Club 30's 'Kill the Boredom Demon' Jive Pad (Third Edition)
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You are incredibly well-travelled !Originally posted by Wanda:Went with my hubby...Yunan, guizho/Anshun, part of the silk route - Dunhuang & Xinjiang in the north west.
Choco: yeah, Thailand at most 1-2 wks is good enough, have done backpacking in Chiang Mai, Kanchanaburi, etc. before China. After we did China, my hubby finds Thailand not spectacular liao.
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Huh? Can only get the last bit.Originally posted by The man who was death:wahh du wan juan shu bu ru xing wan li lu -
boss help me plan liao ........Originally posted by choco B:What's everyone's plans for the holidays next week?
go back to work
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You're right that the c'tryside is much better....been to Phuket, pattaya too...may try the northern and northeast border next.Originally posted by Fatum:There's Erawan National park in Kanchanaburi ....
or perhaps this time you can go northeast to Isan ....
I love the Thai country side .... more than bangkok actually ....
or can go hit the beaches ? ...
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Chia MC ai mai...i sell u Bukit Batok Polyclinic MC Booklet at $50 ai mai...Originally posted by InnoHippo:boss help me plan liao ........
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Not quite lah...if you go for a trip every year...you'll cover as many places when you reach your 30's.Originally posted by choco B:You are incredibly well-travelled !
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Isan National Park ! ...Originally posted by Wanda:You're right that the c'tryside is much better....been to Phuket, pattaya too...may try the northern and northeast border next.
What's at Isan?
I'm a sucker for national parks ...
around pattaya there's Khao Yai National park .... and east out from pattaya there's
Koh Samet, and the surrounding islands which are beautiful and quite unspoilt, unlike phuket ...
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Aww... OT pay?Originally posted by InnoHippo:boss help me plan liao ........
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I have alot of constraints deh... T____T Monetary, leave, etcetc.
If I manage to cover half your mileage, consider very good liaoOriginally posted by Wanda:Not quite lah...if you go for a trip every year...you'll cover as many places when you reach your 30's. -
Hmm...where to start...briefly, Dunhuang is famous for the caves with its Buddhist drawings dating thousands of years back, the most famous being Mo Gao Ku which is opened to the public, and there's the the Ming Sha Shan which is a dessert to play sand in, ride camels lah. Also found here is the town (forgot the name) with the Flaming Mountains (Huo yan shan) from the Journey to the West stories....so called coz the temp is really really hot, easily over 45+ deg C.Originally posted by Fatum:Isan National Park ! ...
I'm a sucker for national parks ...
around pattaya there's Khao Yai National park .... and east out from pattaya there's
Koh Samet, and the surrounding islands which are beautiful and quite unspoilt, unlike phuket ...
tell me more about your china trip in particular xinjiang and dunhuang ...
Xinjiang is a big stretch of land + dessert (e.g. Takalamatan (sp)? dessert), including the city of Urumqi with its Heavenly lake at almost 2000m altitude, Kashgar in the west (near to Pakistan) which is inhabited mainly by the Uygher (pronounced Wee-ghur) tribes who are muslim but look like Europeans/Russians. They have lots of the hamid melon which has been making its way to local supermarts. -
I don't have lots of leave also...have to save very hard for them. Our backpacking trips are very good value for money one...coz accom can be cheap, and food can be cheap...depends on your level of luxury lor.Originally posted by choco B:I have alot of constraints deh... T____T Monetary, leave, etcetc.
If I manage to cover half your mileage, consider very good liao -
A dessert big enough to play in? that's alot of ice cream
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nice ... backpacking is the way to go eh ...Originally posted by Wanda:Hmm...where to start...briefly, Dunhuang is famous for the caves with its Buddhist drawings dating thousands of years back, the most famous being Mo Gao Ku which is opened to the public, and there's the the Ming Sha Shan which is a dessert to play sand in, ride camels lah. Also found here is the town (forgot the name) with the Flaming Mountains (Huo yan shan) from the Journey to the West stories....so called coz the temp is really really hot, easily over 45+ deg C.
Xinjiang is a big stretch of land + dessert (e.g. Takalamatan (sp)? dessert), including the city of Urumqi with its Heavenly lake at almost 2000m altitude, Kashgar in the west (near to Pakistan) which is inhabited mainly by the Uygher (pronounced Wee-ghur) tribes who are muslim but look like Europeans/Russians. They have lots of the hamid melon which has been making its way to local supermarts. my experience with ulu china is rather limited, only as far as hang zhou .... i'm thinking of lugging up my backpack again after grad and travel from china to pakistan through the Karakorum highway .... or perhaps to dunhuang and xinjiang .....
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Ahahaha....typo for desert....it almost felt like sinking in ice-cream on the fine sand though.Originally posted by choco B:A dessert big enough to play in? that's alot of ice cream -
Oh...i did the pakistan-karakoram highway to Kashgar in '97.Originally posted by Fatum:nice ... backpacking is the way to go eh ... my experience with ulu china is rather limited, only as far as hang zhou .... i'm thinking of lugging up my backpack again after grad and travel from china to pakistan through the Karakorum highway .... or perhaps to dunhuang and xinjiang .....
what about accoms and transportation etc ? ... I like pakistan, esp. the north from Gilgit to karimabad - that was before 9-11. I wd like to bring SO but the situation now may not be stable.
Accom in China is easy to find, whichever class there is (always ask for lower than their published rate)...unless it happens to be the peak local vacation season (2 wks bef and aft their national day 1 Oct, i think).
Transport is mainly by long dist. buses or take domestic flights if you can spend more, but in XJ, there no long dist. buses, so it's mainly by long-dist. train, and booking the sleeper is a really tricky thing, and we suspect they have a 'kelong' system whereby the sleeper tickets are all reserved for certain tour agents and of course John's Cafe which is found in most towns/cities in XJ - it's the only way to get soft sleepers - by paying abt 10% commission.
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Omigod ... Chinese toilets !!! ....Originally posted by Wanda:Oh...i did the pakistan-karakoram highway to Kashgar in '97. I like pakistan, esp. the north from Gilgit to karimabad - that was before 9-11. I wd like to bring SO but the situation now may not be stable.
The only thing to deal with and is the most culturally shocking thing is their toilets. 
........ they are certainly very challenging places ...
yeah ... been thinking about the highway thingy for a long time liao ... picked up this backpack wander lust of mine from reading "Bei4 Bao1 Zhou3 Tian1 Ya2" series of books from this chinese write chap ....
but you're right .... i dunno if the highway would be feasible nowadays .... kashmir and lake Dal would be out too of course ... -
Well, if do you go to pakistan's northern c'tryside...it's good to go with a female companion...they treat woman like queen sometimes...and easy to hitch a ride or ask for help when needed. I was quite amazed by some of the menfolk's gentlemanly manners.Originally posted by Fatum:Omigod ... Chinese toilets !!! .... ........ they are certainly very challenging places ...
yeah ... been thinking about the highway thingy for a long time liao ... picked up this backpack wander lust of mine from reading "Bei4 Bao1 Zhou3 Tian1 Ya2" series of books from this chinese write chap ....
but you're right .... i dunno if the highway would be feasible nowadays .... kashmir and lake Dal would be out too of course ... But in the cities like Islamabad...it's no good, the men stare at women like suaku...better cover up with scarf and shaws. -
did you manage to get to kashmir ? ...Originally posted by Wanda:Well, if do you go to pakistan's northern c'tryside...it's good to go with a female companion...they treat woman like queen sometimes...and easy to hitch a ride or ask for help when needed. I was quite amazed by some of the menfolk's gentlemanly manners. But in the cities like Islamabad...it's no good, the men stare at women like suaku...better cover up with scarf and shaws. -
No, didn't even dream of it, with all the fierce fighting back then. Oh, on the KKH, do expect landslides, so plan a few days extra for delays. They are quite efficient in clearing the rubble though. Also, forget abt their domestic flight which gets backlogged for weeks.Originally posted by Fatum:did you manage to get to kashmir ? ... -
no lah ........ will get compensation OFF days laterOriginally posted by choco B:Aww... OT pay?
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Hello! Helloo!!! How's everyone?
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Present ! ....Originally posted by Rhonda:Hello! Helloo!!! How's everyone?
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Helloooo, Fatum! So what are you up to today?