (and mindlessly) floats your boat, and that of others, don't let this stop you.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
first of all, in the very likely and possible event that you didn't know that my reference to troublemakers and trolls included you, it did.
second of all, allow me to provide the definition of troll for your benefit and self-examination: a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
thirdly, individuals who remain apathetic to that pastor's rants, or anybody for that matter and there are plenty in this forum, need not necessarily be supporting religious intolerance. But if you wish to make that assertion, then the onus is on you to back it up. Similarly, they can do so for the same reason they ignore stray dogs barking on the road, and the other is monotony / tedious repetition.
But hey, if incessant chanting endlessly (and mindlessly) floats your boat, and that of others, don't let this stop you.
how can one be apathetic be also mean not supporting it, and yet speedily scour the forum for non-christians to bash?
wow, but this smack of total hypocrisy at the level only satan can comprehend
well, according to your definition, you are a troll...but, i welcome you...with open arms
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Originally posted by laurence82:
how can one be apathetic be also mean not supporting it, and yet speedily scour the forum for non-christians to bash?
wow, but this smack of total hypocrisy at the level only satan can comprehend
well, according to your definition, you are a troll...but, i welcome you...with open arms
would you like to rephrase this part? "how can one be apathetic be also mean not supporting it" what are you trying to say here? as i said, its up to you to back up your claim that "individuals who are apathetic to rony tan's rants are promoting religious intolerance".
dont throw red herrings or divert attention by assassinating character.
i'm curious. from this thread, how have i trolled? In other words, where have I posted "inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion?"
Although i'm filled with mixed feelings for your admission to being a troll, yet being so proud, almost nonchalant, about it. Then again, this is a forum, where anonymity gives people a false sense of security. Hope you're not this unreasonable in real life.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
would you like to rephrase this part? "how can one be apathetic be also mean not supporting it" what are you trying to say here? as i said, its up to you to back up your claim that "individuals who are apathetic to rony tan's rants are promoting religious intolerance".
dont throw red herrings or divert attention by assassinating character.
i'm curious. from this thread, how have i trolled? In other words, where have I posted "inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion?"
Although i'm filled with mixed feelings for your admission to being a troll, yet being so proud, almost nonchalant, about it. Then again, this is a forum, where anonymity gives people a false sense of security. Hope you're not this unreasonable in real life.
its up to u to disprove what i said, how can throw the ball into other people court like that? shame!
assasinating characte? you mean the person who started by saying below words?
"first of all, in the very likely and possible event that you didn't know that my reference to troublemakers and trolls included you, it did. "
by assasinating my character, you have trolled
i dont have mixed feeling for you, really
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eh, troll, how long does it take for you to draft a response??
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Originally posted by laurence82:
its up to u to disprove what i said, how can throw the ball into other people court like that? shame!
assasinating characte? you mean the person who started by saying below words?
"first of all, in the very likely and possible event that you didn't know that my reference to troublemakers and trolls included you, it did. "
by assasinating my character, you have trolled
i dont have mixed feeling for you, really
i didn't make the claim. you did. the onus of backing it up falls on you. don't shift your burden of proof to me.
first of all, calling a character assassin out on his game isn't character assassination. it's stating a fact that is relevant to this thread. In the same, calling a troll out isn't trolling because by definition, a troll is out to throw the thread off topic (as you are currently doing). By doing so, i'm alerting others to the presence of this undesirable element.
second of all, IF i had really started out, as you lied, by claiming the above, i would really have trolled but i didnt, since what i've started my foray into this thread is to approve of what ed88 posted.
if you're proud of being a troll, carry on by all means. i'm glad that you've come to terms with who or what you are, yet sad that you choose to continue at this level of existence.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
i didn't make the claim. you did. the onus of backing it up falls on you. don't shift your burden of proof to me.
first of all, calling a character assassin out on his game isn't character assassination. it's stating a fact that is relevant to this thread. In the same, calling a troll out isn't trolling because by definition, a troll is out to throw the thread off topic (as you are currently doing). By doing so, i'm alerting others to the presence of this undesirable element.
second of all, IF i had really started out, as you lied, by claiming the above, i would really have trolled but i didnt, since what i've started my foray into this thread is to approve of what ed88 posted.
if you're proud of being a troll, carry on by all means. i'm glad that you've come to terms with who or what you are, yet sad that you choose to continue at this level of existence.
i aint going to spoonfeed you, lazy bum
looks who is throwing who off topic, by refusing to disprove what other people said
you started out, i quoted, no if
if you are really proud of being the troll that you are now, fine, but dont slander others
dont you have conscience?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i aint going to spoonfeed you, lazy bum
looks who is throwing who off topic, by refusing to disprove what other people said
you started out, i quoted, no if
if you are really proud of being the troll that you are now, fine, but dont slander others
dont you have conscience?
you're quite the forum cock teaser aren't you?
if someone comes up to me asserting laurence82 has LOW intellectual capacity, it's up to him to prove it, not for me to disprove. In this case, i would have to assent to his statement since intuitively from the posts you've made, it's very likely that it is true.
In any case, my original reply to you already indicated my take on mindless rants under point 3. i started my foray into this thread with my first post in reply to ed88, not you. Get over yourself.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
you're quite the forum cock teaser aren't you?
if someone comes up to me asserting laurence82 has LOW intellectual capacity, it's up to him to prove it, not for me to disprove. In this case, i would have to assent to his statement since intuitively from the posts you've made, it's very likely that it is true.
In any case, my original reply to you already indicated my take on mindless rants under point 3. i started my foray into this thread with my first post in reply to ed88, not you. Get over yourself.
first para, dont know what you are talking about...you like cock you join the Mardi Gras
you are the one who asserted its not true, so you need to disprove it, dont suka make statements then demand the other party back up up his statement
i dont know, seems you are the one making mindless rants till someone has to come along to tell you to get over it over a cup of coffee
dont you have a life or something? like, seriously?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
first para, dont know what you are talking about...you like cock you join the Mardi Gras
you are the one who asserted its not true, so you need to disprove it, dont suka make statements then demand the other party back up up his statement
i dont know, seems you are the one making mindless rants till someone has to come along to tell you to get over it over a cup of coffee
dont you have a life or something? like, seriously?
first para, dont know what you are talking about...you like cock you join the Mardi Gras
mai lai lah.. don't know, or pretend not to know. hao siao ...
you are the one who asserted its not true, so you need to disprove it, dont suka make statements then demand the other party back up up his statement
you really lack the skills of reasoning. an appeal to ignorance will get you nowhere. show me what first statement i made before you claimed, "those trolls will support religious intolerance by supporting rony tan/ being apathetic to his rants"
i dont know, seems you are the one making mindless rants till someone has to come along to tell you to get over it over a cup of coffee
hmm ... i'm beginning to realize that if you or rooney9 or any other cronies, roped in to help, think i'm making mindless rants, abstract statements or any other argument their intellect fails to help them understand, i actually find it a compliment. After all, to the village idiot, nothing makes sense to him since he is "mentally deficient and incapable of ordinary reasoning". My only concern is for you dunces not to pull other forumers down your intellectual sewage.
dont you have a life or something? like, seriously?
gee i wouldn't know. i wasn't the one who was waiting for a reply to a thread that he had thrown off track. like i alluded earlier about u- pitiful life, meaningless existence
Just before i leave, a parting thought for you. Did you know that the word "fool" in Psalm 14 of the Christian scriptures has the same root word (Greek Septuagint) as the modern word "moron"? Yet another example of scriptures being proven true!
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Originally posted by ed88:
Honestly speaking , as a christian tithing is an act of faith . IF pastor Kong Kee chooses to misuse the funds given to him, he is not only going to be held answerable to the people of the church, not only to the goverment and the people of singapore but to God as well. It is his risks to take and he will definitely suffer if he misuses the funds. Of course you guys have the right to accept whatever faith you are going to practice, but ultimately religious tolerance is the only way to preserve this fragile peace that we take for granted in Singapore. With peace can our country grow , so unless you dont consider yourself as a singaporean , go start flaming and start a riot or something cause it just might happen. Then all this comfortable life we all take for granted come tumbling down like blocks of wood.
Your first statement is misleading and please do not repeat that "tithing is an act of faith". It is not and you can google and find out the many explanations why it is not relevant. Don't mislead others especially non-christians. But I can accept if you says that tithing is widely taught to be an "act of faith" by some so called mega churches preaching prosperity gospel.
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i suggested you join Mardi Gras if you wanna be a cock teaser then
i am reasoning with you, its only unreasonable creature such yourself fails to see the truth, as long as its non christian, whap!, you'll pounce on him like lions on christians
you are making mindless rant, you just thanked the neutral third party who tell you to get over it over a cuppa
a person who believes in god believe in meaningless existence? wow, another irony within the same posty
that was not a scripture proven true, thats just etymology...pffft, uncouth idiot - idiot, which evolved from layman or uneducated, as opposed to clergy in the heydays, or educated people
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They way Churches promote God through money is disgusting.
It is definitely a disgrace to Jesus himself. I can't believe people still follow these Churches.
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Originally posted by 24/7:
mai lai lah.. don't know, or pretend not to know. hao siao ...
you really lack the skills of reasoning. an appeal to ignorance will get you nowhere. show me what first statement i made before you claimed, "those trolls will support religious intolerance by supporting rony tan/ being apathetic to his rants"
hmm ... i'm beginning to realize that if you or rooney9 or any other cronies, roped in to help, think i'm making mindless rants, abstract statements or any other argument their intellect fails to help them understand, i actually find it a compliment. After all, to the village idiot, nothing makes sense to him since he is "mentally deficient and incapable of ordinary reasoning". My only concern is for you dunces not to pull other forumers down your intellectual sewage.
gee i wouldn't know. i wasn't the one who was waiting for a reply to a thread that he had thrown off track. like i alluded earlier about u- pitiful life, meaningless existence
Just before i leave, a parting thought for you. Did you know that the word "fool" in Psalm 14 of the Christian scriptures has the same root word (Greek Septuagint) as the modern word "moron"? Yet another example of scriptures being proven true!
agreed. Let the trolling begin and we just ignore the mickey mouse hee and his doggy gang lah. -
Originally posted by Tehtarlek: agreed. Let the trolling begin and we just ignore the mickey mouse
hee and his doggy gang lah.
i suspect donkey hee already sent his minions here
look at them, diverting the whole CHC issue away by talking about religious tolerance and troublemaking
wolves in sheeps clothing
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Originally posted by laurence82:
how can one be apathetic be also mean not supporting it, and yet speedily scour the forum for non-christians to bash?
wow, but this smack of total hypocrisy at the level only satan can comprehend
well, according to your definition, you are a troll...but, i welcome you...with open arms
This one is just one of the typical christian trolls. For no reason find fault and start to bash and flame. He is prowling like a lion roaring for its prey.Last time when I was a christian I did not behave like all these christian trolls here. I don't believe in creating enemity with non christians.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
Your first statement is misleading and please do not repeat that "tithing is an act of faith". It is not and you can google and find out the many explanations why it is not relevant. Don't mislead others especially non-christians. But I can accept if you says that tithing is widely taught to be an "act of faith" by some so called mega churches preaching prosperity gospel.
Rubbish. Tithing is not an act of faith, horrible! They tithe because they feel god has blessed them and in return they give God a token of what they earn.When churches want money out of satisfying their greed they will go on preach and preach rubbish to get people donate money to them. Good example is Kong Hee. Go watch the video on him preaching to christians to sell their houses to donate to church .
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Originally posted by hasene:
Rubbish. Tithing is not an act of faith, horrible! They tithe because they feel god has blessed them and in return they give God a token of what they earn.When churches want money out of satisfying their greed they will go on preach and preach rubbish to get people donate money to them. Good example is Kong Hee. Go watch the video on him preaching to christians to sell their houses to donate to church .
actually, I heard that they tithe because they believed that whatever they "give to God", they will get back many folds....hundreds, thousands, millions folds. Going by that logic, there are only trillionaire in mega churches....
No need for me to waste time watching any video....I have wasted time before watching them live.
Still, I repeat that tithing is not an act of faith in the context of how they are being preached by the meg churches.....it is no longer relavent to Christians.
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Originally posted by Tehtarlek:
actually, I heard that they tithe because they believed that whatever they "give to God", they will get back many folds....hundreds, thousands, millions folds. Going by that logic, there are only trillionaire in mega churches....
No need for me to waste time watching any video....I have wasted time before watching them live.
Still, I repeat that tithing is not an act of faith in the context of how they are being preached by the meg churches.....it is no longer relavent to Christians.
What you said in para 1 reminds me of those times I attended service at the mega churches, they preach the same to get money from christians. at that time I was uncomfortable to listen to such crap. Till today I never believe in these words of theirs. Must as well be upfront to tell christians "hey , look here I am greedy for money, please donate"