Can you believe this?
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actually i tend to disagree on this. younger folks may be quite unsuited for menial and repetitive jobs and get bored of them or are more ambitious and feel they have a higher station in life.
older folks, on the other hand, may really understand what the true nature of the job is and have realistic expectations of what it brings.
maybe managers just don't like having people older than them working under them... easier to manage younger folks...Originally posted by F Bunta:
It is a highly competitive market now, and all employers want value-for-money too. Employing younger people for menial makes sense. If you're 32 and still not qualified to be a manger, then it's time to upgrade yourself. -
actually i tend to disagree on this. younger folks may be quite unsuited for menial and repetitive jobs and get bored of them or are more ambitious and feel they have a higher station in life.
yup, but that dosen't stop them from competing for these jobs either.
anyway, the bottom line is that employers prefer younger workers who are much more willing to accept a lower pay. less family commitments, more eagerness.
and hence the new culture of planning a back route. I don't agree with company loyalty anymore. I think it's an old concept meant for folks back in the 70s who actually had to band and work together to make money. We don't do that nowadays, it's usually a close to strictly employer/employee relationship nowadays, what with all the faceless corporations and all. If you're an accountant/lawyer you'd understand the importance of your personal market value to the company.
Sure sure we could spend all the time here talking about how folks in their 30s are finding it hard to find proper reemployment, how unfair companies are, discrimination etc. but it's not going to change the fact these people are jobless.
Anyway, to cite a real simple example, some dude from my company job hopped back into where i used to work, each time with a better salary and higher position. and he was musing about how he might actually have been retrenched in the several restructuring exercises the company has gone through. qualifications aside, it's really about moving on.
Interestingly enough, singaporeans who leave singapore and return as an expatriate tend to earn a much higher pay. just ask those psc bond breakers.
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All those above 32.... pls heed the governement call ... our government has redesign the job of cleaner, security officer and create more opportunity in the transport inductry ie Taxi ...so more Sporean can relish their dream to be their own boss ...nevermind the lesser income cabby are getting
So by age of 32 so wat if you have a PHD ...so long you have not acquire any strategic skillset or lock elbow with the top brass welcome to the industry of washing toilet , door watcher , modern day trishaw rider and you have a very good prospect of earning a four figure salary $1000 if you work at least 12 hours a day. Never mind the living expenses are forever rising
Infact the garment felt they have done a good job..if you watch the news closely the Minister go on TV and press to sing praise of themselves...nevermind we are seeing more pple out of jobs
We Singaporean must be quite proud of our garment for wat they have done for us...
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so does that mean very soon the pre-requisite of being bus drivers, cleaners, toilet cleaners will be at least degree and above?
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Eh... have you started working yet or are you still studying? I asked this because what you said sounded pretty lofty.Originally posted by F Bunta:It is a highly competitive market now, and all employers want value-for-money too. Employing younger people for menial makes sense. If you're 32 and still not qualified to be a manger, then it's time to upgrade yourself.
Going by your pretty erm... 'unique' rationale and assumption that if you're 32 and still not a manager, then you ought to upgrade self, does it mean that you expect all 32-year-olds who are gainfully employed, to be managers and if they aren't, then something's wrong with them?!
Let's get real... look around you. If ALL 32-year-olds (and older) who are 'productive' according to your assumed pre-requisite are managers, then, there would be helluva lotta managers around!!!
And, excuse me... you don't have to be a manager to be considered productive and efficient, ok?
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Your theory cannot be found in any HRM leh, please give a pointer.Originally posted by F Bunta:I'm much older than 32
When you're old, you have to ensure that you have sufficient skill set and experience for certain positions that a younger and cheaper person would not be competent. Short of that, you would have to ask for same pay as them. -
what kind of job?Originally posted by F Bunta:I'm much older than 32 When you're old, you have to ensure that you have sufficient skill set and experience for certain positions that a younger and cheaper person would not be competent. Short of that, you would have to ask for same pay as them. -
Much as we hate it, we are moving towards a knowledge-based economy. Past experience and knowledge may not count for much if we do not acquire new skills and knowledge. Think that's what F Bunta means..
My uncle was an IT professor who wrote books on Cobol 20 years ago...but he may not get a job with that knowledge today if he has not progresssed to newer versions and languages.
Companies will pay a premium for experience only if it makes a lot of difference to the output. Otherwise, they prefer cheaper, younger staff. Therefore, I would say job hop all you want, earn as much as possible when you are younger, retire early and start your own business if possible.
The employer CPF contribution drops after 50, effectively reducing my pay. Why should I continue to work for the company if they are going to cut my pay after 50? Thankfully, my qualifications allow me to work overseas where they are in need of my skills. So once my bond ends and I reach 50, I will demand a pay rise to neutralize the effect of the CPF cut (which will shock my employers) or I will retire early and cash out of Singapore.
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Companies will pay a premium for experience only if it makes a lot of difference to the output. Otherwise, they prefer cheaper, younger staff. Therefore, I would say job hop all you want, earn as much as possible when you are younger, retire early and start your own business if possible.
W: Erm...I don't think employers with the old mindset look too kindly on job hopping even though times have changed. So, it's best to do it cautiously. I read that some employers don't even consider contract jobs to be real serious jobs.
The employer CPF contribution drops after 50, effectively reducing my pay. Why should I continue to work for the company if they are going to cut my pay after 50? Thankfully, my qualifications allow me to work overseas where they are in need of my skills. So once my bond ends and I reach 50, I will demand a pay rise to neutralize the effect of the CPF cut (which will shock my employers) or I will retire early and cash out of Singapore.
Singapore does not care about company loyalty...older workers have to think about our own welfare.
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This thread, together with another thread in Club 30 about unemployment, makes me recall my 'turning point' six years back. That was when I was working in Human Resources and my company had just acquired two other firms who were once our competitors. With the sudden influx of staff, top management pit staff against staff so that the 'better' staff would keep their jobs whilst those who didn't prove themselves worthy enough would be retrenched.
It was a very stressful and ugly time. It was also then, that I realised that if I sat on my laurels, the very same thing might happen to me as I became an older employee. I also started to resent the person I had become, because let's face it, in order to survive and succeed in your career, you sometimes had to resort to doing things you might not be proud of.
That was when, lots of prayers later, I decided to give it all up to become a nurse.
Nursing was appealing because not only do you get paid to do meaningful things that will affect people's lives, you'll also enjoy job security and be geographically mobile. 
Back then, I already wanted to 'bail out' of Singapore.
Reading about the unemployment and the bad job situation here makes me shudder. I really really feel bad for those of you who are still struggling to get a good job. The stress you must be facing must be terrible!
I guess even when you're secure and living a comfy, cushy life, it's good to have the foresight to look into the future and try to make plans that will ensure your employ-ability. Never wait till the last minute to make plans like these. In such cases, it's better to think one step ahead of your employers, than to have to resort to 'contingency plans'. -
frankly i am totally lost and dont know what to do next.Originally posted by Rhonda:This thread, together with another thread in Club 30 about unemployment, makes me recall my 'turning point' six years back. That was when I was working in Human Resources and my company had just acquired two other firms who were once our competitors. With the sudden influx of staff, top management pit staff against staff so that the 'better' staff would keep their jobs whilst those who didn't prove themselves worthy enough would be retrenched.
It was a very stressful and ugly time. It was also then, that I realised that if I sat on my laurels, the very same thing might happen to me as I became an older employee. I also started to resent the person I had become, because let's face it, in order to survive and succeed in your career, you sometimes had to resort to doing things you might not be proud of.
That was when, lots of prayers later, I decided to give it all up to become a nurse. Nursing was appealing because not only do you get paid to do meaningful things that will affect people's lives, you'll also enjoy job security and be geographically mobile. Back then, I already wanted to 'bail out' of Singapore.
Reading about the unemployment and the bad job situation here makes me shudder. I really really feel bad for those of you who are still struggling to get a good job. The stress you must be facing must be terrible!
I guess even when you're secure and living a comfy, cushy life, it's good to have the foresight to look into the future and try to make plans that will ensure your employ-ability. Never wait till the last minute to make plans like these. In such cases, it's better to think one step ahead of your employers, than to have to resort to 'contingency plans'. -
Skill ... acquire a skill and it will benefit one for the lifetime. Our old folk's wisdom is never wrong.
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I read somewhere that you are looking for industrial indoor sales, right? Since times are still bad, perhaps can try to cast your net wider for slightly different jobs with a wider/different scope. Success depends on how receptive the employer is, how you market yourself (think about how to link your previous job experiences to the new job) and luck. May be worth a try.Originally posted by dragg:frankly i am totally lost and dont know what to do next.
To help you find your direction, do an inventory of your skills and experiences, things/jobs/industries that you like to do/go into and those you don't like to do/go into, areas which you already know and those which you would like to explore. Use this list to narrow down the industry/jobs that you would like to go for. Hope this can help. Good luck! -
i have applied for other positions too, but so far not even a single interview.Originally posted by Wanda:I read somewhere that you are looking for industrial indoor sales, right? Since times are still bad, perhaps can try to cast your net wider for slightly different jobs with a wider/different scope. Success depends on how receptive the employer is, how you market yourself (think about how to link your previous job experiences to the new job) and luck. May be worth a try.
To help you find your direction, do an inventory of your skills and experiences, things/jobs/industries that you like to do/go into and those you don't like to do/go into, areas which you already know and those which you would like to explore. Use this list to narrow down the industry/jobs that you would like to go for. Hope this can help. Good luck! -
Hmm... still, how about trying for posts you've never ever thought of? Even if it's like a supermart checkout counter position? This will keep an income coming in whilst you continue your job search.Originally posted by dragg:i have applied for other positions too, but so far not even a single interview.
I'm sure there's a need for Night shift cashiers and counter staff, but you must need to get out of your comfort zone (sorry to use that cliche) for those jobs.
I think after the initial period of enjoying your newfound freedom with abandonment, it's best to quickly get a job, sometimes, even, any job, just so you'll not end up getting demoralised and that you'll be occupied. Keeping busy can be therapeutic at times.
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Actually, job experience aside, where does your aptitude lie?Originally posted by dragg:frankly i am totally lost and dont know what to do next.
One of the many turning points that made me decide on Nursing was the fact that in Secondary School and / or JC, I was very good in English and Pure Biology. Since I didn't want to be an English teacher, I thought that the next best option would be Nursing, where I could get to do Anatomy and Physiology.
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unfortunately i am not good at anything.Originally posted by Rhonda:Actually, job experience aside, where does your aptitude lie?
One of the many turning points that made me decide on Nursing was the fact that in Secondary School and / or JC, I was very good in English and Pure Biology. Since I didn't want to be an English teacher, I thought that the next best option would be Nursing, where I could get to do Anatomy and Physiology.
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that's BS and you know it
find something you're good at!Originally posted by dragg:unfortunately i am not good at anything. -
employers want a ferrari for the price of a picanto...
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Everyone has an aptitude for something. You just have to discover it.Originally posted by dragg:unfortunately i am not good at anything. dragg, don't feel so demoralised! Chin up!