Cisse or Houllier?
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Article: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=294854&cc=4716
just wanna measure the level of hatred on houllier here..
given the following 2 scenarios, which would u prefer?
Scenario 1
GH is successful in getting liverpool to the fourth position this season and he keeps his job.
Cisse joins Liverpool next season.
Scenario 2
GH failed the mission given to him and Liverpool is outta Champion League next season. The board sacks him.
Cisse joins another club because GH is no longer in Liverpool. -
cisse isn't that good...
GH is terrible...
GH should go.. then anyone coming in would be able improve the situation, and if LFC gets loads better, they can get ANYONE! -
GH and Owen should go.
Liverpool Football Club have world class players not played to FULL potential, the players need a new managers to keep them on their toe.
Now, it seem that the player's mood control the game play and there is not any change in game tactics.
It is major FUSTRATION when as a fan, I strongly believe that Liverpool can beat any team any time when they want to.
But, they are not doing the slaughtering.
GH have lost control of his team.
His job now is to make silly comments to entertain oppositon fans and to give the sport writer some thing to write about.
On Liverpool web site, GH is sill claiming to the whole world that he will still be the REDs manager.
He should shut up and win the rest of the games to prove his point.
As for Cisse, I believe he have already sign some pre-season contract with Liverpool.
So. I dun think he wun come to Liverpool even if GH is gone.
I have not seen him played before so dun expect too much.
He could become the next "Heskey".
To me, one player dun make a difference.
Liverpool have been over-reliance on Owen for the past 5 seasons.
It is time when Liverpool start playing a team.
I miss the season when they won the 5 trophys through their belief, unity and prayers before each match.
They gave all their best and they were all warriors.
They fight, fight and fight for every match.
But, that is the PAST.
GH have screwed himself up. -
err... ok.
so, what is your pick? 1 or 2? -
... if rumours can be trusted ... houllier out, mourinho in ... me not too worried abt cisse cos we already good strikers at the club ... we need someone who can inspire them, not bury them ...
... come on mighty reds ... -
hehe... ok. the topic could have been misleading coz everyone seems to opt for the third option, which i didnt list out.
if given the choice, would u:
1. hope that GH leaves at the expenses of the arrival of a possible good striker for liverpool AND champion league next season?
2. or, let GH stays for the time being and be rewarded with cisse's arrival PLUS champion league placing next year? of course, he could leave for other reason next season is all i care, but at least not because he didnt secure the fourth placing. -
I thought there's a pre-agreement signed ?
He can't join another club unless both sides agree on the void of the agreement !
I'm one in this forum , from Day 1 , all along ....wanted the sack of GH , now still the same , if given a choice , GH should be the one out and I wouldn't mind we lost out on Cisse because of GH ! -
oh man.
not just cisse lar. taking champion league placing into consideration as well.
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Hmm...interesting.....Mourinho for LFC ? That FC Porto fella that plotted the win against The Manure ?Originally posted by kpo:... if rumoura can be trusted ... houllier out, mourinho in ...
Nevermind who take over LFC also can , as long as GH is out ! -
... rabbit rabbit ... do u really think we cannot qualify for champs league without gh? ...Originally posted by www:oh man.
not just cisse lar. taking champion league placing into consideration as well.
*slaps forehead*
... from what i've in seen in the recent milan-depor and arsenal-chelsea matches, i agree with our fellow "forumers" here that we'll get smashed by those teams if we get into the champs league ...
... he's done his best for this club ... but if we want to become great again, it's time for him to move on ... after these 2 seasons i already have no more hair to pull out ... -
... yup that's him ... apparently he has rebuilt porto in 2 yrs or something ... porto won their domestic treble under him and he's the hottest young coach around ... it is also said that he wants to go to a top english side and had admitted that the mighty reds attract him ...Originally posted by Poolman:Hmm...interesting.....Mourinho for LFC ? That FC Porto fella that plotted the win against The Manure ?
Nevermind who take over LFC also can , as long as GH is out !
... according to the rumours he has already met lfc representatives ... it is said that if no offers from other clubs come in, he'll join the reds ... spurs are also interested in him ...
... if gh is to leave, i want us to get a top coach ... this guy sounds very attractive ... or guys like capello etc ... but not juz anyone cos sekali we get another gh how?
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hehe... i dont really think i have implied that one way or the other. after all, from wats left in the trophy list this season, would anyone be in their right mind to even claim that liverpool cant do without GH?Originally posted by kpo:... rabbit rabbit ... do u really think we cannot qualify for champs league without gh? ...
the nature of my question is very simple:
one of the most likely stimuli to GH's departure, be it a voluntary or passive one, is his failure to achieve the fourth placing in premiership table end of this season, which also means no champion league next season.
i am just interested to find out that do you people want him to leave soooooooooooooooo fast and badly at the expense of a champion league placing next season?
and take assumption that arrival of cisse, a player who could possibly turn out to be a good striker for liverpool, could not materialise because of GH's absence.
question simple bo? its not a trick question lar. -
Answer to your Question: Scenerio 2.
As stated by Poolman, Cisse have a pre-agreement with Liverpool.
So, your scenerio 2 need some amendment.
The simple thing is that Liverpool need to go back to square one - English Premier League.
If they can draw with a relegation team, they are not good enough to be in a Champion League.
Two words: Domination and Goal-Scoring.
There is no point going to CL if you dun take time to re-group. -
GH had done enough. but now it seems the team is going down hill,again. we need someone to pick us up and move on from there. i'll choose 1. we need a substantial change. we want a better shot at the premier league titles, champions leagues, FA Cups and GH is not gonna bring us there. bring back the good old liverpool days. personally i would like to see O'Neil at helm in liverpool.
Originally posted by www:
hehe... ok. the topic could have been misleading coz everyone seems to opt for the third option, which i didnt list out.
if given the choice, would u:
1. hope that GH leaves [b]at the expenses of the arrival of a possible good striker for liverpool AND champion league next season?
2. or, let GH stays for the time being and be rewarded with cisse's arrival PLUS champion league placing next year? of course, he could leave for other reason next season is all i care, but at least not because he didnt secure the fourth placing.[/b] -
option 2
Reds have enough talents. You no need big names in a club to win silverwares. Some managers can turn simple players into quality players.
Has GH made anyone into quality players? Biscan?
Kewell?Riise?Diouf? -
Tat's a tough choice...there are various possible scenarios tat could happen at the end of the season. I'll vote for option 1 altho personally, I'm most curious wat makes GH thinks he still has time on his side...surely a 4th finishing is not good enuff for LFC.
I've no hatre for the man...I think he has brought some good to the club. But perhaps, he has to accept tat he has done wat he could and would let others carry on fm there.
So I would like to see him move UPwards or OUTwards gracefully as I believe this is the LFC way of handling such issues.
Oh, Cisse would be a welcome replacement for Heskey -
Scenario 1 should be the best... GH manage to keep his job and Cisse is coming to Liverpool...
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Option 2 of course !
We can forget about success in the UCL as long as GH is in , and as long as GH is in , LFC will continue to play long , boring football ! The type we seen against Portsmouth , Marseille etc...... A change of manager , meaning in a change of playing approach , a change in the players mindset too !
We can afford NOT to be in the UCL for a season ! A change of mgr can be good for LFC , in a longer term view !
LFC has a pool of talents , we can afford a team without Cisse !
The team failed to get results , not because of they're not capabilties , they failed 'cos GH has wrongly used them in terms of.....positionings , tactically , too much high balls .......and GH lacked a touch in motivations !
It can be said in a way we see griffitis .......dead threat ...that won games ! Nothing else that LFC won because of any solid GH factors !
I insist...GH to be SACKED !!! -
GH bought good players and destroy themOriginally posted by X-men:option 2
Reds have enough talents. You no need big names in a club to win silverwares. Some managers can turn simple players into quality players.
Has GH made anyone into quality players? Biscan? Kewell?Riise?Diouf?
Biscan interests big teams like milan and was better before he joins lfc. see what gh has done to him; try converting a midfielder to defender -
GH have given Biscan a good reason why he should be playing in Midfield.
At least a free kick will be given when he try to pull his opponent's pants off.
GH have gladly show the Liverpool players what they cannot do in the past season.
Biscan - not a defender
Diouf - not a winger, like that how to be a serial killer
Kewell - cannot play on the right wing or middle, he have not master the playmaker role
Heskey - cannot play any where BUT for England
Owen - cannot gamble with taking penalty for the REDs. He is a good player but he need to move on to grow. Liverpool is holding him down as there is no competition.
Fowler - can not be GOD of Liverpool. He is getting his boots back in Man City, but he is waiting for his silly drunken way to get him into more trouble.
David James - should use his hand to tackle Playstation 2. what to say ? he make it to the England Team.
Arsene Wenger have brought out the hidden talents of his players,
GH have shown his players what the worst career option possible in football.