i am using another parallel...God lives in heaven while humans on earth...so since God is God and man is man, then can i say tat Heaven is heaven, earth is earth? since God and man cannot compare, so can we still compare heaven and earth? tats wad i am driving at and u saw it as picking a quarrel? my apologies then
Originally posted by despondent:i am using another parallel...God lives in heaven while humans on earth...so since God is God and man is man, then can i say tat Heaven is heaven, earth is earth? since God and man cannot compare, so can we still compare heaven and earth? tats wad i am driving at and u saw it as picking a quarrel? my apologies then
Is this so much you can say of God as a child of his? You mean you cannot accept the truth that there are people like me (whom you have not come across) deem God as the highest and the special and sinless one not to be compared with any human beings. The most of all God is holy, humans are not.
He sets the standard, he be the judge.
perhaps this is the part of me tat remains imperfect and i need to learn to perfect? all christians are imperfect in different ways...
cos if we go by ur analogy tat God is most high and only one who is holy(which is true), then how can imperfect human beings accumulating good works ever get us to heaven? i am assuming of cos tat u believe good works are needed for salvation...
Just work with the good motive for the common goal in what God wants. This I believe will make Him happy.
Originally posted by despondent:cos if we go by ur analogy tat God is most high and only one who is holy(which is true), then how can imperfect human beings accumulating good works ever get us to heaven? i am assuming of cos tat u believe good works are needed for salvation...
Well, do you always judge people on they do good works or what you want them to be?
If a christian truly demonstrates his love for god with a sincere heart, alll the good things will follow. So what is wrong when a christian do good to others? Do you want christians to sin by doing bad things to others?
nth is wrong definitely when christians do good to others...my posts are more to answer ppl who qn why good works alone cannot get them to heaven...answer is simply cos they are not children of God...
Originally posted by despondent:nth is wrong definitely when christians do good to others...my posts are more to answer ppl who qn why good works alone cannot get them to heaven...answer is simply cos they are not children of God...
In christianity, good works alone are not the key to heaven. One must accept Christ and be repentent.
The good fruit of the spirit will naturally produce good works.
Yeah, salvation is only by God ah......
ah, tats cos we are christians...but non-christians may not see it liek tat...to them, good works are needed to get to heaven(if they do believe in heaven)...tats where i qn how did heaven come into existence(since they dun believe in creation), who judges the works they do if they are good enuff and who determines wads gd and bad...
Originally posted by despondent:ah, tats cos we are christians...but non-christians may not see it liek tat...to them, good works are needed to get to heaven(if they do believe in heaven)...tats where i qn how did heaven come into existence(since they dun believe in creation), who judges the works they do if they are good enuff and who determines wads gd and bad...
They don't know christianity, please pardon them.
we do but do they pardon us? by this i dun mean retaliate cos they dun but since they ask qns, then we answer them lor...
Originally posted by despondent:we do but do they pardon us? by this i dun mean retaliate cos they dun but since they ask qns, then we answer them lor...
Why bother, just preach to the willing la. Those not willing leave them alone. Have you not been taught that planting seeds and let them grow, when it is god's will they will become christians, if not they will never be. No need be hard on yourself and them. Cool ! If they not receptive, just pray for them. No point arguing or fight.
God already said so that it is he who chooses not the human beings, so let his will be done. Frankly, I did not have problem with non christians never let me off leh. Cos I respect them.
ah, so u believe in predestination? the teaching of being elected? ok, tats a different stand from mine...
Originally posted by despondent:ah, so u believe in predestination? the teaching of being elected? ok, tats a different stand from mine...
what you talking about huh? The christians just preach and leave the results to God. That is what I was taught. It is in the bible that states that God is the one who chooses not human beings. What is so wrong?
where in my post did i say u are wrong? i was juz commenting tat wad u believe/have been taught is called predestination which is calvinistic...nvm, in layman terms simply means ur belief in being elected by God is not sth every christian has been taught...whether rite or wrong doctrine, only God noes...
mei wan mei liao, tsk tsk tsk. predestined or not it is God to judge .
So I supposed you will use force and deliberate words to force people to accept.
all these is cos christians are imperfect ppl trying hard to understand the words of a perfect God...the only common point is the belief tat we are saved by grace through faith for good works, tat jesus is Son of God born of virgin mary and tat God is 3-in-1...most issues other than these are debatable but not impt for salvation, only for knowledge and teaching purposes...
the issue is abt whether we are predestined or given freewill to choose...and this issue has existed for centuries...but most impt thing remains whether we truly believe who God is and acknowledge Him...tats all...
Originally posted by despondent:the issue is abt whether we are predestined or given freewill to choose...and this issue has existed for centuries...but most impt thing remains whether we truly believe who God is and acknowledge Him...tats all...
You bring up a good point. Christianity is mostly about God's will.
2 christians fighting? You guys should go to the street to see babes. Many babes.
goon almond cookies, despondent and I are discussing.
Originally posted by despondent:the issue is abt whether we are predestined or given freewill to choose...and this issue has existed for centuries...but most impt thing remains whether we truly believe who God is and acknowledge Him...tats all...
whatever you believe is only your belief. its only as good as a guess.
nobody can say for sure if there is a god.
btw god lives in heaven? where and what is heaven? and what does god do everyday?
there are a lot of things that cannot be explained. its all a i-believe-game.
Originally posted by dragg:whatever you believe is only your belief. its only as good as a guess.
nobody can say for sure if there is a god.
btw god lives in heaven? where and what is heaven? and what does god do everyday?
there are a lot of things that cannot be explained. its all a i-believe-game.
not everyone in this world believes in a god. some believe in god existence, some dun and some dun care. but using science to prove does god, exists, the answer is a no.
well, to me it makes sense for God to be self-existent and exist outside of creation, time and matter...i would explain it using numbers vs the infinity...the finity is part of the numerical series yet it is unique cos it does not have a value, cannot be reduced or increased...my opinion though is mine alone...