“However compassion alone does not lead to wisdom, and compassion without wisdom only leads to rebirth in higher samsaric realms.”
Okay..Buddha does believe in both wisdom and compassion to achieve nirvana. But I think he just share his dharma realities and his insights, as he has understood them. But I don't think he claim the final ultimate authoritative in his dharma reality experience and insight. I never say annica, dukkha, annata, and dependent origination are false, but in fact are true. Achieving No Self is not difficult.. thinking, but no thinker... seeing & hearing, but no seer..
So back to TS message, if everyone does able to achieve No Self, does it mean it make the society more compassionate. The answer is no. My opinion is that Buddha sees this point. It is as if, we have more christians who would want to bring in more lame and maimed from streets to tell them about Jesus, and Jesus will save them... and leave these forumers to talk about confusing chemalogy... and Jesus is the solution... “so simple, why don't you get it” they say.. hahaha... We have confused Pope who cannot figure how come child sex abuse by priest on the rise. Maybe need more cane and more rules...lololol Then we have Mingyi (sorry to use him), that everyone should agree that he is awakened as per Buddhism definition of enlightened beings. Maybe more awakenment needed.. very cheam..lol... The point is that you guys are drowned by your own dogma. Put away your chemalogy.. put away your dogma.. u dont need to see christainity in viewpoint of Buddhism.. u also dont need to see Buddhism in viewpoint of christianity...
For a christian, i say do you practise churchtanity or true christianity. For a buddhist, do you practise idol worship or buddha-nature followers. They all forget their first principle (perhaps actually they don't love their first principle), but love their dogma so much. All religions are man-made, some made of mythology and some made of chemalogy. Maybe we should make Fugazzi-ism .. woot very nice.. hehe.. we just end up with another man-made religion.
You say about rebirth, realms etc. But these are out of this forum topic. Rebirth, Karma and Realms are just dogma. Whether I persuade you about these un-realities, it is not helpful. It is okay to believe in karma.
Organized religion(s) of any denomination when it is be observed and shared out of one's fullness (within) is not about one man’s belief against another, but that which serves as catalyst by his being ...(fill in what comes to mind, eg loving, divisive, kind or ...) and an opportunity for others to gravitates towards one inner source of being, ie, all are the same at the centre. One was never born a Hindu nor a Christian nor a .... Is there such a thing as Hindu truth or Christian or Buddhist truth? In fact truth as such does not exist. What exists is relatively true and truth is always relative to what is and it is everchanging. One is not born a Chinese or an Indian or a Buddhist or a ... one is *''programmed''/''conditioned'' since one''s birth to be a Chinese or an ... . It is ''ok'' to practice any religion but when it (*) is not transcended one is still unfree! When one is unself conscious (ie, a porous ego) there is a possibility. One is merely stuck with rituals and regurgitating what has been told via books,sutras,priests,pastors. Is there any dignity in being human and yet consigned to servitude?
Originally posted by TrueReppuzan:
“However compassion alone does not lead to wisdom, and compassion without wisdom only leads to rebirth in higher samsaric realms.”
Okay..Buddha does believe in both wisdom and compassion to achieve nirvana. But I think he just share his dharma realities and his insights, as he has understood them. But I don't think he claim the final ultimate authoritative in his dharma reality experience and insight. I never say annica, dukkha, annata, and dependent origination are false, but in fact are true. Achieving No Self is not difficult.. thinking, but no thinker... seeing & hearing, but no seer..
So back to TS message, if everyone does able to achieve No Self, does it mean it make the society more compassionate. The answer is no. My opinion is that Buddha sees this point. It is as if, we have more christians who would want to bring in more lame and maimed from streets to tell them about Jesus, and Jesus will save them... and leave these forumers to talk about confusing chemalogy... and Jesus is the solution... “so simple, why don't you get it” they say.. hahaha... We have confused Pope who cannot figure how come child sex abuse by priest on the rise. Maybe need more cane and more rules...lololol Then we have Mingyi (sorry to use him), that everyone should agree that he is awakened as per Buddhism definition of enlightened beings. Maybe more awakenment needed.. very cheam..lol... The point is that you guys are drowned by your own dogma. Put away your chemalogy.. put away your dogma.. u dont need to see christainity in viewpoint of Buddhism.. u also dont need to see Buddhism in viewpoint of christianity...
For a christian, i say do you practise churchtanity or true christianity. For a buddhist, do you practise idol worship or buddha-nature followers. They all forget their first principle (perhaps actually they don't love their first principle), but love their dogma so much. All religions are man-made, some made of mythology and some made of chemalogy. Maybe we should make Fugazzi-ism .. woot very nice.. hehe.. we just end up with another man-made religion.
You say about rebirth, realms etc. But these are out of this forum topic. Rebirth, Karma and Realms are just dogma. Whether I persuade you about these un-realities, it is not helpful. It is okay to believe in karma.
Rebirth is no longer dogma. Many scientists are looking into it and have written books about reincarnation. One famous doctor is Dr. Ian Steveson. Read the link below.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWCUjx4nI98
http://www.esolibris.com/articles/reincarnation/reincarnation_stevenson.php
yes...........i read an article written by Western scientists and they concluded not only do reincarnation makes sense..........but it's actually needed......
anyway there are literally tons and tons and countless proven cases of rebirth............what's there to talk about anymore ???
when there's no physical reality...........isn't it obvious enough ?
Originally posted by TrueReppuzan:
“However compassion alone does not lead to wisdom, and compassion without wisdom only leads to rebirth in higher samsaric realms.”
Okay..Buddha does believe in both wisdom and compassion to achieve nirvana. But I think he just share his dharma realities and his insights, as he has understood them. But I don't think he claim the final ultimate authoritative in his dharma reality experience and insight. I never say annica, dukkha, annata, and dependent origination are false, but in fact are true. Achieving No Self is not difficult.. thinking, but no thinker... seeing & hearing, but no seer..
So back to TS message, if everyone does able to achieve No Self, does it mean it make the society more compassionate. The answer is no. My opinion is that Buddha sees this point. It is as if, we have more christians who would want to bring in more lame and maimed from streets to tell them about Jesus, and Jesus will save them... and leave these forumers to talk about confusing chemalogy... and Jesus is the solution... “so simple, why don't you get it” they say.. hahaha... We have confused Pope who cannot figure how come child sex abuse by priest on the rise. Maybe need more cane and more rules...lololol Then we have Mingyi (sorry to use him), that everyone should agree that he is awakened as per Buddhism definition of enlightened beings. Maybe more awakenment needed.. very cheam..lol... The point is that you guys are drowned by your own dogma. Put away your chemalogy.. put away your dogma.. u dont need to see christainity in viewpoint of Buddhism.. u also dont need to see Buddhism in viewpoint of christianity...
For a christian, i say do you practise churchtanity or true christianity. For a buddhist, do you practise idol worship or buddha-nature followers. They all forget their first principle (perhaps actually they don't love their first principle), but love their dogma so much. All religions are man-made, some made of mythology and some made of chemalogy. Maybe we should make Fugazzi-ism .. woot very nice.. hehe.. we just end up with another man-made religion.
You say about rebirth, realms etc. But these are out of this forum topic. Rebirth, Karma and Realms are just dogma. Whether I persuade you about these un-realities, it is not helpful. It is okay to believe in karma.
Rebirth and karma is not a dogma. People in my forum have remembered their past lives and traced their karmas. It is possible through Buddhist meditation.
Do know that whatever the Buddha realized, we too can experience it ourselves. None of them is theory. All of them are facts that can be observed.
Next: No Self is not 'achieved'. It is realized. As I have mentioned before:
First I do not see Anatta as merely a freeing from personality
sort of experience as you mentioned; I see it as that a self/agent, a
doer, a thinker, a watcher, etc, cannot be found apart from the moment
to moment flow of manifestation or as its commonly expressed as ‘the
observer is the observed’; there is no self apart from arising and
passing. A very important point here is that Anatta/No-Self is a Dharma
Seal, it is the nature of Reality all the time -- and not merely as a
state free from personality, ego or the ‘small self’ or a stage to
attain. This means that it does not depend on the level of achievement of a practitioner to experience anatta but Reality has always been Anatta and what is important here is the intuitive insight into it as the nature, characteristic, of phenomenon (dharma seal).
To put further emphasis on the importance of this point, I would like to borrow from the Bahiya Sutta (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.1.10.irel.html)
that ‘in the seeing, there is just the seen, no seer’, ‘in the hearing,
there is just the heard, no hearer’ as an illustration. When a person
says that I have gone beyond the experiences from ‘I hear sound’ to a
stage of ‘becoming sound’, he is mistaken. When it is taken to be a
stage, it is illusory. For in actual case, there is and always is only
sound when hearing; never was there a hearer to begin with. Nothing
attained for it is always so. This is the seal of no-self. Therefore to a
non dualist, the practice is in understanding the illusionary views of
the sense of self and the split. Before the awakening of prajna wisdom,
there will always be an unknowing attempt to maintain a purest state of
'presence'. This purest presence is the 'how' of a dualistic mind -- its
dualistic attempt to provide a solution due to its lack of clarity of
the spontaneous nature of the unconditioned. It is critical to note here
that both the doubts/confusions/searches and the solutions that are
created for these doubts/confusions/searches actually derive from the
same cause -- our karmic propensities of ever seeing things
dualistically
gtg for now.. maybe post more later
oh btw, I don't think Ven Ming Yi is enlightened. At least, I haven't read or found any indications of it.
This is the reason why the Buddha refused to teach at first:
I have heard that on one occasion, when the Blessed One was newly Self-awakened, he was staying at Uruvela on the bank of the Nerañjara River, at the foot of the Goatherd's Banyan Tree. Then, while he was alone and in seclusion, this line of thinking arose in his awareness: "This Dhamma that I have attained is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, peaceful, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. But this generation delights in attachment, is excited by attachment, enjoys attachment. For a generation delighting in attachment, excited by attachment, enjoying attachment, this/that conditionality and dependent co-arising are hard to see. This state, too, is hard to see: the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding. And if I were to teach the Dhamma and if others would not understand me, that would be tiresome for me, troublesome for me."
Just then these verses, unspoken in the past, unheard before, occurred to the Blessed One:
As the Blessed One reflected thus, his mind inclined to dwelling at ease, not to teaching the Dhamma.
Then Brahma Sahampati, having known with his own awareness the line of thinking in the Blessed One's awareness, thought: "The world is lost! The world is destroyed! The mind of the Tathagata, the Arahant, the Rightly Self-awakened One inclines to dwelling at ease, not to teaching the Dhamma!" Then, just as a strong man might extend his flexed arm or flex his extended arm, Brahma Sahampati disappeared from the Brahma-world and reappeared in front of the Blessed One. Arranging his upper robe over one shoulder, he knelt down with his right knee on the ground, saluted the Blessed One with his hands before his heart, and said to him: "Lord, let the Blessed One teach the Dhamma! Let the One-Well-Gone teach the Dhamma! There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma."
That is what Brahma Sahampati said. Having said that, he further said this:
Then the Blessed One, having understood Brahma's invitation, out of compassion for beings, surveyed the world with the eye of an Awakened One. As he did so, he saw beings with little dust in their eyes and those with much, those with keen faculties and those with dull, those with good attributes and those with bad, those easy to teach and those hard, some of them seeing disgrace and danger in the other world. Just as in a pond of blue or red or white lotuses, some lotuses — born and growing in the water — might flourish while immersed in the water, without rising up from the water; some might stand at an even level with the water; while some might rise up from the water and stand without being smeared by the water — so too, surveying the world with the eye of an Awakened One, the Blessed One saw beings with little dust in their eyes and those with much, those with keen faculties and those with dull, those with good attributes and those with bad, those easy to teach and those hard, some of them seeing disgrace and danger in the other world.
Having seen this, he answered Brahma Sahampati in verse:
Then Brahma Sahampati, thinking, "The Blessed One has given his consent to teach the Dhamma," bowed down to the Blessed One and, circling him on the right, disappeared right there.
listen to An Eternal Now and wake up, all wishful thinkers and dreamers.......
HE originally teaches the Middle Way....a balanced way towards salvation of your own soul
eh, i thought you're a christian ?
wahhhh so deep leh..............