Singaporean Kids Idolizing Hitler
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Hey sport, if it's not anything to do with Hitler (the object of this thread), what place does it have here?Originally posted by chronicles:and pray tell me what your actions were so as to change the mindset of people and preach about democracy, i was talking about democracy in the sense that no one has a right to control over your thought, it was not even pertained to Mr.Hitler at all
Fer f*ck's sake, we're not even talking about democracy or free speech here. This is Singapore. We don't mention said country and democracy in the same sentence 'round these here parts, so what the hell's your beef?
Listen up and listen good, booster. The topic here is the misguided attempts of a bunch of dickhead teenagers trying to argue that Adolf was a model of good leadership. If you're not either arguing that he is or he isn't, your post has no place here. This particular post isn't about free speech or democracy - it's about thread integrity and the right of someone to click on this link and see posts about THE TOPIC on one side of the argument or the other. Is that simple enough for you to understand, or do you need to get a PhD to decipher that for you? Personally, I think you'd be better served by having your mommy illustrate that simple point in crayon for your limited intellect.
Sure, you may feel that it's your right to push sh!t if you want to, and hell, I'll tell you to knock yourself out doing that, but it's not pertinent to this discussion. Personally, I couldn't give a good goddam if you want to stick your pecker in the wrong whole, so long as it isn't mine, but if you want to talk about gay rights, start a new thread about it. At the moment, you're just going way off-line here and you've got no business b!tching if people here talk about Hitler, as they're meant to in this thread. -
"At least"? "AT LEAST"?!Originally posted by chronicles:At least i do not Misread people's articles and try to make it sound like they have a different opinion
Junior, people who say "at least" are slackers who are more than happy to settle for fifty-first best. Get outta here before I slap you like the friggin' disgrace that you are.
As it is, you don't even have an opinion of your own, instead preferring to borrow those of people who are superior to you. That's fine, except that said people are friggin' disgraces in themselves.
Tell ya what, why don't you name your good buddy in Melbourne's history department? Chances are that I sent my foot up his worthless little ass (perhaps he wanted some other part of my anatomy?
) in the 1888 building while I was doing my Psych doctorate there. 
Make no mistake - between the Arts and MDHS departments, the Arts losers will ALWAYS take off with their tails between their legs because they know they got jack to back them up at MU.
Even better, I'll kick his ass all over again when I go home to Melbourne this Thursday - are either he or you up to a second dose of humiliation?
Sheesh - try starting by being nice to some people and see the obnoxious crap you get in return.
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The only admirable thing I can say about hitler is that he was a friggin' corporal and climbed up so fast that it made half the world dizzy.
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you are contridicting yourself....Originally posted by chronicles:If people have their own beliefs they like who are you to change that, you also would not want people going to the streets insulting your religon or beliefs and trying to convert you.This is a DEMOCRATIC country afterall, we can only advise not change them so long as they do not start a genocide or anything!and you dare to talk about freedom when you obviously are trying to control over thought
you are saying that giving a loaded shotgun to a kid is ok, as long as he doesn't shoot someone.
Wake up, by the time you see the damage, it's too late. Thats why there are times where kids and idiots needs to have their thoughts straighten up.
in case you missed the definition of the word 'hero' in your pre-teens.
I don't see hitler fit any... maybe except for number 3... after all, he is the 'hero' of genocidal maniacs.
he·ro Audio pronunciation of "hero" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hîr)
n. pl. he·roes
1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.
4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.
5. Chiefly New York City. See submarine. See Regional Note at submarine. -
Honestly guys, I don't know why do we even bother.
He's soooo off the tangent and topic-hopping so much so that I think he is too lost to know what he is talking about. -
Hey, would you guys believe this?Originally posted by chronicles:I am even suprised you can get a job or at the most go to a school due to your horrible linguistic skills, i said everyone has a right to worship/idolise who they want to as this is a DEMOCRATIC country as long as they do not MURDER anybody but did i ever say hitler's actions were not wrong?, at my previous arguments as well i was also implying what we do to some people now is almost comparable to what Hitler does as well.
When i say anyone has a right to idolise who they like either you or someone else said hitler was my hero 
Well, if I have 'horrible linguistic skills', that can be easily fixed. But, now, what can be done for someone who's intellectually-challenged, has an obvious problem with his logic and reasoning skills and appears unable to keep to a linear thought pattern without digressing?
I just cannot believe this kiddo's audacity!
Hey, kiddo, what's the matter, you didn't even pay attention in school during your English classes? Your short post is full of grammatical errors. But oh right, I forgot, I'm the one who's supposed to have 'horrible linguistic skills'! How sad that we have to pay taxes to subsidise the education of degenerates like you. -
wow wow wow.....there's seems to be alot of buzz abt Hitler....
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Well well, if you idolise Stalin, you get the ISD chasing your ass. What other dictators are there left to idolise? MM Lee, perhaps.
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Tsk tsk seeing how you misinterpret my text i give up hope..maybe you should carefully read along the lines
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Look mr gednakan you talked about freedom yet want to control over thought maybe you would like to think about that first
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Good! Good! PLEASE give up hope! You're obviously thinking off-tangent and with a skewed (ir)rationality and as far as you're concerned, Silence is Golden and Good Riddance!Originally posted by chronicles:Tsk tsk seeing how you misinterpret my text i give up hope..maybe you should carefully read along the lines -
Ah.. another attempt for TNP to sentionalise the story..Originally posted by Faye Valentine:http://chlim01.blogspot.com/2005/06/evil-idol.html
TNP report
http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,90543,00.html
So damn angry while reading it...
Do these kids even know what they are doing?
have these KIDS watched movies like
schindler's list
pianist
Diary of Anne Frank???
Of coz there can be good sides of those evil people. But this is one guy who made a decision that took millions of life... broke away families... How good can a guy like this be? And all these for his own benefit. To get rid of the smart n rich jews and to create the so call Perfect human race. I bet he did not regret on his doings when he took his own life to save himself from humiliations.
and these singaporean kids... its not as if they are Germans!!!
Don't they know that according to their Idol Hitler, they are just Yellow Trash?
Remember, this is a combined band camp.. and they selected Hitler as a LEADERSHIP model.. in the way to he LEAD.. Hitler indeed has the kind of charissma that others do not have..
And remember, they also recognised the evil deeds Hitler did. But I don't think they approve of these deeds themselves..
Hence, I would not see anything wrong with such a selection..
There's a difference between "LEADERSHIP QUALITIES" and "MORALITY"..
Hitler has abundance of this first but lack of the second (even so, it depends on which side of the looking glass are you watching from).. -
No need to think about that at all. There's no lack of freedom here.Originally posted by chronicles:Look mr gednakan you talked about freedom yet want to control over thought maybe you would like to think about that first
Everybody has exercised their FREEDOM to express their views in a reasonable manner, and I have exercised my FREEDOM to respond to them in a civil manner.
In your case, you have exercised the FREEDOM to make a complete ass of yourself, calling up your piddly little history PhDs and mistakenly thinking that that's enough to impress anyone here. You have also exercised your FREEDOM to demonstrate your utter and total inability to understand the topic of a conversation and your tendency to be blinded by your desire to push your own little applecart along. I, in turn, have expressed the FREEDOM to highlight the exact manner in which you have announced the world how big a horse's posterior you are.
I have absolutely no wish to control your thoughts. Hell, son, opening a big steaming can of whup-ass on you is the most entertaining thing that's happened on this forum in dog's ages. -
Disagree. Please read through this thread and you will see more than a few cited examples of how Hitler exercised poor leadership, regardless of morality.Originally posted by earthlings73:Ah.. another attempt for TNP to sentionalise the story..
Remember, this is a combined band camp.. and they selected Hitler as a LEADERSHIP model.. in the way to he LEAD.. Hitler indeed has the kind of charissma that others do not have..
And remember, they also recognised the evil deeds Hitler did. But I don't think they approve of these deeds themselves..
Hence, I would not see anything wrong with such a selection..
There's a difference between "LEADERSHIP QUALITIES" and "MORALITY"..
Hitler has abundance of this first but lack of the second (even so, it depends on which side of the looking glass are you watching from).. -
gays were targeted too during the cleansing..Originally posted by elindra:Your comparison would be relevant if gays are being murdered or tortured and put into concentration camps.
Your argument seems to be swinging out of tangent here and I really cannot comprehend what are you trying to get at. As well, kindly enlighten us on what that PhD historian or those decorated learned people have to say and laugh at what some of us said. I believe that alot of us would be interested to know the exact details instead of sweeping statements. It would be a good learning experience as well.
http://gaylife.about.com/cs/gay101/a/gayhitler.htm
they were identified by PINK TRIANGLES in the concentration camps..
Jewish gays are the worst lot though.. -
i have read.. but there are more personal attacks/flaming than solid evidences from either camps..Originally posted by Gedanken:Disagree. Please read through this thread and you will see more than a few cited examples of how Hitler exercised poor leadership, regardless of morality. -
Ok, but I was talking more in terms of how he is comparing on the current social problems or biasness against gays and how the Germans targeted the Jews.Originally posted by earthlings73:gays were targeted too during the cleansing..
http://gaylife.about.com/cs/gay101/a/gayhitler.htm
they were identified by PINK TRIANGLES in the concentration camps..
Jewish gays are the worst lot though..
What I meant was, if we did treat gays as how the Germans than, treated the Jews, we would have concentration camps filled with tortured gays right now.
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That's odd... I saw quite a few posts with solid evidences. Start at Page 1 and you'll see.Originally posted by earthlings73:i have read.. but there are more personal attacks/flaming than solid evidences from either camps.. -
well its better den idolizing osama or saddam.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_ShepardOriginally posted by elindra:Ok, but I was talking more in terms of how he is comparing on the current social problems or biasness against gays and how the Germans targeted the Jews.
What I meant was, if we did treat gays as how the Germans than, treated the Jews, we would have concentration camps filled with tortured gays right now.
I was taking current contex and not history
you mean gay bashing? if u key in "gay bashing" in google, it will return u with hundreds of references..
anyway, i hate Hitler as a person.. i hate gay bashers..
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Actually, all right wingers should be hated. They are the ones who ride roughshod over the needs of minorities and seek to put them down at whatever cost. Just look at President Bush, for example, and you get my drift.Originally posted by earthlings73:anyway, i hate Hitler as a person.. i hate gay bashers..
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we have to first define "leadership"..Originally posted by Rhonda:That's odd... I saw quite a few posts with solid evidences. Start at Page 1 and you'll see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership
one of the most common definition is the ability to influence masses.. and Hitler did just that..
most posts revolves ard the morality issues and Gedankan approaches it from the military strategists point of view.. which i won't claim it's wrong..
but then, he's still a great leader using the traditional definition of his ability to make people believe in his vision, albeit a cruel one..
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Another quote from wikipedia
In comparing various leadership styles in many cultures, academic studies have examined the patterns in which leadership emerges and then fades, sometimes by natural succession according to established rules and sometimes by the imposition of brute force. Some scholars choose to judge the effectiveness of leadership by the size of the following that the "leader" can muster. By this standard, Adolf Hitler became a very effective leader even if through delusional promises and coercive troops.
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Ah, the importance of having charisma if you want to succeed at a leadership post.
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you know what.. when i saw george bush on the TV screen just now.. i felt like smashing his face.. then i realise that the only thing that will get hurt is my fist.. that's where i stop..Originally posted by iveco:Actually, all right wingers should be hated. They are the ones who ride roughshod over the needs of minorities and seek to put them down at whatever cost. Just look at President Bush, for example, and you get my drift.