1+1+1 = 1 ?
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Ignore him, he is the clone with many clones
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
ex christians thought they believed God but they actually didn't know what they believe. There is no such thing a non trinity christian. For those who claim they are ex christians, they should first ask if they were actually christians before, or just church goers? there are still many church goers today!
Base on case by case basis, there is no one judgment for every ex christian case and conclude about this and that.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Base on case by case basis, there is no one judgment for every ex christian case and conclude about this and that.
No intention to make any judgement. In fact, this is the first time I hear of this term, " ex christian".
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sgdiehard
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Ignore him, he is the clone with many clones
em..bit of a correction here ...Ignore him, he is a troll with many clones.
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mancha
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
No intention to make any judgement. In fact, this is the first time I hear of this term, " ex christian".
Nothing alarming about ex christians, they are every where. This is your first time and I assure you that this will not be your last time hearing the mention of ex christians.Ex christians are condemned by christians who are living a worldly life disobeying God by not showing agape love to all who. Too many loveless christians around.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Nothing alarming about ex christians, they are every where. This is your first time and I assure you that this will not be your last time hearing the mention of ex christians.Ex christians are condemned by christians who are living a worldly life disobeying God by not showing agape love to all who. Too many loveless christians around.
Many people who attend churches for various reasons, socializing, looking for business contact, accompanying relatives....many don't claim to be christians, no benefits and no obligations.
There are some who proclaimed their acceptance of the religion but later left for many reasons, they don't need to claim they are ex christians, no benefits, no obligations.
why should christians condemned those who left, the Bible says a good shepherd would leave 99 sheeps to look for the one sheep that was lost. Christians believe in the Bible, not in another Christians, whether pastors or not, so don't follow the christians, follow the Bible. Don't condemn the Bible because people cannot follow. If you can follow everything said in the Bible, you can start writing one.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Many people who attend churches for various reasons, socializing, looking for business contact, accompanying relatives....many don't claim to be christians, no benefits and no obligations.
There are some who proclaimed their acceptance of the religion but later left for many reasons, they don't need to claim they are ex christians, no benefits, no obligations.
why should christians condemned those who left, the Bible says a good shepherd would leave 99 sheeps to look for the one sheep that was lost. Christians believe in the Bible, not in another Christians, whether pastors or not, so don't follow the christians, follow the Bible. Don't condemn the Bible because people cannot follow. If you can follow everything said in the Bible, you can start writing one.
why should christians condemned those who left, the Bible says a good shepherd would leave 99 sheeps to look for the one sheep that was lost.
In reality, many christians who left the christian faith are condemned, like it or not this is reality.
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No lah! Tcmc is definitely not SomeoneMe lah! If you have read the posts in the "Christianity and vegetarianism" thread, you would have noticed that they are obviously two different persons. SomeoneMe is obviously a Malay muslim.
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David Copperfield worship Satan........ David FOOTBALLfield worship the DOG...... Hehehehehehhe............ Haaahhahhhhhahaaa.....
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to TS:
i use the analogy of plasticine...1 small plasticine + 1 small plasticine + 1 small plasticine = 1 big ball of plasticine...
I would explain God as a family name given to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...so we have God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit...Jesus prayed to His Father as how a Son looks up to His Father...yes, Jesus submitted to His Father by seeking Him and rightfully so cos Jesus is 100% human as well...say we have the Lim family...its like Lim the son toks to Lim the father...2 individual but belonging to the same family...
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Originally posted by despondent:
to TS:
i use the analogy of plasticine...1 small plasticine + 1 small plasticine + 1 small plasticine = 1 big ball of plasticine...
I would explain God as a family name given to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...so we have God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit...Jesus prayed to His Father as how a Son looks up to His Father...yes, Jesus submitted to His Father by seeking Him and rightfully so cos Jesus is 100% human as well...say we have the Lim family...its like Lim the son toks to Lim the father...2 individual but belonging to the same family...
Jesus is a man on earth with power given by God to perform miracles. As such , Jesus was no ordinary man when he was on earth. Thus he is not an equivalent of ordinary men and definitely not 100% human.
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oh one more thing TS...ever tot that perhaps the Holy trinity shld be 1x1x1 instead of 1+1+1???
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those who think I am some guy who was here long ago got it very wrong. Please stop assuming. I'm new here and seriously seeking answers. Please don't make a mistake in assuming that I am that guy who has always been here because I am not.
Anyway about Jesus being a special man 2000 years ago, I have some questions --
1. Please establish with evidence (IF POSSIBLE, use evidence outside of the bible) that Jesus did actually do those miracles (walk on water, ascended into the skies and heaven, resurrected)
2. IF you use the bible to prove his miracles, PLEASE provide evidence to prove that the scriptures in the bible are accurate and that those scriptures were really written by eyewitnesses.
Take note that Christian theologians and Christian historians have acknowledged that the originals and the oldest versions of the bible have not been found. So there's nothing to compare modern bibles with to determine if they are accurate. Of course if you guys have something to prove, I would gladly listen and learn. :)
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Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to help me with the questions
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
those who think I am some guy who was here long ago got it very wrong. Please stop assuming. I'm new here and seriously seeking answers. Please don't make a mistake in assuming that I am that guy who has always been here because I am not.
Anyway about Jesus being a special man 2000 years ago, I have some questions --
1. Please establish with evidence (IF POSSIBLE, use evidence outside of the bible) that Jesus did actually do those miracles (walk on water, ascended into the skies and heaven, resurrected)
2. IF you use the bible to prove his miracles, PLEASE provide evidence to prove that the scriptures in the bible are accurate and that those scriptures were really written by eyewitnesses.
Take note that Christian theologians and Christian historians have acknowledged that the originals and the oldest versions of the bible have not been found. So there's nothing to compare modern bibles with to determine if they are accurate. Of course if you guys have something to prove, I would gladly listen and learn. :)
Christians who went to Israel or nearby , saw the tomb, cave where Jesus was resurrected. The old testament scrolls were found many years back in dead sea.Sad to say, christianity is all base on faith, they don't encourage physical stuff to prove its existence. They will tell you without faith it is blah blah blah. Christians are discouraged to ask.
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winsomeea, Thanks.
Sorry allow me to question further.
1. Yes people saw a tomb that was "supposedly" the place where Jesus resurrected. But where is the evidence that supports the claim that the tomb is the place?
2. The scrolls that were found in the DEAD SEA (dead sea scrolls) were not the originals....When I say originals, I am talking about the scriptures that the disciples wrote themselves. These have never been found. Christian historians all know that the originals have not been found.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
winsomeea, Thanks.
Sorry allow me to question further.
1. Yes people saw a tomb that was "supposedly" the place where Jesus resurrected. But where is the evidence that supports the claim that the tomb is the place?
2. The scrolls that were found in the DEAD SEA (dead sea scrolls) were not the originals....When I say originals, I am talking about the scriptures that the disciples wrote themselves. These have never been found. Christian historians all know that the originals have not been found.
1) those who have gone would know and tell you the direction.
2) I read and was told they are originals.
A friend who went to the manger where Jesus was born, showed me pic. Now the manager was covered under a church they built, orthodox church.
Anyway, the existence of God does not bother me. What I am pissed off are those empty promises in the bible. Loopholes in the bible.
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1) winsomeea, you don't get me I think. Yes everyone says it's that place. But how do you know they are correct? Is there any DOCUMENTED evidence to say that Jesus resurrected there? I mean LOTS of people can claim that this tree cn heal people but ultimately we need evidence right?
2) The dead sea scrolls were written between 150BCE to 70BCE (2150 years ago). The original old testament is estimated to have been written 4000 years ago. You can go ahead and ask any historian and they will tell you the dead sea scrolls are not the originals. You should stand corrected?
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I am not trolling btw. Seeking answers. Thanks win.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
1) winsomeea, you don't get me I think. Yes everyone says it's that place. But how do you know they are correct? Is there any DOCUMENTED evidence to say that Jesus resurrected there? I mean LOTS of people can claim that this tree cn heal people but ultimately we need evidence right?
2) The dead sea scrolls were written between 150BCE to 70BCE (2150 years ago). The original old testament is estimated to have been written 4000 years ago. You can go ahead and ask any historian and they will tell you the dead sea scrolls are not the originals. You should stand corrected?
I am basing on what they have in the bible to answer you, it is with no consideration if the bible is the truth.
It will take historians to give you the accurate answers. Lay persons cannot.
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winsomeea
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
winsomeea
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Dead sea scrolls? Saw doc and read about them. They claimed they are the originals. I really don;t know, as I was not around at that time to know.
Too many things to question from the bible . We gotta be glad we are out of it. Thank goodness.
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dead sea scrolls? what for? its the same old usual BS