Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Perhaps more interesting is that all atheists, which includes you, claim that all religions are false because they are deluded.Tcmc, would you care to confirm if the above statement is true or false?
BIC
You havent read intently, have you?
Nope not all atheists think that all religions are false and that all religious people are deluded.
Like I have told you for a thousandth time, in Singapore, atheists treasure the religious harmony between different religions. And also, there are many beautiful scriptures and teachings in buddhism, taoism, hinduism, islam, christianity, protestanism, catholicism, mormonism, sikhism etc.
Nope. You got to read.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So which are the religious texts you have read? What was your evaluation criteria? How long did you take to decide being an atheist?
Hi Bic
I think i have been more exposed to other religions than you, but of course you can share with me your exposure to other religions too. :)
I have been a taoist/buddhist (yes separately) and then christian and now irreligious.
I practiced taoism in its ceremonies, the gods' festivals, teachings, praying etc. Buddhism, I visited temples, meditated on buddha's teachings and even became a vegetarian for some time. For christianity, i worshiipped, prayed to jesus, believed the scriptures and served "god" and "his" people.
Apart from that, i have visited hindu temples, spoke to hindus in the temple about their gods and worship and read their scriptures. I also visited mosques and almost converted to islam when i read the quran.
:)
How about you? Care to share your religious exposure?
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
You havent read intently, have you?
Nope not all atheists think that all religions are false and that all religious people are deluded.
Like I have told you for a thousandth time, in Singapore, atheists treasure the religious harmony between different religions. And also, there are many beautiful scriptures and teachings in buddhism, taoism, hinduism, islam, christianity, protestanism, catholicism, mormonism, sikhism etc.
Nope. You got to read.
Originally posted by Tcmc:Hi Bic
I think i have been more exposed to other religions than you, but of course you can share with me your exposure to other religions too. :)
I have been a taoist/buddhist (yes separately) and then christian and now irreligious.
I practiced taoism in its ceremonies, the gods' festivals, teachings, praying etc. Buddhism, I visited temples, meditated on buddha's teachings and even became a vegetarian for some time. For christianity, i worshiipped, prayed to jesus, believed the scriptures and served "god" and "his" people.
Apart from that, i have visited hindu temples, spoke to hindus in the temple about their gods and worship and read their scriptures. I also visited mosques and almost converted to islam when i read the quran.
:)
How about you? Care to share your religious exposure?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So you have been exposed to Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism. Is that all? What about the other religions not mentioned? You never check them out too or dabbles in them? Why not?
BIC,
Yea i havent but maybe I will!
How about you? Why aren't you sharing? Have you been exposed to other religions to make a decision that you want one religion specifically?
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC,
Yea i havent but maybe I will!
How about you? Why aren't you sharing? Have you been exposed to other religions to make a decision that you want one religion specifically?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I know you try to be politically correct and try not to say anything that would offend anyone, but surely you can be honest about what atheism says about religion, right? I mean, I asked you to confirm that atheism says ALL religions are false but you sidestepped it and say that ALL religions are beautiful? Why are you so ashamed of being an atheist?
BIC
Nah. I am not like you. I honestly believe that deep down in your heart you do think that all other religions are false.. But I am not like you! Honestly, I am not!
You are a black-white, true-false person. Not everyone is like you, with a bipolar disorder.
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
Nah. I am not like you. I honestly believe that deep down in your heart you do think that all other religions are false.. But I am not like you! Honestly, I am not!
You are a black-white, true-false person. Not everyone is like you, with a bipolar disorder.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Well, show me an atheist who thinks that some religions are true and I will show you a deceitful atheist, or a confused one. Which are you?
BIC
See? Imposing your true-false , black-white bipolar disorder on others again..
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Well, show me an atheist who thinks that some religions are true and I will show you a deceitful atheist, or a confused one. Which are you?
BIC
You havent answered regarding exposure to other religions to make a sound decision?
Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Aneslayer
Thanks.
But BIC is a black-white, true-false person. He might not accept an agnostic-atheist
Originally posted by Tcmc:Aneslayer
Thanks.
But BIC is a black-white, true-false person. He might not accept an agnostic-atheist
The way it looked... He would be having more issues with agnostic theist.... I think that term is an oxymoron...
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
See? Imposing your true-false , black-white bipolar disorder on others again..
Name-calling and caricaturing my beliefs again?
I NEVER said EVERYTHING is black or white, true or false. But many things are. But you are still REFUSING to answer a simple question, a very logical one in fact.
What are you afraid of?
Atheism claims that THE truth is that all religions are false. True or false? Since you say that it is false. Then all I am asking you is to elaborate why? Don't give the irrelevant answer about each religion having beautiful Scriptures, that's not answering the question.
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
You havent answered regarding exposure to other religions to make a sound decision?
I also got exposed to Taoism and Buddhism, or a mixture of both since that was my upbringing. I also read on other religions like Islam and Hinduism.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Name-calling and caricaturing my beliefs again?
I NEVER said EVERYTHING is black or white, true or false. But many things are. But you are still REFUSING to answer a simple question, a very logical one in fact.
What are you afraid of?
Atheism claims that THE truth is that all religions are false. True or false? Since you say that it is false. Then all I am asking you is to elaborate why? Don't give the irrelevant answer about each religion having beautiful Scriptures, that's not answering the question.
BIC
you are being very extreme. You keep saying that all atheists think that all religions are false in their entirety and that atheists think all religious people are deluded.
That's not true.
You cant just read some definition and impose your black-white definitions on all atheists!
Originally posted by Tcmc:Aneslayer
Thanks.
But BIC is a black-white, true-false person. He might not accept an agnostic-atheist
If it all boils down to just matters of belief and not a claim with respect to what is, then why are atheists so averse to admitting that all he has is a matter of belief and faith?
All beliefs, unless it is mere intellectual assent, requires faith.
Anyway, you should know that PZ Myers, a very vocal atheist and well-known anti-creationist (I'll forgive you for your ignorance of him as well), did not have nice words for such lame antics. Here's what he wrote:
"Boy, I really do hate these guys (fellow atheists who are not happy with Myers). You’ve got a discussion going, talking about why you’re an atheist, or what atheism should mean to the community, or some such topic that is dealing with our ideas and society, and some smug wanker comes along and announces that “Atheism means you lack a belief in gods. Nothing more. Quit trying to add meaning to the term.” As if atheism can only be some platonic ideal floating in virtual space with no connections to anything else; as if atheists are people who have attained a zen-like ideal, their minds a void, containing nothing but atheism, which itself is nothing. Dumbasses."
See http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/01/why-are-you-an-atheist/
See also http://borne.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/is-atheism-mere-lack-of-belief-2/
'nuff said.
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
you are being very extreme. You keep saying that all atheists think that all religions are false in their entirety and that atheists think all religious people are deluded.
That's not true.
You cant just read some definition and impose your black-white definitions on all atheists!
Tcmc, you are being very dishonest. You yourself said that ALL religions are the SAME since they at least hold to a belief in the existence of the supernatural realm and supernatural beings, gods or demons etc. Since you believe that such beings do not exist, then isn't it true that all religions are fundamentally false? Don't try to weasel out by saying that SOME things that religions teach are true, the moral things etc etc. Well, you know very well what I was really talking about.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Tcmc, you are being very dishonest. You yourself said that ALL religions are the SAME since they at least hold to a belief in the existence of the supernatural realm and supernatural beings, gods or demons etc. Since you believe that such beings do not exist, then isn't it true that all religions are fundamentally false? Don't try to weasel out by saying that SOME things that religions teach are true, the moral things etc etc. Well, you know very well what I was really talking about.
BIC
My issue with you is that you think that all atheists think that:
Religions are false in their entirety
Religious people are deluded.
That is NOT true. Not all atheists believe in that! Most atheists I know do believe that religions do hold many truths and that religious people can be very smart academically too!
Atheists are humans, just like christians. We are complex and you cannot just use simplistic definitions on the internet to label all of us.
It's just like how I do not label all christians "must believe in the Trinity" or that all christians "must tithe and speak in tongues". I accept there is diversity within christianity too!
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
My issue with you is that you think that all atheists think that:
Religions are false in their entirety
Religious people are deluded.
That is NOT true. Not all atheists believe in that! Most atheists I know do believe that religions do hold many truths and that religious people can be very smart academically too!
Atheists are humans, just like christians. We are complex and you cannot just use simplistic definitions on the internet to label all of us.
It's just like how I do not label all christians "must believe in the Trinity" or that all christians "must tithe and speak in tongues". I accept there is diversity within christianity too!
Tcmc, you are still evading my question. As expected, you take the sidestepping tact of saying that there are SOME truths in religions. Of course by that you refer mainly to the moral truths like do not murder or do not lie etc. But you KNOW that's not what I am referring to.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Tcmc, you are still evading my question. As expected, you take the sidestepping tact of saying that there are SOME truths in religions. Of course by that you refer mainly to the moral truths like do not murder or do not lie etc. But you KNOW that's not what I am referring to.
BIC,
not evading the question! Just stating facts for you!
You got to know like christians, atheists are diversed.
But difference is christians have an allknowing god to guide them, so by right should be a bit less diversed than atheists.
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC,
not evading the question! Just stating facts for you!
You got to know like christians, atheists are diversed.
But difference is christians have an allknowing god to guide them, so by right should be a bit less diversed than atheists.
Not evading? How many times have you refused to answer the question?
Diversity of beliefs within Christianity and atheism is irrelevant. Don't throw red herrings. The question is, and let me rephrase my question so you don't evade again, "Do atheism declare that ALL religions are WRONG in claiming that the spiritual world exists, and that there are spiritual beings like God, angels and demons?"
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Not evading? How many times have you refused to answer the question?
Diversity of beliefs within Christianity and atheism is irrelevant. Don't throw red herrings. The question is, and let me rephrase my question so you don't evade again, "Do atheism declare that ALL religions are WRONG in claiming that the spiritual world exists, and that there are spiritual beings like God, angels and demons?"
BIC
Better read up more on the different groups of atheists before making sweeping statements based on your limited knowledge
Originally posted by Tcmc:BIC
Better read up more on the different groups of atheists before making sweeping statements based on your limited knowledge
Just answer my question can?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Just answer my question can?
Love you BIC. xoxo