Singaporean Kids Idolizing Hitler
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Oh brotherOriginally posted by chronicles:They say you only bother about the killing part and learn that only
From what I have seen so far, alot of issues were touched on though it ended with the killing part.
Now I'm starting to wonder if your 'friends' took their degrees and PhD in Mandarin or some other language
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now what was the commotion all about?
some bunch of kids made silly comments about admiring a genocidal dictator.
are they old enough to understand? No.
so why are we adults getting so upset about it?
don't we all at one point in time, think mickey mouse dress sense is cool?
my point being, the organisers are twits. if someone is toeing the border of racial sensitivity (in this case, jews). they should've stopped it. there and then.
so what if you printed the stuffs and t-shirts already? rules are rules.
hitler has his own rules, why can't these bunch of wimps obey the ground rules set down by the organisers?
bleah. thinking of this leaves me a bad after taste. do we really have capable educators to lead the young? (i don't just mean teachers, but parents as well.) -
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Originally posted by zheshi:Alexandra the Great.. and lot of great leader... conquer other country and cause great suffering to other country too.. in the past..when they conquer a city... some would just destroy the whole city...and kill all the ppl inside.... why can we idol them and not hitler...
Hitler is suay... he go against the world great power at that time... england..france and american... and so they could just label him as bad guy or whatever... it as simple as that... if one country would go against american now... they could also be label as a fuck up country and their leader as a bad guy....
Dun forget.. how world war 1 start... it not germany fault... at that time england and germany are the world super power... whereby american is still nth... germany suay suay..lose the world..and suffer a lot from the allied... their country is already in ruin..and yet france send in troops to take control of their coal mine... -_-!!!... as war time payment...
Comparing hilter to Stalin..i would say Stalin is than the real bad guy... ..anyway i admire hilter no doubt... he able to rebuild germany to be a force to be reckon in such a short time...which seldom leader could do that..it take a great man to do that...
if u will to read more into hilter history... hilter himself admire british people a lot... for their manner and their gentleman... he even send his ppl over to england to pay respect to the queen of england at that time... but..turn out... the england.. slam him... if england would be more open toward the nazi party... maybe world war 2 would not even started... hilter has big hated for the communisum...like the allied... and it his all along plan to invade soviet ..which is what the american and allied wanted.. -
Originally posted by elindra:Now I'm starting to wonder if your 'friends' took their degrees and PhD in Mandarin or some other language
Don't know who he's trying to impress anyway. Melbourne Uni's rep is built upon two faculties: 1) Law and 2) Medicine, Dentistry and Health Sciences. History's so far down the pecking order it's not funny. -
Looks like you're the one who needs to do a bit more reading. While Hitler was "admiring" the British people, he was violating the Treaty of Versailles by reoccupying the Rhineland, building submarines and remilitarising.Originally posted by zheshi:if u will to read more into hilter history... hilter himself admire british people a lot... for their manner and their gentleman... he even send his ppl over to england to pay respect to the queen of england at that time... but..turn out... the england.. slam him... if england would be more open toward the nazi party... maybe world war 2 would not even started... hilter has big hated for the communisum...like the allied... and it his all along plan to invade soviet ..which is what the american and allied wanted..
Neville Chamberlain was too damned busy proclaiming "peace in our time" to see how dangerous Hitler's actions were for the rest of Europe. Despite protests about Germany's rebuilding of its military, he sat on his hands because he wanted to make friends with Hitler. If he had had the spine to do something before 1936, Germany would not have caused as much trouble as it did.
As for the Soviets, you DO realise that no alliance was struck because nobody could agree on who was in charge (e.g. on 18/19 March 1939, Britain and Russia could not work out which countries made up the proposed alliance), and five months later Hitler slid right in and signed a non-agression pact (which was of course violated) only because Stalin had no confidence in the alliance, right?
Sure, Hitler hated communists, but not enough to keep him from striking a deal with them, eh? For all of his love for British manners, history has shown that the sleazebag was happy to hop into bed with anybody, so long as he got his way.
Try reading - maybe you'll find out what facts are and what they do. -
Doing a lesser evil.. for the greater good.
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haven't you heard?
the road to hell is paved with good intentions...Originally posted by BadzMaro:Doing a lesser evil.. for the greater good. -
... but you only get to see said intentions once you scrape the chewing gum off.Originally posted by the Bear:haven't you heard?
the road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Sorry, I'm in a frivolous mood. -
Imagine you are in midst of world war and u are living in germany. your country is in chaos, no food, water. If someone could give u bread and water and keep you alive you will think he is god. Hitler did just that. Therefore we are in no position to comment if idolising hitler is wrong or right. He may be wrong in the eyes of one, hero in the eyes of another.
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well, if you put it like that, the devil who takes away your soul in exchange for a couple of baubles is also a hero?
nah...
maybe a few would.. but who would have thought their soul was worth so little?Originally posted by ChingAlvin:Imagine you are in midst of world war and u are living in germany. your country is in chaos, no food, water. If someone could give u bread and water and keep you alive you will think he is god. Hitler did just that. Therefore we are in no position to comment if idolising hitler is wrong or right. He may be wrong in the eyes of one, hero in the eyes of another. -
Take a look at the treaty of Versailles. It's definitely made for Germany to die, never to make a come back and what can the germans do about it? They need a leader to give them the bread of life, and i m not talking about the part where he continued on his quest which killed millions. What i was trying to say is that, different people have different opinion on Hitler. For example, A german who is desperate and Hitler have him hopes views on Hitler and a Jew's view on hitler.
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If people have their own beliefs they like who are you to change that, you also would not want people going to the streets insulting your religon or beliefs and trying to convert you.This is a DEMOCRATIC country afterall, we can only advise not change them so long as they do not start a genocide or anything!and you dare to talk about freedom when you obviously are trying to control over thought
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Precisely
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Y'know, if you start to think along these lines, then, you can easily start to think that :
- Adultery is not wrong
- Murder can be 'right', if you can prove that it's justifiable
- Crime is all a matter of perspective
- Some races ARE superior, afterall
etc etc etc...
Not everything is a gray line. Some things are plain black or white. If, for the sake of democracy, we start to demolish all the basic principles and morals we have in place, then, the society we're left in, would fall to shambles very easily.
Democracy does not equal insolence nor pure folly. Well, ok, you are free to go around and be big idiots who don't make sense, lack maturity, and don't hold your argument well, but then, ah well, it's a democracy, ain't it? -
i wonder...
a person has the right to believe that his hero is not a maniacal asswipe who tried to systematically murder a whole civilisation and everyone he thought was "inferior"...
who tried to create a whole new "aryan religion" and thought that when he "purified" the bloodline through eugenics, murder and inbreeding, the aryan race would have superpowers (seriously! the whole nazi top lea-duhs thought that)... and that they could then rule the world...
a lea-duh-ship who refused to listen to logic and went with the astrologers and mumbo-jumbo mystics... (for an example, see Rudolph Hess's idiotic flight)
who murdered his own wife and shot himself after biting into a cyanide capsule so that he would not have to face the responsibilities of his own crimes.. (Himmler murdered all 6 of his children, killed his wife then himself too)
who misled a whole nation into a war which was fuelled by his own hatred, bigotry and genocidal nature...
who.. blah blah.. (the histories were right.. your delusions were wrong)
you have the right to believe that he was a hero...
HOWEVER, true DEMOCRACY, is that we also have the right and THE RESPONSIBILITY to state the reality when faced with something so clearly wrong.. and the responsibility to tell it as it is when someone says that his hero is someone to abhorrent to everything democracy stands for, yet has the cowardice to use democracy as a shield.. it is our responsibility to expose them...
you are exposed...
democracy indeed.. freedom... has its responsibilities... and the responsibilities are heavy.. so heavy that millions died defending your very freedom to say that your hero is that asswipe..
so, keep at it... and remember.. your hero did everything he could so that people like you, who hide behind the illusion of "freedom without responsibilities" can sprout their nonsense without the jackboots and the brownshirts coming in the night to drag you away into a concentration camp..
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What MORALS, MORALS from what i know are arbitrary everyone has different of their so called morals.People pick and choose what suits them and i am sure many of you do that as well..
I might be immature but you are quick to nitpick without even reading my whole script, which is meant to be its alright to think in this or that way as long as you do not go around and causing DEATHS while doing it.
Tell me what responsibilities do you need for thinking of something but not doing it, its just a thought not an action
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UH-HUH!! And what, pray tell, were Hitler's actions??Originally posted by chronicles:What MORALS, MORALS from what i know are arbitrary everyone has different of their so called morals.
I might be immature but you are quick to nitpick without even reading my whole script, which is meant to be its alright to think in this or that way as long as you do not go around and causing DEATHS while doing it.
Tell me what responsibilities do you need for thinking of something but not doing it, its just a thought not an action
Action Speaks louder than words afterall -
and pray tell me what your actions were so as to change the mindset of people and preach about democracy, i was talking about democracy in the sense that no one has a right to control over your thought, it was not even pertained to Mr.Hitler at all
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Ah, and so now that you cannot substantiate your argument anymore, you merrily change the focus.Originally posted by chronicles:and pray tell me what your actions were so as to change the mindset of people and preach about democracy, i was talking about democracy in the sense that no one has a right to control over your thought, it was not even pertained to Mr.Hitler at all
Easy way out, kiddo.
Anyways, I leave you to your rambling lunacy. I've got better things to do now... like work. -
I am even suprised you can get a job or at the most go to a school due to your horrible linguistic skills, i said everyone has a right to worship/idolise who they want to as this is a DEMOCRATIC country as long as they do not MURDER anybody but did i ever say hitler's actions were not wrong?, at my previous arguments as well i was also implying what we do to some people now is almost comparable to what Hitler does as well.
When i say anyone has a right to idolise who they like either you or someone else said hitler was my hero -
1. You were not clear in your earlier posts and wasn't exactly keeping to the topic ie. You were making sweeping statements/remarks.Originally posted by chronicles:I am even suprised you can get a job or at the most go to a school due to your horrible linguistic skills, i said everyone has a right to worship/idolise who they want to as this is a DEMOCRATIC country as long as they do not MURDER anybody but did i ever say hitler's actions were not wrong?, at my previous arguments as well i was also implying what we do to some people now is almost comparable to what Hitler does as well.
When i say anyone has a right to idolise who they like either you or someone else said hitler was my hero
2. You keep going out of tangent.
3. You twist and turn what you 'were' trying to get across.
And you have the audacity to say that others have poor linguistic skills.
Hey kiddo, brush up on your communication skills before making comments -
At least i do not Misread people's articles and try to make it sound like they have a different opinion
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For those who posted, they did not misread and they did not try to make it sound like they have a different opinion.Originally posted by chronicles:At least i do not Misread people's articles and try to make it sound like they have a different opinion
They either wrote why they disagree with the written opinions, or they ask for clarifications by stating down other parts of history that were not mentioned in the article to say that if this was known, will they still have the same opinon.
In short, they were voicing their own opinions.......You mean you can't tell the difference? -
Well well well well well.Originally posted by ChingAlvin:Take a look at the treaty of Versailles. It's definitely made for Germany to die, never to make a come back and what can the germans do about it? They need a leader to give them the bread of life, and i m not talking about the part where he continued on his quest which killed millions. What i was trying to say is that, different people have different opinion on Hitler. For example, A german who is desperate and Hitler have him hopes views on Hitler and a Jew's view on hitler.
Not comparable.
Bear's right - it would have been fine if you'd said this in 1933, or even as late as 1938.
Wake up, dipstick - it's 2005 and we KNOW better.
Even better, why don't you ask your average present-day German what he thinks of ol' Adolf? One bit of advice: wear a hockey mask or you're sure to get your nose broken when they act upon their vehement allergy to him on your nose.