Malay (Islam) -> Christian
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
utter nonsense again. fang bi, fei hua, gou pi bu tong.
Of course if I were to ask you why you think it is utter nonsense you will not be able to defend the conclusion but just vomit out the slogan that God is as real as Superman in the comics. You are even more predictable than me because you have only one or two standard one-liners to use. -
Originally posted by laurence82:
you have no right to speaketh, Mr Judas, stabber of Christ!
Who art thou who telleth me whether I can speaketh or not, thou troll of sgforum's Eternal Hope? From whence cometh your authority and why should anyone give a hoot to thee? -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Who art thou who telleth me whether I can speaketh or not, thou troll of sgforum's Eternal Hope? From whence cometh your authority and why should anyone give a hoot to thee?well since you are the troll, like you said, u have no right
sweet and simple
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TS, Islam and Christianity preach God. STay where you are.
Muslims exercise peace with others that is why I like to make friends with Muslims. I shun people who keep preaching about God but never want to exercise keeping peace with people. Gosh, that bloody old heck bitch at work place is one good example. Even wanna find fault on the personal preference of others, knn! F bitch!
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I should LOL at your warped thinking instead. How can I invent Christianity when it preceded me by 2000 years? Siow boh?
Actually you did create your own christian god, just like how thousansds of denominations create their own christian gods and individual christians also create their own christian god for their own convenience.
Many versions of jesuses.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually you did create your own christian god, just like how thousansds of denominations create their own christian gods and individual christians also create their own christian god for their own convenience.
Many versions of jesuses.
Again just another baseless assertion without one modicum of evidential support.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Again just another baseless assertion without one modicum of evidential support.
so which version of god did you create? care to share?
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TS, please come back to this thread to update us if you have converted to Christianity.
Hope you have not.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Again just another baseless assertion without one modicum of evidential support.
BIC
Evidence is there but you dont wanna see it.
You know very clearly different denominations preach different versions of jesuses, and they all believe in different types of christian god.
To some christians, jesus is fully man, fully god. To some christians, jesus is just the son of god. To some christians, jesus resurrected bodily, to some christians he resurrected spiritually. To some christians, jesus is unhappy with the prosperity gospel, to some christians, jesus wants them to prosper in everywhere.
To you, you have y our form of jesus. You think your form of jesus is the most biblical.
But you just wont admit, that your form of jesus is only one out of the thousands
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Originally posted by laurence82:
so which version of god did you create? care to share?
laurence,
His form of god is the conservative kind, the one who also condemns other christian denominations other than his
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
Evidence is there but you dont wanna see it.
You know very clearly different denominations preach different versions of jesuses, and they all believe in different types of christian god.
To some christians, jesus is fully man, fully god. To some christians, jesus is just the son of god. To some christians, jesus resurrected bodily, to some christians he resurrected spiritually. To some christians, jesus is unhappy with the prosperity gospel, to some christians, jesus wants them to prosper in everywhere.
To you, you have y our form of jesus. You think your form of jesus is the most biblical.
But you just wont admit, that your form of jesus is only one out of the thousands
Even Jesus did warn us that false Christs will come, and Paul warned that false Jesus would be preached as well as false Gospels. But that such things do take place does not mean that we cannot know the truth. It is silly to conclude that just because there are different versions therefore there are no right version.
The issue is not what SOME Christians claim, the issue is what the Bible teaches. Of course I think my view of Jesus is Biblical. You are welcome to challenge it. I would be happy to prove you wrong. You are simply trying to argue that the mere existence of differing views means that no one view is right. This is fallacious thinking but not unexpected since it is coming from you.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Even Jesus did warn us that false Christs will come, and Paul warned that false Jesus would be preached as well as false Gospels. But that such things do take place does not mean that we cannot know the truth. It is silly to conclude that just because there are different versions therefore there are no right version.
The issue is not what SOME Christians claim, the issue is what the Bible teaches. Of course I think my view of Jesus is Biblical. You are welcome to challenge it. I would be happy to prove you wrong. You are simply trying to argue that the mere existence of differing views means that no one view is right. This is fallacious thinking but not unexpected since it is coming from you.
BIC
Sure you say they are following false christs. They say you are the one following false christs.
Lol. AND you and them all quote the same bible, with different interpretations.
You say their interpretation is wrong and they say yours is wrong.
Lol. You say you are guided by god they say the same too.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
Sure you say they are following false christs. They say you are the one following false christs.
Lol. AND you and them all quote the same bible, with different interpretations.
You say their interpretation is wrong and they say yours is wrong.
Lol. You say you are guided by god they say the same too.
Which is not any different from us living on the same planet, breathing the same air, but you say there is no God whereas I say there is. And it will still be silly to say that just because we disagree therefore we are both wrong.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Which is not any different from us living on the same planet, breathing the same air, but you say there is no God whereas I say there is. And it will still be silly to say that just because we disagree therefore we are both wrong.
BIC
Of course gods dont affect me cos to me they dont exist.
But I am just curious. Aren't you scared that your interpretation might be the wrong one and the other camp of christians correct?
Then you will end up in fire on judgment day and god will tell you that you were misled and MISLED many people.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
Of course gods dont affect me cos to me they dont exist.
But I am just curious. Aren't you scared that your interpretation might be the wrong one and the other camp of christians correct?
Then you will end up in fire on judgment day and god will tell you that you were misled and MISLED many people.
Which still begs the question, how you know that God does not exist?
Why should I be scared when there are no good reason to think that my views are wrong? But thankfully God does not require complete doctrinal precision as a criteria to go to heaven. So long as one does not deny the core doctrines there is no fear of being gone astray. And if I end up being wrong, I can't be any worst off than you, right?
But aren't you scared if you are wrong?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Which still begs the question, how you know that God does not exist?
Why should I be scared when there are no good reason to think that my views are wrong? But thankfully God does not require complete doctrinal precision as a criteria to go to heaven. So long as one does not deny the core doctrines there is no fear of being gone astray. And if I end up being wrong, I can't be any worst off than you, right?
But aren't you scared if you are wrong?
BIC
1. To answer your question, I am as scared to be wrong about jesus, like I am scared to be wrong about allah, like I am scared to be wrong about lord krishna. I am not joking, just being truthful.
2. "So long as one does not deny the core doctrines there is no fear of being gone astray." Sure to you this set of verses are core. To another christian, another set of verses are core.
3. You disbelief one lesser god than me only, out of 1000 gods. Yes I am one god worse than you, if you insist. So if i have a 100% chance of going hell, u have 99% of going hell.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
1. To answer your question, I am as scared to be wrong about jesus, like I am scared to be wrong about allah, like I am scared to be wrong about lord krishna. I am not joking, just being truthful.
2. "So long as one does not deny the core doctrines there is no fear of being gone astray." Sure to you this set of verses are core. To another christian, another set of verses are core.
3. You disbelief one lesser god than me only, out of 1000 gods. Yes I am one god worse than you, if you insist. So if i have a 100% chance of going hell, u have 99% of going hell.
1. Wow, then you must be living in fear then!
2. It's easy to know which are the core set of doctrines. We have church history to guide us. It is also known through the main creeds. Surely you must have heard of them?
3. As far as you and I are concerned, we are only dealing with one God. But assuming you are right, and that's a BIG IF, then really I am not any worst off than you still.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
1. Wow, then you must be living in fear then!
2. It's easy to know which are the core set of doctrines. We have church history to guide us. It is also known through the main creeds. Surely you must have heard of them?
3. As far as you and I are concerned, we are only dealing with one God. But assuming you are right, and that's a BIG IF, then really I am not any worst off than you still.
1. I use "scared" as a metaphor, like how i use "god" as a metaphor.
2. LOL. You just cant see past your own beliefs and your version of christ right?Also, it's there in history doesnt mean it's correct. I thought you were brighter than that.
3. Yea if you insist, Look at it in another way, you are an atheist to 99 gods while i am an atheist to 100 gods, if there are 100 gods.
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he is false christ!
no you are!
nope you are!
haha
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
1. I use "scared" as a metaphor, like how i use "god" as a metaphor.
2. LOL. You just cant see past your own beliefs and your version of christ right?Also, it's there in history doesnt mean it's correct. I thought you were brighter than that.
3. Yea if you insist, Look at it in another way, you are an atheist to 99 gods while i am an atheist to 100 gods, if there are 100 gods.
1. "Scared" as a metaphor for what? "God" as a metaphor for what? Uh....do you know what is a metaphor at all? In any case, you should be living in fear because you could well be wrong that there is no God, unless you are infallibly sure there's none?
2. And if it's there in history doesn't mean it is not correct. You can't be that dim right?Well, if you can just show me that my beliefs are definitely wrong, then maybe the lights will turn on for me. As it is, you can only tell me that others say I am wrong but you are in no position to judge at all.
3. That's a silly and wrong use of the word "atheist" as we know it.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
1. "Scared" as a metaphor for what? "God" as a metaphor for what? Uh....do you know what is a metaphor at all? In any case, you should be living in fear because you could well be wrong that there is no God, unless you are infallibly sure there's none?
2. And if it's there in history doesn't mean it is not correct. You can't be that dim right?Well, if you can just show me that my beliefs are definitely wrong, then maybe the lights will turn on for me. As it is, you can only tell me that others say I am wrong but you are in no position to judge at all.
3. That's a silly and wrong use of the word "atheist" as we know it.
1. It's a figure of speech. No i am not scared. Probably, like how you are not scared of being wrong about the 999 gods that you are an atheist toward.
2. Since you are talking about the creed of the church, and you hinted that they could be true just because it's in history, let me paste the "general" creed of the protestants for you -
- I believe in God the Father Almighty,
- Maker of heaven and earth: (not proven, by faith)
- And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, (not proven, by faith)
- Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, (not proven, by faith)
- Born of the Virgin Mary, (not proven, by faith)
- Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
- Was crucified, dead, and buried:
- He descended into hell; (not proven, by faith)
- The third day he rose again from the dead; (not proven, by faith)
- He ascended into heaven, (not proven, by faith)
- And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; (not proven, by faith)
- From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. (not proven, by faith)
- I believe in the Holy Ghost; (not proven, by faith)
- The Communion of Saints;
- The Forgiveness of sins; (not proven, by faith)
- The Resurrection of the body, (not proven, by faith)
- And the Life everlasting. (not proven, by faith)
- Amen.
- So I can safely tell you that most probably, all the creed you mention are not factual, just based on faith. And faith is very subjective. Different denominations can believe and interpret the creed in different ways, as long as its not factual. Unlike facts (e.g bat is a mammal, with mammary glands, hair and gives birth), faith and beliefs can be twisted and changed. And that explains why there are thousands of interpretations of the bible but one fact about the bat and also one fact about the composition of water (hydrogen and oxygen).
- 3. As silly as how you compare atheism to being a religion. Now you get it!
- I believe in God the Father Almighty,
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
1. It's a figure of speech. No i am not scared. Probably, like how you are not scared of being wrong about the 999 gods that you are an atheist toward.
2. Since you are talking about the creed of the church, and you hinted that they could be true just because it's in history, let me paste the "general" creed of the protestants for you -
- I believe in God the Father Almighty,
- Maker of heaven and earth: (not proven, by faith)
- And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, (not proven, by faith)
- Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, (not proven, by faith)
- Born of the Virgin Mary, (not proven, by faith)
- Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
- Was crucified, dead, and buried:
- He descended into hell; (not proven, by faith)
- The third day he rose again from the dead; (not proven, by faith)
- He ascended into heaven, (not proven, by faith)
- And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; (not proven, by faith)
- From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. (not proven, by faith)
- I believe in the Holy Ghost; (not proven, by faith)
- The Communion of Saints;
- The Forgiveness of sins; (not proven, by faith)
- The Resurrection of the body, (not proven, by faith)
- And the Life everlasting. (not proven, by faith)
- Amen.
- So I can safely tell you that most probably, all the creed you mention are not factual, just based on faith. And faith is very subjective. Different denominations can believe and interpret the creed in different ways, as long as its not factual. Unlike facts (e.g bat is a mammal, with mammary glands, hair and gives birth), faith and beliefs can be twisted and changed. And that explains why there are thousands of interpretations of the bible but one fact about the bat and also one fact about the composition of water (hydrogen and oxygen).
- 3. As silly as how you compare atheism to being a religion. Now you get it!
1. The BIG difference being that atheism is utterly IRRATIONAL since it believes the universe comes from nothing whereas theism is completely rational in believing that the eternal God made the universe. There is simply no way you can fault the logic here. In any case, on the basis of God's revelation (and God knows everything) I can place full trust in the Bible's teaching that there is only one God. But for you, you only can fall back on your fallible opinions.
2. You are confused. My appeal to the creeds is to show that my beliefs are in accordance with historic Christianity. You said my beliefs are my own peculiar version. I am challenging that. I doubt you can fault it. In any case, the point is that the creeds are summarised statements of faith from the Bible. I am NOT ashamed to say that those are indeed statements of faith. The hypocrisy on YOUR part is to deny that you also have faith as an atheist. Your creed "THERE IS NO GOD" is held by faith, not proven.
3. People talking about your abuse of the word "atheist" and you harp on some irrelevant point just to score points.
- I believe in God the Father Almighty,
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u realise troll such as BIC mislead everyone from the topic at hand
as such, he turns people eyes away from jesus, including TS
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Just thought that some time spent listening to this poem might clarify things and improve the discussion efficiency here.
:).
"The Blind Men and the Elephant" by John G. Saxe (poetry reading)[link]:
Blind Men and the Elephant – A Poem by John Godfrey Saxe
Here is John Godfrey Saxe’s (1816-1887) version of Blind Men and the Elephant:
It was six men of Indostan, To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant, (Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation, Might satisfy his mind.
The First approach'd the Elephant, And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side, At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant, Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling of the tusk, Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp? To me 'tis mighty clear,
This wonder of an Elephant- Is very like a spear!"The Third approach'd the animal, And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands, Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," -quoth he- "the Elephant- Is very like a snake!"
The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee: "What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," -quoth he,- "'Tis clear enough the Elephant: Is very like a tree!"
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear, Said- "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most; Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant: Is very like a fan!"
The Sixth no sooner had begun, About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail, That fell within his scope,
"I see," -quoth he,- "the Elephant- Is very like a rope!"
And so these men of Indostan, Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion, Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right, - And all were in the wrong!
MORAL,
So, oft in theologic wars , The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance : Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant : Not one of them has seen! -
lol.. like Amoebas pondering a whale is the term I will use.
But then again... a person's refutation is as nuanced as his interpretations.