Birth Rate hits all time low
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You guys came back from the mooncake fest celebration fast eh?
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where there is no "growth" it's called "decline"
if there is maintaining the current number, they'll call it "stagflation" in terms of economic terms..
they'll never go for it...
besides, we're already overpopulated...
if they keep saying "greying population", when will it end?
maintaining the current population will mean maintaining this ratio of "greying population".. and they're talking about lowering the ratio..
how? voluntary euthanasia?
the answer is actually to lower the population...
and in terms of the classical flawed economics, it's pretty feasible...
but again, it's way too hard and the gabrament will never ever go for it...Originally posted by Rhonda:If the govt is encouraging high birth rates so that we can hit 7 million, then that's crazy.
But the birth rate that they're targetting at now, is hardly going to yield a population of 7 million.
Aren't we just looking to maintain current no.s?
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I recall a Singapore government official stating, some years ago, that 10 million was the figure that needed to be reached in order for the country's economy to achieve some sort of critical mass and be able to generate the level of activity required for self-sufficiency. This statement was made, I believe, in reference to the role of MNCs in Singapore's economy.Originally posted by the Bear:then what? singapore shoots for a population of 10million?
The precise context of the statement notwithstanding, I distinctly recall that my initial reaction to the 10 million figure was one of utter incredulity. The Singapore government may eventually be able to achieve these lofty population growth goals, but I have to wonder about the effects on the standard of living.
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The solution to "greying population" is not necessarily to boost birth rate. The grey population can also work longer into their old age, so as not to increase the burden on the shrinking younger population.
I believe that the main factor contributing to our lower birth rate is our preoccupation with work and career. Every couple wants to be a dual income family in order to afford that car or condo sooner, or to guard against a recession. Starting a family is not a priority. It is a trade-off that we make for our economic growth. Lazier societies in other countries have slower economic growth but higher birthrates. -
10 million??!!!Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:I recall a Singapore government official stating, some years ago, that 10 million was the figure that needed to be reached in order for the country's economy to achieve some sort of critical mass and be able to generate the level of activity required for self-sufficiency. This statement was made, I believe, in reference to the role of MNCs in Singapore's economy.
The precise context of the statement notwithstanding, I distinctly recall that my initial reaction to the 10 million figure was one of utter incredulity. The Singapore government may eventually be able to achieve these lofty population growth goals, but I have to wonder about the effects on the standard of living.
MG
*peng sanz!!
Let me get outta here before that nightmare happens!!
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Do you have any idea how infirm a large proportion of the elderly become? Debilitating illnesses, as well as chronic ailments, might prevent them from working as long as they might desire.Originally posted by dracky:The solution to "greying population" is not necessarily to boost birth rate. The grey population can also work longer into their old age, so as not to increase the burden on the shrinking younger population. -
4.2M population...
But what we lack? We lack self sufficency in food and water (Our 2 basics).. Yet they wanna increase pop... -
Maybe we lack Chinese population?
Malay shld be no problem. Every Malay couple is producing and mutiplying like no business. Look at Wendy Jacobs and Fandi Ahmad. Look at the Malay wedding at the void deck and you will see every family bringing 5 to 6 children.
5-6 children is a norm in Malay community.
So I think the govt is worried more for the Chinese population. After all, we are the majority. If we drop, the the whole country population will bleed.
But then, the govt has to come up with something better and more practical than baby bonus. -
our govt's target is 7 million, whatever the reason is.
as for land scarcity it is a myth. we have plenty of land!! -
It will be interesting to know out of the 35,100 new born, how many are bear by Singaporean mother.Originally posted by dragg:last year's birth hit 35100, way short of govt's target of 50000.
will the baby bonus help?
i seriously doubt.
so expect to see more chinese immigrants...
Government already say that singapore is a global city, so I wont be surprise that one day % of foreigners will be more than Singaporeans. -
how so?
please, do tell...
the land is there.. but we use it at what cost?Originally posted by dragg:our govt's target is 7 million, whatever the reason is.
as for land scarcity it is a myth. we have plenty of land!! -
i would rather singaporeans not have children than to give birth for the wrong reason.Originally posted by Honeybunz:But then, the govt has to come up with something better and more practical than baby bonus. -
I dunno..but with our current population, there are many people everywhere, even during the weekdays...weekends lagi worse
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i stubborn.. i dun care wat the govt is saying or giving.... nor wat others (aka parents and relatives) are saying....
i'm gonna have a baby when i'm ready..... and when my hubby can afford me to be home to take care of the baby.... i not abt to throw my kid to some maid/child care.... tat's my kid, it's my responsibility... plus i'm too freak out to have a monkey in the house... i'll make sure he's well trained
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Another way is to give monetary compensation those pregnant women who lost their job or can't find a job.
Don't worry. Our gahmen has lotsa money. It's a matter of whether they want to do it or not. -
That one seriously $$ cannot settle the prob..Originally posted by Honeybunz:Another way is to give monetary compensation those pregnant women who lost their job or can't find a job.
Don't worry. Our gahmen has lotsa money. It's a matter of whether they want to do it or not.
Have to make sure employers do their bit. Esp MNC, they have pro-family measures in Europe but not in Asia -
The problem is our gahmen dare not implement anything to piss off the employers. They are always on a constant fear that the investors and companies here will one day all move out of Singapore. As it is, most of the MNC have already moved part of their sg operations to overseas like China, Philippines, India and Australia.Originally posted by sbst275:That one seriously $$ cannot settle the prob..
Have to make sure employers do their bit. Esp MNC, they have pro-family measures in Europe but not in Asia
So to summarise what I have suggested:
two points:
1) Pay the employers "baby bonus" in a way to reward them for keeping the pregnant workers or encourage them to encourage their female workers to produce and multiply. The bonus has to be paid in instalments over a period of time (let's say one year) so that it will take a longer time for the employers to receive the full amount. In the midst of the instalment, should the female staff be terminated or resign on their own, the payment will be stopped. This will also indirectly encourage working mothers to continue working and contribute to the company or the society.
2) Govt to pay welfare to pregnant woman who can find jobs or lost their current job after they have been certified pregnant by the doctor. Women who are in between jobs will not want to make babies for fear that they will lose their job during probation period if they happen to be pregnant. So they will postpone their baby making plan till they find a job. When they land on a job, again, they will postpone the plan. Why? Cuz most employers will not like to see their new staff going on maternity leave or MC too often (to go for checkup) within the first 12 months of employment. -
That's why...Originally posted by Honeybunz:The problem is our gahmen dare not implement anything to piss off the employers. They are always on a constant fear that the investors and companies here will one day all move out of Singapore. As it is, most of the MNC have already moved part of their sg operations to overseas like China, Philippines, India and Australia.
So to summarise what I have suggested:
two points:
1) Pay the employers "baby bonus" in a way to reward them for keeping the pregnant workers or encourage them to encourage their female workers to produce and multiply. The bonus has to be paid in instalments over a period of time (let's say one year) so that it will take a longer time for the employers to receive the full amount. In the midst of the instalment, should the female staff be terminated or resign on their own, the payment will be stopped. This will also indirectly encourage working mothers to continue working and contribute to the company or the society.
2) Govt to pay welfare to pregnant woman who can find jobs or lost their current job after they have been certified pregnant by the doctor. Women who are in between jobs will not want to make babies for fear that they will lose their job during probation period if they happen to be pregnant. So they will postpone their baby making plan till they find a job. When they land on a job, again, they will postpone the plan. Why? Cuz most employers will not like to see their new staff going on maternity leave or MC too often (to go for checkup) within the first 12 months of employment.
But, then the moved out not because of policies
But mainly they go with where their customers go... -
have you ever wonder how lesser people from countries can still afford to have so many children?Originally posted by Honeybunz:The problem is our gahmen dare not implement anything to piss off the employers. They are always on a constant fear that the investors and companies here will one day all move out of Singapore. As it is, most of the MNC have already moved part of their sg operations to overseas like China, Philippines, India and Australia.
So to summarise what I have suggested:
two points:
1) Pay the employers "baby bonus" in a way to reward them for keeping the pregnant workers or encourage them to encourage their female workers to produce and multiply. The bonus has to be paid in instalments over a period of time (let's say one year) so that it will take a longer time for the employers to receive the full amount. In the midst of the instalment, should the female staff be terminated or resign on their own, the payment will be stopped. This will also indirectly encourage working mothers to continue working and contribute to the company or the society.
2) Govt to pay welfare to pregnant woman who can find jobs or lost their current job after they have been certified pregnant by the doctor. Women who are in between jobs will not want to make babies for fear that they will lose their job during probation period if they happen to be pregnant. So they will postpone their baby making plan till they find a job. When they land on a job, again, they will postpone the plan. Why? Cuz most employers will not like to see their new staff going on maternity leave or MC too often (to go for checkup) within the first 12 months of employment.
The problem doesnt lies with the government, but more on your willingness to sacrifice the 5 Cs for your children. -
cos most prefer to have 5Cs not 6Cs (the 6th being CHILDREN)!Originally posted by Gazelle:have you ever wonder how lesser people from countries can still afford to have so many children?
The problem doesnt lies with the government, but more on your willingness to sacrifice the 5 Cs for your children. -
MOST ... not all .....Originally posted by tare:cos most prefer to have 5Cs not 6Cs (the 6th being CHILDREN)! -
yup.. but it's the 6th.... so wait lor, wait till got the 1st 5Cs...Originally posted by Fatum:MOST ... not all ..... -
10 million singaporeans in singapore would be funny.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:I recall a Singapore government official stating, some years ago, that 10 million was the figure that needed to be reached in order for the country's economy to achieve some sort of critical mass and be able to generate the level of activity required for self-sufficiency. This statement was made, I believe, in reference to the role of MNCs in Singapore's economy.
The precise context of the statement notwithstanding, I distinctly recall that my initial reaction to the 10 million figure was one of utter incredulity. The Singapore government may eventually be able to achieve these lofty population growth goals, but I have to wonder about the effects on the standard of living.
MG
Nowadays, singaporeans are trying to distance themselves from each others, imagine what happens if there are actually 10 million of us/them.
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I thought it was only 5 million? I recall someone telling me that our sewage system are enough to cater for about 5 million people.Originally posted by seow:10 million singaporeans in singapore would be funny.
Nowadays, singaporeans are trying to distance themselves from each others, imagine what happens if there are actually 10 million of us/them. -
On a cynical point of view,SG has got the influx of foreign graduates and displace sgporeans,I mean our country later on will essentially be runned by foreigners who get their PRs here wad,so why not let our govt. be runned by foreigners living here who have lived here for more than 5 years?I mean,we can get topper/better peeps to run our govt. @ half the price at least coz our govt is paid top-notch money-more than presidents of other more developed nations,and they than raise our cost of living and say that we should not indulge in vanity and say that we needa pay top money for 'em who are in parliament! I mean are they really top-notch when sg ppl have to stoop so low such as to cheat bus fares if they've got money to spare,I mean,would u go stealing chocolates in a 7-eleven outlet when u've got a million bucks in your nets account to foot that 'peanuts' worth of bill?answer is NO,also,our govt. gives us jobs redesigned and its wad?A sgporeans dream job supposedly?I mean why in the world are so many peeps voting our govt for asking us to fit into the mould of their gosh,'slavery'? oh yeah,I just wanna add that our parliament also has got White Man serving as MP,so indirectly saying that 'foreigners' also can be our MPs and heads of states wad,just look at US,ARNOLD SCHW...I dont know how to spell his whole name,pardon my ignorance
