Morality was apply within only a particular tribe’s agreements, and the rightness of action on its collective mood towards addressing other groups, it’s individuated and localized to only particular groupings, and really should have reality within the attendant cultural paradigms who agree with it. But the Israelites had a specific worldview, and they imposed that worldview; that radical new world view was monotheism. The eating off this tree of knowledge of good and bad has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh’s good design for creation. The drama of humanity’s life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh’s design for this kind of drama. It’s the power of moral choice alone that is godlike.
Morality’s about balance and survival, and the methods aren’t as important as the mannerisms in preserving humanity for eons instead of centuries, as humanity is walking in the footsteps of so called ancient civilizations in odious and strange ways. A pop culture where the modus litany puts valuables before values, character, ethic, writes a recipe for ruin. The error is as deep as the nature of man, humanity cannot expect any deliverance from it so long as the nature of man continues the same, and humanity’s natural love of truth almost as depraved as humanity’s natural love of holiness. Humanity has before it the opportunity to become a conscious cooperator, no longer must we be merely unconscious players at the mercy of forces and energies beyond our control. Today we are intelligent enough and conscious enough to see the patterns and cycles that converge to form human destiny. Today humanity can take an active part in molding that destiny and not be simply the unwitting subject of the forces of change. But awaiting humanity is the Day of Yahweh, a popular idea among the Israelites, that on some future occasion, Yahweh would dramatically intervene in world affairs and he would do so on Israel’s behalf. He would lead Israel in victory over her enemies. They would be punished. Israel would be restored to her full and former glory.
Remember those covenants,
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Morality is no longer valid in the new covenant.Salvation is a free gift that all you have to do is just receive free of charge.
Originally posted by Pujamonth:Morality is no longer valid in the new covenant.Salvation is a free gift that all you have to do is just receive free of charge.
my former colleague told me all she need to do is to pray every night and asked for forgiveness. she's very sure she will go to heaven just like that.
she's the rudest person i have ever known all my life. commit a sin, ask for forgiveness then commit the same thing again the next morning and ask for forgiveness again the following night. amazing doctrine!!
It is hard to overcome our old nature, the struggle of it all. If one is not caught up in that gathing together, that one will face the Day of Yahweh. I too wish to get caught up myself, but it is a struggle to walk in that newnature. The Day of Yahweh is a coming, tripe stuff?
Originally posted by Newnature:It is hard to overcome our old nature, the struggle of it all. If one is not caught up in that gathing together, that one will face the Day of Yahweh. I too wish to get caught up myself, but it is a struggle to walk in that newnature. The Day of Yahweh is a coming, tripe stuff?
You don't need to overcome the old nature. In fact nobody can overcome it. That is why Jesus Christ had to die for our sins.
the jews wrote the bible.
therefore, God is forever on the side of the jews.
if God is forever on the side of the jews, then God cannot be fair to all.
But then again, the author is a Jew.
Originally posted by Pujamonth:Morality is no longer valid in the new covenant.Salvation is a free gift that all you have to do is just receive free of charge.
faith without work is dead...
Originally posted by dragg:my former colleague told me all she need to do is to pray every night and asked for forgiveness. she's very sure she will go to heaven just like that.
she's the rudest person i have ever known all my life. commit a sin, ask for forgiveness then commit the same thing again the next morning and ask for forgiveness again the following night. amazing doctrine!!
wah..so good..so i can just be a douchebag all the way..at night pray to ask for forgiveness and the next day i can have the free pass to make people life miserable again??awesome..but confirm go heaven??where to sign up??got cost??hidden cost??
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
faith without work is dead...
I can be sure that you are not using the King James Bible. You have misunderstood Christianity. God hates self-righteousness and works are self-righteousness.
Originally posted by Oldies are good!:I can be sure that you are not using the King James Bible. You have misunderstood Christianity. God hates self-righteousness and works are self-righteousness.
so we dont need to do good to go to heaven? just ask for forgiveness and thats it?
to dragg
do we need to ask our parents for forgiveness of our wrongs in order to stay in the same house as them? will they disown us and renounce our family ties cos we did many wrongs from young?
Originally posted by despondent:to dragg
do we need to ask our parents for forgiveness of our wrongs in order to stay in the same house as them? will they disown us and renounce our family ties cos we did many wrongs from young?
But if we continue to defy them, rebel against their wishes and treat them badly, they will not force us to continue this relationship since we clearly do not want it, even though they still continue to love us.
Likewise, the Lord will not force His salvation on anyone who show through their actions that they do not desire this salvation.
correct...but dragg is asking if just asking for forgiveness is enuff and i am telling that yes, as long we ask forgiveness and truly repentant, tats enuff...juz like how it will be enuff for our parents to accept us again in their bosom if we did the same to them...
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
wah..so good..so i can just be a douchebag all the way..at night pray to ask for forgiveness and the next day i can have the free pass to make people life miserable again??awesome..but confirm go heaven??where to sign up??got cost??hidden cost??
Do you remember when Christ was nailed to the cross he just turned to the criminals and told them they will be in paradise with him? So in this instance, forgiveness and repentence are just not applicable to go paradise. hahah
he told the one who repented tat he will be in paradise wif him...read the bible carefully...he said tat to only 1 of the 2 criminals...the one who told jesus: remember me oh Lord...
Originally posted by despondent:correct...but dragg is asking if just asking for forgiveness is enuff and i am telling that yes, as long we ask forgiveness and truly repentant, tats enuff...juz like how it will be enuff for our parents to accept us again in their bosom if we did the same to them...
correct. just asking for forgivenness alone is not enough. you have to repent. but then look around you. how many people are truly repentent? many have the misconception they will go to heaven just because they accepted christ. there are those who professed their love for god but yet cant even love the people around them.
do we inherit or learn everything from our parents all at one go or do we take a lifetime or maybe perhaps nvr able to achieve teh values they teach us? its the same wif christians...its imperfect ppl learning from a perfect God...but the impt pt is do we get disowned or chased out of the house permanently cos we fail to pick up the gd values of our parents? likewise, jus cos christians are bad dun mean God throw them out of heaven...its a parent-child r/s we are toking abt here...different from other religions...
Originally posted by despondent:he told the one who repented tat he will be in paradise wif him...read the bible carefully...he said tat to only 1 of the 2 criminals...the one who told jesus: remember me oh Lord...
Just quote me where in the bible said that this criminal who called Jesus Lord is a believer and accept God into their lives.
its in all the 4 gospels...go read up...near the end when jesus was crucified...the bible didnt say he was a believer b4 he was crucified but he honoured jesus as he hung on the cross in contrast to the other criminal...jesus turned to him and told him tat he will join Him in paradise...
Originally posted by despondent:do we inherit or learn everything from our parents all at one go or do we take a lifetime or maybe perhaps nvr able to achieve teh values they teach us? its the same wif christians...its imperfect ppl learning from a perfect God...but the impt pt is do we get disowned or chased out of the house permanently cos we fail to pick up the gd values of our parents? likewise, jus cos christians are bad dun mean God throw them out of heaven...its a parent-child r/s we are toking abt here...different from other religions...
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Originally posted by despondent:its in all the 4 gospels...go read up...near the end when jesus was crucified...the bible didnt say he was a believer b4 he was crucified but he honoured jesus as he hung on the cross in contrast to the other criminal...jesus turned to him and told him tat he will join Him in paradise...
OK, now I know those who honour Jesus and continue to sin will go paradise. Thank you.
But, hold on, it is contradicting isn't it. Jesus mentioned not all who called him Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Ummmmm . .. . .. .
to dragg
do we need to do good in order to be a family member in our house? no...juz simply cos we are born from our parents qualify us to live under the same roof as them...did we have to accumulate good works in order to live wif them? unless we are referring to those cases where the parents dun want the baby and abandon it...
Originally posted by despondent:to dragg
do we need to do good in order to be a family member in our house? no...juz simply cos we are born from our parents qualify us to live under the same roof as them...did we have to accumulate good works in order to live wif them? unless we are referring to those cases where the parents dun want the baby and abandon it...
Such logic. So it is ok for children who have parents to go round sinning , killing, robbing and so on la because good works does not matter.
Isn't there a reap and sow verse or verses to tell Christians to behave well? I am sure I read it in the bible. Whatever the christians do they will have to face the consequences. Want to do bad work can la, face the law and be punished lor.
to shanfan
correct...the context for tat scripture is referring to those who knew abt jesus way b4 they were near death...like if i 1st accepted christ when i was 20, i am expected to work towards living a godly life until i die...i will still sin cos i am still not perfect...however its the effort tat counts most to God...its like tis, if ur child studied very hard for his exam yet he came back wif a fail grade, will u still scold/cane him or worse throw him out of the house cos he failed? when i was growing up, my parents always told me tat if i studied hard and failed, they wun get angry...but if i failed cos i was lazy and dint study, they will be angry...
so for a 20yr old who accepted christ and lead a life sinning wilfully, then the qn will be whether he was truly saved in the 1st place...these are the ones jeus was referring to who will say Lord, Lord but will have no place in heaven cos they were not truly saved in the 1st place...
for eg, if i received christ cos i want to be bless or if i receive christ cos its good to do so, these ppl may not be truly saved cos the significance of salvation is not so tat we can be blessed or tat its good to be saved, rather its cos we acknowledge the love of God, Jesus death on the cross for our sins and tat Jeus is our Lord and saviour...if today we come from a stable family, do we live wif our parents cos they are rich, happy or do we live wif them simply cos they gave birth to us, provided for us and loved us??? same for God, we acknowledge tat he created us, loves us and tat heaven is home to those who are willing to turn back and reconcile the parent-child r/s which was broken when adam fell...