Do you really feel lonelier as you grow older?
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I agree with you on this. However it also has to be a decision to make loneliness be seen like your shadow, is it in front of you or behind your figure?Originally posted by Rhonda:That is soooooooooooo NOT TRUE!
Which is worse, to be lonely in a crowd, or to be alone in solitude?
People likes small talk and never really want to get involved with anything deeper than the matters of the heart.
It takes more effort to listen, understand.
It takes more responsibility to engage into serious, heartfelt talks.
Many times we feel lonely, could it be due to the thought 'we desire to speak but who is there to listen?' Depression sets in...
To be lonely in a crowd: searching for identity...once again?
It could happen at any age. -
The few mentioned above are ways to ease loneliness, thru distraction and positive acts. Have it ever occured to you that even though you do all of the above and more...you've enjoyed it, but still felt lonely?Originally posted by cindtan29:totally agree for the above...plus...
the perception of lonely also depends on oneself...u can jolly well choose to make ur time fuller by taking courses (cookery,language) or breeding pets (dogs, cats) and also travel (if financial status allows it)
What really has to be confronted is the 'heart issue' -
BINGO!!! You've hit the nail on the head!!Originally posted by M©+square:I agree with you on this. However it also has to be a decision to make loneliness be seen like your shadow, is it in front of you or behind your figure?
People like small talk and never really want to get involved with anything deeper than the matters of the heart.
It takes more effort to listen, understand.
It takes more responsibility to engage into serious, heartfelt talks.
Many times we feel lonely, could it be due to the thought 'we desire to speak but who is there to listen?' Depression sets in...
To be lonely in a crowd: searching for identity...once again?
It could happen at any age.
It's true that a lot of people don't wish to delve deeper. For some reason, apparent or otherwise, they choose to shun deep conversations but instead, prefer easy, happy talk. Not a lot of folks are comfortable with talking heart-to-heart. Could be a fear of closeness, could be they don't feel that they jive with you, could be that they just don't have that level of emotional need in them...
Whatever the reason, 'the world is a comedy to those who think, and a tragedy to those who feel', a quote I learnt from an extremely eccentric 'A' Levels Expat Literature Tutor that in one cursory swipe, places those of us who feel deeply and are sensitive and introspective into the category of heightened awareness and consequent despair.
I often feel loneliest when the usual buddies I talk to become unavailable due to conflicting work schedules or the fact that most of them are so darn geographically mobile that too many of them are currently not in Singapore.
I'm quite the yakker and also quite the joker too, with the right peeps ... and yakkers get depressed when they don't get to do what they are best at - YAKkety YaK yAk YaK!!!
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True, activities can never replace 'heart-to-heart talk'.Originally posted by M©+square:The few mentioned above are ways to ease loneliness, thru distraction and positive acts. Have it ever occured to you that even though you do all of the above and more...you've enjoyed it, but still felt lonely?
What really has to be confronted is the 'heart issue'
What activities do is to fill up your time and hopefully distract you and make you while the time away and hopefully, forget your need to interact on a deep level but ultimately it doesn't address the issue and it will pop up again. -
Enjoy Solitude, it'll help lots.Originally posted by Rhonda:True, activities can never replace 'heart-to-heart talk'.
What activities do is to fill up your time and hopefully distract you and make you while the time away and hopefully, forget your need to interact on a deep level but ultimately it doesn't address the issue and it will pop up again.
Enjoy self thoughts and being alone.
p.s Loneliness =/= Being alone -
Those who can feel and feel deeply fall into depression and melancholy easily.That's why the best poets are the ones who are almost suicidal in nature or have nothing to care in this world.
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Precisely! This does not apply just to poets - it applies to artists, actors and actresses, dancers, writers, playwrights ... any and all folks who tend to have an artistic and highly creative streak in them. Heightened sensitivity enables these people to convey emotions through their craft and the setback of being talented this way is depression.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Those who can feel and feel deeply fall into depression and melancholy easily.That's why the best poets are the ones who are almost suicidal in nature or have nothing to care in this world.
I asked my Literature tutor once, 'Are there any happy writers at all? Someone who lived a somewhat 'normal' and decent life that was not messed up?' and she answered, 'Yes, but only one that I know of - P. G. Wodehouse.' -
Agree with Rhonda, not only poets but people who has keen artistic senses and highly creative; mostly not only fall into depression easily, they fell into distorted lifestyle and completely self absorbed in their own world, esp for those well known.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Those who can feel and feel deeply fall into depression and melancholy easily.That's why the best poets are the ones who are almost suicidal in nature or have nothing to care in this world.
Some could be suicidal in nature; which is rare to be naturally suicidal(?)
Some cares too much hence ended their life.
If someone of high creativity have nothing to care in this world, then their works will not be regarded the best.
These famous have something close to their hearts, you could even call it fetishes.
There is are cause(s) for them for them to live and to die. It could be seen in their works.
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You didn't ask why do they end up depressed? Since their emotions could have led to happiness and normal. What do you think?Originally posted by Rhonda:Precisely! This does not apply just to poets - it applies to artists, actors and actresses, dancers, writers, playwrights ... any and all folks who tend to have an artistic and highly creative streak in them. Heightened sensitivity enables these people to convey emotions through their craft and the setback of being talented this way is depression.
I asked my Literature tutor once, 'Are there any happy writers at all? Someone who lived a somewhat 'normal' and decent life that was not messed up?' and she answered, 'Yes, but only one that I know of - P. G. Wodehouse.'
Whats your background anyway? Lit grad?
I'm eager to hear your reply
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Heh.During my school days, I've read of Sylvia Plath's life and it was sad.And she was that sort of person who wrote better when she was falling deeper and deeper into depression.Originally posted by Rhonda:Precisely! This does not apply just to poets - it applies to artists, actors and actresses, dancers, writers, playwrights ... any and all folks who tend to have an artistic and highly creative streak in them. Heightened sensitivity enables these people to convey emotions through their craft and the setback of being talented this way is depression.
I asked my Literature tutor once, 'Are there any happy writers at all? Someone who lived a somewhat 'normal' and decent life that was not messed up?' and she answered, 'Yes, but only one that I know of - P. G. Wodehouse.'
Have to say that sometimes the happiest people in the world are those that do not really care or have the passion for any particular thing.There's no free lunch, you get the side effects of your own gifts. LOL. -
Sometimes it takes the presence of pain to show joy, or the lack of joy, in a clearer way.And have you noticed that the best works deal with feeling and when you see reality around you, cheerfulness is something transient, for we all slog and work and worry so much so that cheefulness has been downgraded to another emotion.It has lost its place as our primary emotion and to be able to feel this loss, is to feel that same pain inside you.Originally posted by M©+square:You didn't ask why do they end up depressed? Since their emotions could have led to happiness and normal. What do you think?
Whats your background anyway? Lit grad?
I'm eager to hear your reply
I think Rhonda does have a Lit background..Me too..Studied Lit at 'O' and 'A' levels. -
Glory
Deep under the autumn sky
I raised my head
to take a look,
seeing if you were there
or whether the sounds
in my head;
were just echoes
of a life past
and memories fleeced.
I saw tall walls
green and hazy
like a fortress which I could
never enter;
for the sins I've committed
are grave.
A dead wallaby lay ahead,
eyes facing the sun,
I wonder where his heart
faced.
The setting sun blazed and bristled
as the light refused to die;
so that I could see
the lone farmhouse
where your thoughts and mine
mixed in the night sky;
and a woollen quilt
of dreams nourished us.
I sat down on the road,
where roadkill was my friend.
Realised I missed you badly
and as the trucks
raced past me; like
a dove fleeing Israel,
your face shone
and you smiled.
I flew. -
I understand totally only that we're in different subject. I'm in Arts too.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Sometimes it takes the presence of pain to show joy, or the lack of joy, in a clearer way.And have you noticed that the best works deal with feeling and when you see reality around you, cheerfulness is something transient, for we all slog and work and worry so much so that cheefulness has been downgraded to another emotion.It has lost its place as our primary emotion and to be able to feel this loss, is to feel that same pain inside you.
I think Rhonda does have a Lit background..Me too..Studied Lit at 'O' and 'A' levels. -
Arts?What major?Originally posted by M©+square:I understand totally only that we're in different subject. I'm in Arts too. -
Secret. The fine Arts section.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Arts?What major? -
Haha,OkayOriginally posted by M©+square:Secret. The fine Arts section.
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Originally posted by M©+square:You didn't ask why do they end up depressed? Since their emotions could have led to happiness and normal. What do you think?
Whats your background anyway? Lit grad?
I'm eager to hear your replyOriginally posted by LazerLordz:
Yup, guys!
I think Rhonda does have a Lit background..Me too..Studied Lit at 'O' and 'A' levels. I studied English Literature at 'O' and 'A' levels, tried for the 'S' paper too. However, that was sooooooo long ago that I've forgotten almost all of what I've learnt then.
I wasn't good at writing, but times when I wrote the most, I ended up extremely depressed. I stopped writing after I made the connection.
Actually, I'm more of an appreciator of the arts rather than a doer. I've always thought that I was blessed with the ability to appreciate the works of great people but I'm not blessed with any ability to express myself artistically. Which can be bad, because you cannot have a cathartic outlet.
I've come a long way from those days when I had really crazy mood swings and all that... but I guess you can keep the demon within imprisoned, but now and then, he still struggles to get out and manifest itself!
Hahahahahaha.... now I know that some of you would be alarmed reading this!
Anyways, it's great meeting the two of you in here. Don't feel that alone all of a sudden. -
I keep my demon locked up..sometimes if he rattles the bars, I just rap him on the nose with my nightstick.
We can learn to exploit these "demons" for better things..as a fuel to drive your pursuit to greater heights..
(Remember how many essays we had to write for Lit at 'A' levels..terrible..ouch.) -
Oh yeah... that was nothing compared to the 'S' Paper.Originally posted by LazerLordz: I keep my demon locked up..sometimes if he rattles the bars, I just rap him on the nose with my nightstick.
We can learn to exploit these "demons" for better things..as a fuel to drive your pursuit to greater heights..
(Remember how many essays we had to write for Lit at 'A' levels..terrible..ouch.) We had to read a novel or play every week and sometimes, we'd be tortured with two. Read soooo many books my mom was complaining about the money spent, because I had to get the Arden Shakespeare, not just any ol' Shakespeare book for all the plays we had to read.
I wanted to study Literature in NUS and teach Literature after that but when I couldn't make it, I cried buckets and was sooo depressed, I refused to touch any literary works for months and months.
A few years later, I had almost completely forgotten what I used to know at my fingertips. Selective amnesia.
And yes, I totally understand what you mean about keeping the inner demon in check. But you know what, these things will only be fully understood by the few of us who feel more than we think. -
I had to do a play/poem every week for Practical Criticism and got bogged down with Romantic period writings..I think in the end, they really gave me an insight into the workings of women...Originally posted by Rhonda:Oh yeah... that was nothing compared to the 'S' Paper. We had to read a novel or play every week and sometimes, we'd be tortured with two. Read soooo many books my mom was complaining about the money spent, because I had to get the Arden Shakespeare, not just any ol' Shakespeare book for all the plays we had to read.
I wanted to study Literature in NUS and teach Literature after that but when I couldn't make it, I cried buckets and was sooo depressed, I refused to touch any literary works for months and months. A few years later, I had almost completely forgotten what I used to know at my fingertips. Selective amnesia.
And yes, I totally understand what you mean about keeping the inner demon in check. But you know what, these things will only be fully understood by the few of us who feel more than we think.
But I loved Lit.Always have and always will.But taking it as a major might just have an opposite effect on me...I'd rather leave it as something nice and for leisure. -
Practical Criticism was my favourite paper in Literature.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I had to do a play/poem every week for Practical Criticism and got bogged down with Romantic period writings..I think in the end, they really gave me an insight into the workings of women...
But I loved Lit.Always have and always will.But taking it as a major might just have an opposite effect on me...I'd rather leave it as something nice and for leisure. I really really loved it. It ranked up there with General Paper as my favourite subjects in JC. -
Lits...err....i only know paint and brushes...canvas.
That's about it.
The demon within? yeah i understand... -
Oooohh... an artist!Originally posted by M©+square:Lits...err....i only know paint and brushes...canvas.
That's about it.
The demon within? yeah i understand...
Whatever the medium, the demon remains the same demon! -
Remember there would be a Qn where you have to continue the prose according to the author's intention and literary device used..I loved that.Originally posted by Rhonda:Practical Criticism was my favourite paper in Literature. I really really loved it. It ranked up there with General Paper as my favourite subjects in JC.
And [email protected] to do with crafting through feelings is worthy of being here. -
Nope... are we talking about the same paper? E7? Or have they modified the syllabus since?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Remember there would be a Qn where you have to continue the prose according to the author's intention and literary device used..I loved that.
And [email protected] to do with crafting through feelings is worthy of being here.
The prac crit paper I did did not require us to read any book in advance because you'd be surprised with 1-2 poems and another 1-2 prose and asked questions on them. It was considered a tough paper and I heard a lot of JC's dropped E7 in their Lit course because it was simply too tough to prepare students for something so ad-hoc.
The paper you mentioned sounds very unfamiliar to me...