Is there a need for all the pretense?
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He ducks! He runs! Whoop, there it is!Originally posted by Bloop...:Forget I posted anything... I understand now how and why you can put down others for what you deem as a "fake accent".
But you know what? You've provided us with so much entertainment we can't possibly let you go now. Do stick around - if you're not having a ball, we are.
You're right about one thing, though - you have been identified as a fake. For all our gasbagging about Permanent Head Damage, Rhonda's reference to my qualifications is true, and as I said before, I've lost count of the number of undergrads who I've chewed up and spat out for the crap that you've tried to pull. You're the one who's full of it, with your fancy sounding just-pulled-it-out-of-my-arse terminology, and on top of that you're so far up yourself your nose has displaced your Adam's Apple. You got too far ahead of yourself and now you've been exposed - tough.
You can softshoe and sidestep all you want, but make no mistake that the real thing's here, and I'll always nail your feet to the ground with big, fat wooden stakes.
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surely you jest - we're just getting warmed up.Originally posted by MrIllusion:I think this is a good time to do the 'we shall agree to disagree yada yada yada, no hard feelings blah blah blah, good luck in your future endeavours and so on and so forth'
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oh? i dont claim i knw it all...what i posted was just based on personal opinion. Anyway, do you mind clearing up your origins so we dont have to speculate?Originally posted by Bloop...:...and if I had said they don't even understand New Zealanders or Americans? What would that make me?
I see you guys have a very strong case of we-know-it-all syndrome.
Forget the fact that some of you need to pull out a dictionary to reply to posts, then shoot down anything you do not know as a "nonsensical phrase".
So seeing how you all know everything, then I must be wrong and I apologize.
(...but for those of you who actually want to learn something - "contextual usage", look it up) -
*eating popcorn, drinking Coke*
Erm... guys? Is the whole saga over yet? Do you think I should go get more popcorn?
Wow... there's more action in this thread than a Michael Bay movie. -
u all speak so cheem angmoh i got problem understanding.... then u all speak hokkien i lagi no understand!!! *whines*
singlish is not full hokkien sentences lah ged! u no good..... leave me out of the fun....
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Stock up, fudgester, stockl up - that was just the prologue and there's plenty more where that came from.Originally posted by fudgester:*eating popcorn, drinking Coke*
Erm... guys? Is the whole saga over yet? Do you think I should go get more popcorn?
Wow... there's more action in this thread than a Michael Bay movie. -
Pai seh leh - the Hokkien is my copper teach me during NS one, den evee bardy tok lai dat so I oso tok lai dai lah.Originally posted by tare:u all speak so cheem angmoh i got problem understanding.... then u all speak hokkien i lagi no understand!!! *whines*
singlish is not full hokkien sentences lah ged! u no good..... leave me out of the fun.... -
i no attend the "intensive language course" at SAF mah... my frenz all luff, say i no noe hokkien frm teochew.... but both sound sama sama leh.... anw both i also no understand....Originally posted by Gedanken:Pai seh leh - my Hokkien is my copper teach me during NS one leh, den evee bardy tok lai dat so I oso tok lai dai lah.
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OK lah, tok Singlish oso can!
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ged u can speak english so good, can speak hokkien, can speak singlish... does tis make u a linguist? errm..... spelling rite or not har?Originally posted by Gedanken:OK lah, tok Singlish oso can!
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No lah - here got Professor of Linguistics, you call me linguist I pai seh leh!Originally posted by tare:ged u can speak english so good, can speak hokkien, can speak singlish... does tis make u a linguist? errm..... spelling rite or not har? -
got professor har? where where?Originally posted by Gedanken:No lah - here got Professor of Linguistics, you call me linguist I pai seh leh!
aiyah even then, got professor liao cannot have linguist still meh? how can like dat one? think play monopoly har? -
Professor Bloop say lai dat one leh. He dunno tok what "grammatical accent", den wen I say "where got?" he say my Engrand now powderful enough and syuan me leh. You call me linguist he sekali come an suan me again, dun want lah!
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You all dun like tat leh.
One moment the england so powderful. Next moment the china so stlong.
Macham Twilight Zone... -
but hor if he no come suan u, then no show...Originally posted by Gedanken:Professor Bloop say lai dat one leh. He dunno tok what "grammatical accent", den wen I say "where got?" he say my Engrand now powderful enough and syuan me leh. You call me linguist he sekali come an suan me again, dun want lah!
if no show, then elindra cannot sell popcorn to MG leh....
plus hor.. i think u secretly want him to come an suan u... u r having too much fun to stop liao! -
urs also bery powerful mah..... wat is "stlong?" angmoh or singlish?Originally posted by MrIllusion:You all dun like tat leh.
One moment the england so powderful. Next moment the china so stlong.
Macham Twilight Zone... -
I agree.... I tend to vary my english depending on who i speak to. I don't have any accent... if anything I speak with a singaporean accent.Originally posted by MrIllusion:I have an English boss, as well as a Swedish colleague a while back. I noticed that while I don't put on an accent when communicating with them, I become very conscious of the way I articulate my words.
My concern is that if I speak too quickly, or too differently from the way they are used to, they will not understand me.
Most people attribute this to the 'West is Best' mentality. But I beg to differ. Think about how people who are fascinated by Japanese culture, for example, learn popular Japanese phrases and mannerisms.
I believe that at a sub-conscious level, people want acceptance, and tend to imitate the people around us, or people we like to be associated with.
But when i speak to my US colleagues, I will tend to be more accurate and articulate my words better and not to use local terms like "MC", "shiok" etc etc....
Not because I want to "suck up" to them, but we have to communicate with them and make sure they understand what we are saying.....
When I was in the US and Ireland working , esp Ireland, i noticed something.... when the "engineers" speak to the singaporeans they will slow down and their english sound very correct. but when the same engineers talk amongst themselves there is a very thick irish accent which sometimes we sporeans cannot understand....
But if you speak to like the operators lower level people, we find that they are unable to "vary" their accents and can only talk in a Irish way.
Similarly for singaporeans, if you are relatively educated, you SHOULD vary the way you speak depending on who you are speaking to and ensure that the other party understand.... -
Strong lah. some people dun like to plonounce the 'ah-ler' so 'strong' become 'stlong lor'...Originally posted by tare:urs also bery powerful mah..... wat is "stlong?" angmoh or singlish? -
Originally posted by MrIllusion:
Eh? Hokkien nang beh hiao gong ah-rer meh? Doh loh wu "stlong" ay? Kong ho seh lah - si "srong"!
[b]Strong lah. some people dun like to plonounce the 'ah-ler' so 'strong' become 'stlong lor'... [/b] -
Ai yah, dun worry, dat type don't know how to keep quiet one lah. Wait you see elindra and Rhonda post only, he sure will come and tok cock one lah.Originally posted by tare:but hor if he no come suan u, then no show...
if no show, then elindra cannot sell popcorn to MG leh....
plus hor.. i think u secretly want him to come an suan u... u r having too much fun to stop liao!
But you say oso ker-rect - this type of lao lan one I like to hamtam! -
Pai seh pai seh! wah kor le 'unreserved apology'.Originally posted by Gedanken:Eh? Hokkien nang beh hiao gong ah-rer meh? Doh loh wu "stlong" ay? Kong ho seh lah - si "srong"!
Ho sei boh? -
K K, beh hiao kin lah.
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See? Exactly what I meant. You know everything... yet you don't know that Contextual Usage is an actual term, and if you don't know it, that means it's, what did you call it again? "Jargonistic junket" and "Didactic diarrhoea" ?Originally posted by Gedanken:Wah say! "Contextual usage"? Si beh cheem sia!
OK, if you want to play the "let's make up clever sounding phrases" game, we could have some fun with that. Hell, I'll throw in some alliterations, just to make it a bit more fun.
First of all, it's not a case of us being know-it-alls - it's a case of you wading in here with your "postmodernist pontifications", trying to apply a frame of reference that is entirely inappropriate. That's the problem with postmodernism - too often it's used as a fancy excuse for "I can do whatever I bloody well please".
Despite it being pointed out to you that you're way off the mark, instead of employing any "intellectual integrity", you instead developed a case of "didactic diarrhoea" and went on a "jargonistic junket", backtracking on your initial plea to speak plain English.
The problem is that, while Rhonda could handle writing in non-plain form, you've gotten too clever for yourself and instead made youself look stupid with some nonsensical term. Whoops - did you figure that everybody would be too dazzled by your "vocabularic voluminosity" to notice that you were spewing crap?
Tough luck, Tiger - on a daily basis, I wade through tons of jargon-filled piffle to get to the simple points that some eggheads are trying to make, and what may sound clever to you is in fact nothing more than a tissue-thin covering for an argument which is so full of holes it would make a teabag look like a submarine.
To summarise, your "demagogical desires" have fallen flat on this forum, not because we are a bunch of know-it-alls, but because of your "sagacious shortcomings". Deal with it.
Maybe you need to let the rest of the English speaking world know this too.
Before you do that though, at least learn what a catch-phrase actually is. You may be able to fool some people here by trying to dodge around, and instead on focusing on the messages, you try to distract by showing that you only know how to use the word "accent" as it appears in your dictionary (what's that bit again about muddying the point?).. but ultimately if you can't admit, even to yourself, that there is more to language, any language, than what you already know. Then now knowing that something like Contextual Usage actually exists, that's the least of your problems. -
You're the one who's missed the point. The fact of the matter is that you've argued your way around a circle and ended up showing that you couldn't reason your way out of a paper bag.
Now you're throwing in enough red herrings to wreck the Japanese and Norwegian seafood markets in an attempt to hide your screw-up. You may be of limited enough intellect to miss the forest for the trees, but don't insult the rest of us by assuming we have the same limitation. You can say that it's contextual usage and piddle on about grammatical accents, but at the end of the day it's still all bullsh!t because you're still wrong.
I will again bring up the key point here. You started saying that Rhonda was writing in a way that was not natural to Singaporeans, as a way of arguing against elindra's point about fake accents. I showed how, as a result of Singapore's education system, Rhonda's writing is in fact natural to Singaporeans since that was the way we were taught to write according to the standard school syllabus in Singapore. Let me put it in short form since you seem to have difficulty concentrating on the salient points:
YOU ARE WRONG.
So, don't go trying to distract from the issue with crap like contextual usage and grammatical accents. Because you're too dumb to realise it, let me tell you in plain English:
NONE OF YOUR PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL JARGON CHANGES THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG
Don't go trying to tell anyone how clever you are by pulling clever-sounding phrases out of your arse. In fact, I now have you wrong on a second count:
YOU SAID SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH, AND NOW YOU'RE BRINGING UP FANCY JARGON TO AVOID ADMITTING YOU'RE WRONG
The context here is the issue of your not recognising your mistake in claiming that Rhonda's writing is unnatural for Singaporeans, even though I've clearly hauled you up on that point. Instead of recognising the context when it slaps you in the face, you ironically go on a tangent of contextual usage. Therefore:
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO APPLY THE FANCY NONSENSE YOU'RE SPEWING
I've got no compunction about calling you a hypocrite when the situation calls for it. You're a hypocrite, and a dumb one at that.
Don't waste anybody's time trying to sound educated - it doesn't take a whole lot of education to see right through you. To quote Quint in Jaws, you "don't have the education enough to admit when you're wrong".
Stop with the rubbish already. Just answer this simple question: "Given the way English is taught in Singapore, is Rhonda's writing really unnatural for Singaporeans?". A simple yes or no will do, and nothing else you say will count. -
u two stop toking hokkien leh!! or at least translate it mah....Originally posted by Gedanken:K K, beh hiao kin lah.