Originally posted by Pinknutri:Please highlight verses in the bible which mention all things in these world are made up of different components and are interdependent.
You dont need verses to tell u atoms and molecules.Understanding what God has done and something about how He has done it is what science is about.
"through the things He has made" (Romans 1:19-22).
Originally posted by BadzMaro:You dont need verses to tell u atoms and molecules.Understanding what God has done and something about how He has done it is what science is about.
"through the things He has made" (Romans 1:19-22).
God did not tell you what he has made and did not tell you that things in this world are interdependent. May be he himself does not know. It is Science that tells you what are things made of and Buddha is the one who tells you things on earth are all interdependent.
"through the things He has made" (Romans 1:19-22). is not precise and is anybody's guess. This verse does not mean things on earth are interdependent.
Originally posted by Rooney9:its one thing for christians to tell you you are going to hell, its another about its doctrine. Anyway if you cant see the fallacy or paradoxes, then good luck to you, because you really needed it. I am just here to explain the paradoxes of a god religion.
This is the funny part.
There are no paradoxes here. You have again shown none. These paradoxes again are created by yourself again. While you can equally believe in ... like I said, no begining and no end, why is it absurd to believe that something that has no beginning and no time to begin with ?
While I may not be no physicist, the basic understanding of E=mc^2 means that matter and energy are interchangeable. What IF, the possibilities are here, that God is not matter or energy,he is the platonic realm, i.e. the world of logic and information; the physical world is emergent from the platonic realm. When I meant God is energy, it is not energy in how we understand it. Why then is it not possible that God has been here , around us, and or/ in another plane ?
Matter and energy are part of od but not God himself. The equation
E=mc^2 is part of God, and since that is part of the platonic realm it
is closer to what God is. That is the wonders of mathematics. Where there is order and mathematics, it denotes some form of intelligence.
Dont understand ? How about the 3 laws of Thermodynamics ? If you understand how it works, you should understand that the laws cannot contradict each other.
We know matter CAN be destroyed. It's something we call nuclear fusion. U say energy ? Then what about blackholes ? Are u going to give me answers like the singularity and darkmatter energy conversion ? If that is so, how absurb that we are still trying to understand the universe and that our limited understanding is that perhaps we came to existence by matter that is already in existence ? Are u saying that science has mastered the understanding of the universe ?
We believe the universe is the answer, but damned if we know the question right ?
What if there is an eternal source ? Are u going to get on your knees unzip my pants and open your mouth when when science suddenly discovers something to explain another that has reasons to believe what we know is wrong and there is another way to explain it ? Because since u are that certain, I am sure you can put that wager on.
All I am saying is, while u are supposedly "awakening" us, perhaps I am also "awakening" you.
I dont understand how you can use both using science and false claims to empiricism and objective unbias, to make any claims they can... rhetoric... to form convincing yet unprovable arguments against God.
Originally posted by Pinknutri:God did not tell you what he has made and did not tell you that things in this world are interdependent. May be he himself does not know. It is Science that tells you what are things made of and Buddha is the one who tells you things on earth are all interdependent.
"through the things He has made" (Romans 1:19-22). is not precise and is anybody's guess. This verse does not mean things on earth are interdependent.
While it seems you need Buddha to tell you on the specifics why cant God explain to us in subtle ways, dont forget, we were also given brains to understand his creations. And through understanding his creations, like I said, we understanding Him.
Originally posted by Fugazzi:Faith is mere cowardice, an excuse to avoid thinking and evaluating or srutinizing evidence. Ít is a mere belief labelled otherwsie - nothing more nothing less! It does not allow for one to understand onself or the world around onself.
The delusion of one is insanity and the collective delusion is ORGANISED religion. ... organized why? to circumsribe, to dicate, to keep one tethered to vested interests, in fact it is per ser religion politicised for the benefit for a few who are on the top echelons of the church, temple or ... anything that is defined is dead! It is because of the fear and when one is not rooted to reality that this futurizing that something beyond us (in this instance, god) is going to save us. Is this not deluding oneself? If the hypothesis is that god created the universe and yet he/she/it is capable of being judgemental and can dictate who needs such a ''god'' ?It is a fiction and a fiction created to have people in bondage. Without the support of followers the fiction of ... cannot be maintained. It will remain as long as fear and anxiety within oneself is not reconciled or understood. Till something becomes a real experience and a reality in one's living, one can talk about it, one can endlessly quote scriptures, sutras or ... it is simply lying to oneself. When one's inner being is impoverished, nothing outside of onself would suffice and how is it possible to create/share outside for/with another or the world at large. When external factors(???) decides one's well-being or who one is or what one is, it is not a good measure of living. Where is the dignity of one''s uniqueness? Idiocy is being content with what is given, acquired or .... intelligence is inspite of being contented with what is given, told or acquired one still has still child'' sense of wonder.
I like how it has strong hints of Dawkins, I wonder if you have read the book, and if so, did you read McGraths. Good to read both.
Dont confuse Faith with the belief in God.
But your explaination is understandable.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Why not ?
Instead of seeing it as an obsession with penis and foreskin, why not intelligence on the specific time for circumcision ?
### kind of stupid for god to create the foreskin and then ask people to circumcise right ???
aiyah...........your excuses getting more and more lame leh............ brudder.............i expected much better from you leh............
Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
### kind of stupid for god to create the foreskin and then ask people to circumcise right ???
aiyah...........your excuses getting more and more lame leh............ brudder.............i expected much better from you leh............
I am no theologian. I am not omniscient. At least I understand my limitations. And I dont practice Judaism. Such intepretations are by man, and may not necessarily be what God intended. Or maybe it is ? Perhaps it is a form of covenant ? Why not u ask the necessary knowledgable parties on that ?
standard lah..............
all good things god get the credit...........
bad things satan get the blame.............
when things get confused............humans get the blame..........
### but yet Christians seem to have forgotten they're believing in a book written by humans........of course all the good positive things are God's words and deeds........................LOL
*** so why God is so black-hearted when he killed so many INNOCENT animals and humans with the Great Flood..........
### IF HUMANS WERE EVIL.............then God created evilness eh ?...............why he create such a negative thing leh ?
Shakyamuni Buddha also said that there were "millions/billions of worlds (stars, planets, solar systems) out there, as much as the sands of Ganges river".
universes actually.............and now scientists are saying there are countless universes out there.........
looks like the Christian God have been very busy for too long...........surprised haven't die of exhaustion yet............LOL
considering he took 6-7 days to just make 1 earth..............LOL.............
talk about overworked and underpaid.............
did god create dinosaurs too?
are dinosaurs christians?
are there adamosaurus and eveosaurs?
Originally posted by BadzMaro:While it seems you need Buddha to tell you on the specifics why cant God explain to us in subtle ways, dont forget, we were also given brains to understand his creations. And through understanding his creations, like I said, we understanding Him.
We were given brains but it was until thousands of years later that humans get to understand what are atoms and molecules.
Originally posted by Demon Bane:Shakyamuni Buddha also said that there were "millions/billions of worlds (stars, planets, solar systems) out there, as much as the sands of Ganges river".
This is proven. Buddha also said there were many other sentiment beings of higher intelligence out there besides humans. Aliens are yet to be proven. I believe aliens will be proven exist soon. Buddha said there were 大�世界 to describe the millions/billions of worlds.
Originally posted by Zweiz:did god create dinosaurs too?
are dinosaurs christians?
are there adamosaurus and eveosaurs?
Do dinosaurs need God to save their souls ?
In one's godliness ( eg, when one is being kind, being compassionate,be ing empathetic) one is already god! In other words, the creator and the creation are no longer divided or separate - it is the fragrance of one's being .... that is the essence of being religious.
If one does not flower from within one can go on going to places of worhsip or what-have, "God is going to shower "flowers on one, it is one's state of being .....add on that one expereinces god.
A grateful heart, a prayerful (presupposing it is not that of supplication but of gratitude) heart, a loving heart suffices; one no longer needs to go a temple, church, mosque or ...
It is delusional to assume that the creator is a ''person'' or .... that can be arrived at or be found in a book, text, sutras or historical documents!
It takes intelligence,courage to see thru the fiction and what is real.
Originally posted by Pinknutri:Do dinosaurs need God to save their souls ?
did your god create dinosaurs?
Originally posted by Pinknutri:We were given brains but it was until thousands of years later that humans get to understand what are atoms and molecules.
Exactly.. thousands of years ago.. we cannot comprehend quantum physics, atoms and molecules even if we were told what it is.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Exactly.. thousands of years ago.. we cannot comprehend quantum physics, atoms and molecules even if we were told what it is.
You are trying to confuse me but I'm alert. The problem is we were not told about atoms and molecules. You got the facts wrong, it is not that humans then did not understand, they were not told and even with the brains that god gave us, humans then did not know there were atoms and molecules till lately.
Originally posted by Zweiz:did your god create dinosaurs?
I don't believe in creator or gods.
Originally posted by Pinknutri:You are trying to confuse me but I'm alert. The problem is we were not told about atoms and molecules. You got the facts wrong, it is not that humans then did not understand, they were not told and even with the brains that god gave us, humans then did not know there were atoms and molecules till lately.
I am not trying to confuse you. I am trying to be as simple as I can to explain to you the subtleness of His design. Even if you were told then, you would not understand. But they exist regardless of whether you are told or not.Atoms and Molecules are just terms, given to explain what is already there.
The Bible simply expressed the seeming "creation" of man in words that
could readily be understood; in fact, the right term is just as you put
it - "put together."
Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Man was "formed" and "breathed" and "became". How God did it we do not
know. Perhaps the so called existing matter? He "doeth great things past
finding out; yea, and wonders without number" (Job 9:10)
Back then, they didnt know geohpysics , geotechnical and seismic, all they did then was just follow instructions, and booom... the walls of Jericho comes tumbling down.
Fastforward to now, we understood the WHY and HOW and what is that ? Its called Seismic, its called Vibrations, its called Frequencies.
Hope that further clarifies my points.
Faith is mere cowardice, an excuse to avoid thinking and evaluating or srutinizing evidence that is espoused for the hypothesis that ''God'' is the creator and the arbiter. Ít is a mere ''belief'' labelled otherwsie - nothing more nothing less! It does not allow for one to understand onself or the world around onself.
The delusion of one is insanity and the collective delusion is ORGANISED religion. ... organized why? to circumsribe, to dicate, to keep one tethered to vested interests, in fact it is per ser religion politicised (aka ideology) for the benefit for a few who are on the top echelons of the church, temple or ... anything that is defined is dead! In fact why is there a need for a mediator to expereince "God" or whatever one assumes to be divine. It is because of the fear and when one is not rooted to reality that this futurizing that something beyond us (in this instance, god) is going to save us that is being exploited by those hoisted on the pedestal of theology. Is this not deluding oneself? If the hypothesis is that god created the universe and yet he/she/it is capable of being judgemental and can dictate who needs such a ''god'' ?
When one's mirror is thick with the dust of the past, one cannot see clearly what is - one is most likely to project was one has collected within and superimpose on what is herenow or right in front of one. Hence the stance is this: one only sees what one wants to see,and inexorably what is bound to be missed and distorted is the perception. One cannot respond to what is. One merely reacts and all one does is use the past. The past is dead, it is only ''alive'' in the mind. It is akin to one who is holding on to an expired cheque and trying to validate it. Yes, it is given validity most times, but the validity is merely psychological and divorced from what is reality or what is real. A such one can only be relating to ''ghosts'' of the past. The wise is cognizant of such a stance and its inherent folly n knows and accepts that the illusion of certainty cannot co-exist with existential uncertainty. At the most, one is clutching at straws of certainty (aka past)! Beliefs bind and what is true (not truth) frees.
It takes intelligence and courage to see thru this undignifying charade. Simply, quoting texts, historical documents or even so-called religious tomes is woefully befitting of this sobriquet: apathy and fear!
Originally posted by Pinknutri:
I don't believe in creator or gods.
can i introduce you to jesusosaurs, who sacrificed himself for the sins of all dinosaurs?
Jesus would have been...........J-Rex.............LOL
Originally posted by Demon Bane:Shakyamuni Buddha also said that there were "millions/billions of worlds (stars, planets, solar systems) out there, as much as the sands of Ganges river".
just as scientists are saying now.......................
so not only 1 universe as christians think.................
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