Christianity and Vegetarianism
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I found some interesting moral on glory of God towards his beloved creatures of his creation that ought to be loved through vegetarianism - by Rondi Elliott.
The Old Testament is very specific when it comes to what "God said" that we should eat. In the first chapter of the Bible, Genesis I, there is a clear mandate in 1:29: "Behold, I have given you every tree with seed in its fruit; this you shall have for food." This was God's intent in the Garden of Eden, but, humans being imperfect, things changed.
"for the shedding of lifeblood, I will surely require a reckoning" (Genesis 9:2-5). What seems to be the point is that if we unnecessarily kill an animal, we will be accountable to our Creator. Of course, we now know that eating flesh is by no means necessary for human health; in fact, there is much evidence that it is, in fact, unhealthy to stray from a plant-based diet!
From The Gospel of the Holy Twelve, trans. by G.J. Ouseley:
"The fruit of the trees and the seeds and of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the spirit into my flesh and blood. Of these alone and their like shall ye eat who believe in me and are my disciples; for of these, in the spirit, come life and health and healing unto man."
"Not by shedding innocent blood, but by living a righteous life shall ye find the peace of God .... Blessed are they who keep this law; for God is manifested in all creatures. All creatures live in God, and God is hid in them..."
In this Gospel, God is called Abba-Amma, which means Father-Mother; Jesus is spoken of as Jesu-Maria. The Angel tells Mary: "Ye shall eat no flesh nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from his mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take."The wise men who came from the East " had purified themselves and tasted not of flesh nor of strong drink that they might find the Christ whom they sought." As they followed the star "they forgot for a little their weary beasts who had borne the burden and the heat of the day, and were thirsty and fainting; and the star was hidden from their sight.
He protects a lion that men mere pursuing with stones and javelins.
': But Jesus rebuked them, saying 'Why hunt ye these creatures of God, which are more noble than you? By the cruelties of many generations, those were made the enemies of man which should have been his friends.
" ' If the power of God is shown in them so also are shown his long suffering and compassion. Cease ye to persecute this creature who desireth not to harm you; see ye not how he fleeth from you, and is terrified by your violence ? ' "
The food of John was the fruit of the locust tree and wild honey. And to all he spake, saying: " Keep yourselves from blood and things strangled, and from dead bodies of birds and beasts, and from all deeds of cruelty and from all that is gotten of wrong.
The disciples mere forbidden to eat flesh food. "Eat that which is set before you, but of that which is gotten by taking life, touch not, for it is not lawful to you.
Jesus bids us to be considerate of all creatures, and not of man alone. "Be ye therefore considerate, be tender, be pitiful, are to them as gods, to whom they look in their needs."
Jesus states definitely that He came to end the blood sacrifices and feasts of blood; He also said: "I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood; and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the math of God shall not cease from you; even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and did sat to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them.?
Jesus straightly charged all who believe in him to eat only of the fruit of the tree and the herbs. "For of the fruit of the trees and the seeds of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the spirit into my flesh and blood. Of these alone and their like shall ye eat who believe in Me and are My disciples ; for of these, in the spirit, come life and health and healing unto man. ... ..
"Verily I say unto you. in the beginning all creatures of God did find their sustenance in the herbs and the fruits of the earth alone, till the ignorance and selfishness of man turneth many of them to that which was contrary to their original use : but even these shall yet return to their natural food ; as it is written in the Prophets, and their words shall not fail." (Re-printed from "MIRA" Poona)
May God bless all, Amen
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in the end, the father of the prodigal son ordered that the fatted calf be slaughtered and they had a feast because his prodigal son returned to him...
the father of the prodigal son was a righteous man..
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Jewish philosopher, physician and jurist, born in Spain. He codified Jewish law in Mishneh Torah (1180).
Extracts from 'Guide for the Perplexed' as quoted in The Extended Circle by Jon Wynne-Tyson:
It should not be believed that all beings exist for the sake of the existence of man. On the contrary, all the other beings too have been intended for their own sakes and not for the sake of anything else.
[Regarding animals and their offspring], there is no difference between the pain of humans and the pain of other living beings, since the love and tenderness of the mother for the young are not produced by reasoning, but by feeling, and this faculty exists not only in humans but in most living beings.
a note from a visitor to this site:
I believe Maimonides argued that the consumption of meat is necessary for health, ordained by G-d, and made acceptable by following the laws of shechita, or ritual slaughter. While Maimonides was definitely concerned about the unnecessary suffering of animals the notion that he generally advocated or practiced vegetarainism is probably incorrect. -
Please repent and go back to mainstream Christianity.You have strayed from the mainstream Christianity which is the right one.
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What God said in the Bible is actually what someone said that God said. And he write it down to the best of his knowledge in the Hebrew Script what God said. Then someone translated that ancient Hebrew Script of what God said into English. Then what God said is now in English. <sound of forehead slap>
Do you hear that?
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Amituofo!
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Originally posted by fibytprsu:
Amituofo!
See?! Vegetarianism does not belong to Christianity.It belongs to Buddhism and Hinduism.Vegetarians are not Christians.:( -
Originally posted by Divinediscontent:
See?! Vegetarianism does not belong to Christianity.It belongs to Buddhism and Hinduism.Vegetarians are not Christians.:(Cool down! The bible that the christians base on teaches there is judgement. Let this teaching that you deem is not the correct teaching of Christianity be judged when God calls for it.
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Originally posted by fibytprsu:
Cool down! The bible that the christians base on teaches there is judgement. Let this teaching that you deem is not the correct teaching of Christianity be judged when God calls for it.
I feel depressed after reading this post of yours and that explains why I stop surfing sgforums for a while.I am not angry. -
Originally posted by Divinediscontent:
I feel depressed after reading this post of yours and that explains why I stop surfing sgforums for a while.I am not angry.The post of mine speaks the truth about the bible. There will be judgement by God, this is what christianity is teaching.
It can be depressing when you are down to read some sidetrack theory on Christianity. Isn't it what is stated that this is happening in the last days before Jesus come?
Take heart.
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what is mainstream?
no such thing lar
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Originally posted by laurence82:
what is mainstream?
no such thing lar
Mainstream refers to the normal church Catholic, Methodist, Pentelcostal, Presbyterian, Baptist . . .. ..
Non main stream Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Scientology, ./ . ..
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god is a bloodthirsty old psychopath of a FARKING BASTARD................
so what vegetarianism....................???
he'll rather eat animals alive.................
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Some christians believe that vegetarianism is biblical.
BUT I have met many local christians who think that vegetarianism is not biblical.
One such christian even told me that a christian cannot be a vegetarian.
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God ever ask for animal sacrifice mah......................
so without MAN...................GOD can't eat.....................LOL
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Every year on that PARTICULAR DAY, thousands of sheeps / goats are slaughtered to commemorate the sacrifice of sheep offered by God in the place of that bullshit prophet's son.
It really makes me sad. Can't they commemorate this bullshit event by ENACTING with MOCK SHEEP. I don't think using MOCK SHEEP as substitute would in any way undermine the religious significance of the ritual.
I don't buy the arguement that the mutton from this ritual are donated to the poor as a justification for the sacrifice. The mutton donation is just a SECONDARY "BY-PRODUCT" objective. There are many ways to feed the poor. Do you really need to kill thousands of sheep on that particular day to help the poor??????
I can't accept the fact that animal lives must be sacrifice to satisfy one's religious ego.
I advice buddhist leaders to refrain from participating in this annual event. Their attendance is seen as an endorsement of such animal sacrifice. Don't worry that buddhist will be seen as not supportive of inter-faith integration. Don't attend just one event does not mean anything.
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I'm find with animal killing for meat, because I eat meat myself.
But I think it's the way they kill the sheep that is not advisable. They slit the throat and let it bleed to death. This is not according to worldwide slaughtering standards which require stunning the animal into shock first before killing.
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Anyone can answer me?
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Originally posted by Divinediscontent:
See?! Vegetarianism does not belong to Christianity.It belongs to Buddhism and Hinduism.Vegetarians are not Christians.:(Divinediscontent
You are so judgemental. There are many kinds of christians. Some are vegetarians, some are not. It doesn't mean if they are different from you, they are wrong
Get it you narrowminded - DIFFERENT NOT EQUALS TO WRONG
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Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".
Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.
Experimental Details:
1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.
2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.
3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.
4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.
5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.
Results and Discussion:
I - Halal Method
1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.
2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.
3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.
4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.
II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning
1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.
2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.
3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.
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@Tcmc - Allow me to ask you this question. Was stunning an alternative thousands of years ago or even a hundred years ago? Even with all the technology we have now, Islamic way of slaughtering is proven to be the most humane method of slaughtering an animal. This "halal" method was a direct commandment from God himself to our prophet and not some method our prophet decided to invent himself.