Can you believe this?
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i found this at sammyboy forum.
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no more 35 yrs & above, now it has dropped to 32 yrs & above!
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Subject: Bank VP Becums Hawker Cleaner. Proud?
From: (LOVEDAVE)
To: (ISaySo2)
DateTime: 30/07/2005 10:03:27
Yeah I was working as a temp in a local company in the HR dept, my duty
is to sort out documents and mails, very easy for an oldman like me. My
instruction was then very simple, throw away all job
applications from anyone age 32 and above! I did as told, but I was
puzzled why they do that and why they hired an oldman like me temporarily
to do the sorting job. After pondering for a while, well
maybe they just want to keep it hush hush, and an oldman as temp will
not talk, and even if he talks no one notices! Such practices suck, but
Singapore condoned it, so it perpetuates! -
Sensational...
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this is really a bad sign.
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but there is nothing you can do.Originally posted by dragg:this is really a bad sign. -
I guess its kinda common, its either prejudice against age, discrimination against sex, religion or whatsoever factors.
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well, if he blew the whistle on the company to MOM or the press, the whole thing will blow up...
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In other Western developed countries, the company will fall into big trouble with the unions and even, the respective govt ministries, for age discrimination.
Sadly, here, there has so far been no deterrance against such unfair practices.
We still have a long, long way to go when it comes to human rights.
We will only start to make progress when people get concerned enough to effect change by voicing out their strong opinions and / or lending support to those who stand on the soapbox.
BTW, I'm kinda shocked that they cap the age limit at 32. I mean, it's not like you're over the hill when you hit 32!
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What if it's a woman instead? Does it make it more acceptable then?Originally posted by F Bunta:dragg shoud be most likely referring to a junior post whereby a younger person will be more willing to learn and enthusiastic to perform. In the case of a senior post, the candidate usually needs to have 10 or more years of experience in a management capacity. In my case, I will ask myself why I want to employ a 30+ guy who worked for so long stuck at the bottom rung. -
it is crazy what the HR/employers are doing. our population is ageing. there will be more and more people older than 32.
those who suggested such a criteria have no brains. doesnt he or she has relatives, family members and friends older than 32?
the job market is getting from bad to worst!!! -
there's a saying that the HR department is the most evil of all departments in every organisation you will even work for...
ever read Dilbert?
what is Catbert?
he's the Evil HR Director.. and after seeing the HR at my organisation work, i tend to agree with Scott Adams.. -
Sexist! Are you in HR?Originally posted by F Bunta:I will look at her photograph first, but nowdays girls are also very proficient at Photoshop
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is this a joke? are you saying that all singaporeans 32 and above should be qualified to be a manager by now? this is the most preposterous statement i have ever heard.Originally posted by F Bunta:It is a highly competitive market now, and all employers want value-for-money too. Employing younger people for menial makes sense. If you're 32 and still not qualified to be a manger, then it's time to upgrade yourself.
maybe we can do a poll at club 30 and see how many of us are managers. -
question:
not everyone flies high.. and those who fly high, may not be eagles but vultures...
so.. what do you do with the normal working hack who does his little "menial job" well and goes through life being content?
you fire him?
i'd HIRE him!Originally posted by F Bunta:It is a highly competitive market now, and all employers want value-for-money too. Employing younger people for menial makes sense. If you're 32 and still not qualified to be a manger, then it's time to upgrade yourself. -
But not everybody wants to be a manager, right? Based on what you say, then there won't be anyone above 32 who is not a manager?Originally posted by F Bunta:If you're 32 and still not qualified to be a manger, then it's time to upgrade yourself.
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actually this is what the market is doing now. retrench the older workers, good or bad. employ younger people. cut cost and rejuvenate the company!!!Originally posted by the Bear:question:
not everyone flies high.. and those who fly high, may not be eagles but vultures...
so.. what do you do with the normal working hack who does his little "menial job" well and goes through life being content?
you fire him?
i'd HIRE him! -
i actually tore into a con-man-sultant who was advocating "rejuvenation" of the organisation...
they just echo whatever fad is going on and whatever the "management gurus" vomit out... and if you figure things out, you will find that most of the management idiots are sprouting complete and utter hogwash.. just that they are so skilled at BS-ing their way around, people believe them!
the biggest lots are conmen like Timothy Robbins or whatever.. they come in, charge people $1,500 a day and make everyone repeat enough "i can do it!!"
then they sell their management rubbish to them.. everyone eats up the fetid manure like it was top-rate caviar..
so, what do you do with the hardworking dude who puts in his time, is productive and is content? you don't retrench him.. he's the backbone of your company!! you look after him! and he'll work hard for your company..
unfortunately, senior management is so taken in by the "gurus" that we, the normal working hacks, end up paying the price for their stupidity...Originally posted by dragg:actually this is what the market is doing now. retrench the older workers, good or bad. employ younger people. cut cost and rejuvenate the company!!! -
actually, i'd think about it.. for that $300 more, you get someone who is mature enough to do his work well..
he may not have risen to management.. not everyone does.. but he's able and skilled enough and with EXPERIENCE!
give the fresh guy a break.. if possible.. but never ever write off someone who can and is able to do stuff without much training...
think of what is good for the company, not what is uttered by some con-men-sultants..Originally posted by F Bunta:I was about to reply the rest when dragg said it all.
Let's say you're employing a clerk, A is 20 years old and asking for $1200, while B is 38 years old and asking $1500. I'll employ A anytime.
If you have not progressed sufficiently through the years, then you must be prepared to accept a much lower pay for the same job. -
which is silly and ridiculous. a worker should be judged individually.Originally posted by F Bunta:You may want to look at it from management's perspective. The stereotype of the older worker is that they are more stubborn, more resistant to changes, harder to control/manipulate, less willing to work OT, more streetwise on skiving, less energetic, less willing to learn and upgrade.
I'm not saying all older workers are like that but that's how the management sees it.
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you wanna know something?
most of the time, it's the management that are the stubborn and ignorant lot..
to them, upgrade has one meaning: they get to put in more gizmos which will not work and will waste a lot of company money... the older and more experienced ones will tell them that... and suddenly, the older and experienced workers are "stubborn and less willing to learn"...
i've met more than my share of them and a lot of them hate me for revealing that they themselves are more stupid and arrogant (and usually totally imcompetent)..
i guess i'll never ever make management Originally posted by F Bunta:You may want to look at it from management's perspective. The stereotype of the older worker is that they are more stubborn, more resistant to changes, harder to control/manipulate, less willing to work OT, more streetwise on skiving, less energetic, less willing to learn and upgrade.
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Well, the young tends to try to 'reinvent the wheel' They always think the older people doesn't know nuts and try to start everything from scratch because they need to prove themselves.
I think it is very much based on the industry and the nature of job because for some work, older people are really much more suitable for it though I wouldn't even consider 32 old at all!!!
I have a huge shining example on how management made a huge multi-million boo boo and practically all the young staff ran away because they didn't want to clean up the shit. Older staff tends to stay on because it is harder for them to get a job outside and is much more willing to take hardship.
Of course you have those stubborn ones but you can't condemn the whole flock because of a few black uns.
Btw, I am not 30 yet
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Hmm..i should make myself indispensable or too valuable to be fired. Time to start polishing apples
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i dont know if anyone of you here knows the song of one of our earlier courtesy campaigns?
it goes like this; make courtesy our way of life.
now we change it to; make sucking up our way of life.
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when you make yourself indispensable and too valuable to fire, you'll be too indispensable to be promoted too
remember thatOriginally posted by alexkusu:Hmm..i should make myself indispensable or too valuable to be fired. Time to start polishing apples -
what goes around comes around.
these so-called managers might one day lose their jobs too. -
well...not a bad idea if job security is my aim. Just need to make sure I can afford to switch companies n change jobs whenever I want. Not going to follow the japanese way of company's loyalty till the end...unless of course if its mineOriginally posted by the Bear:when you make yourself indispensable and too valuable to fire, you'll be too indispensable to be promoted too
remember that