Little Kiki died. She could have done with some help
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995 if not call 999 they will also help to arrange ...Originally posted by dragg:by the way whats the number, i dont even know.
so i am not surprised if the mother concerned dont know too. -
i read a letter of some sorts... someone was charged for speeding.Originally posted by dragg:you dont need a law enacted to make people help those in trouble, especially when it is life threatening. sometimes we have to make decisions with our heart. and generally conscience is what will convinced someone to help under such circumstances. frankly your argument is one of the weirdest i have ever heard.
and when it comes to breaking the law isnt it stupid to reject helping someone under such circumstances just because you are afraid of the law?
anyway i have read of such a case.
a driver speeding to drive a pregnant to the hospital. a traffic police spotted him but helped clear the road to the hospital. he was not charged in anyway.
i seriously doubt you will be charged for speeding trying to help someone to the hospital. the most you get is a stern warning.
becos its not required of the law, not everyone will help. -
Its the same as saying that there is a earthquake in indonesia which destroyed villages but just cause we are nearby and have the money, it becomes sg's responsibility to pay 500 million to rebuild indonesia? -
Originally posted by HENG@:they are not obliged to. but then thats apathy right? so we're asking them why they din hep loh. besides, i do think the policemen were obliged to help. im sure they actually wound the window down and explain the situation to them in some way. its not literally one horn only.
and would u ignore someone who is say, alongside or behind u, horning and flashing and waving at u? the very least u'd try to find out whats wrong. what if its not they need help, but they notice something wrong on your car? i dun believe the policemen didn't know what was happening in the taxi. thats ridiculous.He sounded his horn and asked if the police could help by leading the way to rush the girl to the hospital. The police did not respond.
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this is a poor comparison.Originally posted by mistyblue:Its the same as saying that there is a earthquake in indonesia which destroyed villages but just cause we are nearby and have the money, it becomes sg's responsibility to pay 500 million to rebuild indonesia? -
is that any justification for such apathy? I mean, aren't we supposed to be working towards a more enlightened and gracious society? Then whats the point of acting like we're all from 2005 B.C.?Originally posted by mistyblue:Its the same as saying that there is a earthquake in indonesia which destroyed villages but just cause we are nearby and have the money, it becomes sg's responsibility to pay 500 million to rebuild indonesia? -
yes we are supposed to be working towards that, but how many ppl would actually do that?Originally posted by HENG@:is that any justification for such apathy? I mean, aren't we supposed to be working towards a more enlightened and gracious society? Then whats the point of acting like we're all from 2005 B.C.?
have u seen sth like this.. an accident happened... cars would slow down just to see the accident... but 20 min passed..... no ambulance came down.. -
agreed.Originally posted by dragg:this is a poor comparison. -
honestly u sound as if u support the idea of 'jian si bu jiu' and that u would stand by and do just that if someone were dying. very scary leh.Originally posted by shinta:yes we are supposed to be working towards that, but how many ppl would actually do that?
have u seen sth like this.. an accident happened... cars would slow down just to see the accident... but 20 min passed..... no ambulance came down..
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no, i dun support that... but thats what i seeOriginally posted by HENG@:honestly u sound as if u support the idea of 'jian si bu jiu' and that u would stand by and do just that if someone were dying. very scary leh. -
most people think that way dont mean they are not wrong or they are right. though i cant deny this is a typical singaporean behaviour.Originally posted by shinta:yes we are supposed to be working towards that, but how many ppl would actually do that?
have u seen sth like this.. an accident happened... cars would slow down just to see the accident... but 20 min passed..... no ambulance came down..
to think that nobody is obliged to help may be right in argument but it is 'bad' to think that way. it makes you apathetic.
in chinese it says 'shibuguanji, jibulaoxing' - thats bad!!! -
just because u see it doesn't make it right. instead of trying to justify their actions, shouldn't u point out why it they people should do otherwise?Originally posted by shinta:no, i dun support that... but thats what i see -
panick mothers...only when u go thru it yourself...u will know....but of course depending on individuals too...some can stay calm and clear mind...some completely lost
i still rem very clearly when my girl was very young....my hubby woke me up in the middle of the nite and tell me her fever is 40 degree...i jumped up and almost fell off the bed and broke down!!!
i grab her and just dash for the door....lucky hubby was calm....tho panicky too....he sped all the way to hosp, on the way i was also very worried, cross my fingers he drove safely...
maybe she just din take the rite action tat is to call for police (again these days, call police also very mafang....all machine answer...this please press this...that press this....siao liao) i only know 999 too for emergency..
but the first cabby....he is the first to be approached, he is quite 'hard-hearted' ley....well he has no obligation to help lah....just hard luck for the poor mom....haizzzzzz......then if only he is more kind to help....... -
my condolences....
humans are selfish, but the taxi driver ought to be condemned for such selfish act.
and how about the police? jian si bu jiu.. is that wat police are supposed to do? -
why is blaming everybody anyone? go buy book and read on now to look after a child when they sick or class in KKH ....
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shucks. lets put it this way. i hold certain satanic-logic views about humans putting self 1st but even i think this is ridiculous! Its a bloody human life we're talking about here. Do unto others as u would them do to you. Then in future if those people who felt they weren't obliged to help so they didn't, needed the help of others and nobody helps, then maybe they will realise the stupidity of that logic.
And u wonder why singaporeans dun give up their seats for elderly people n pregnant mothers. thats the same apathy filtering down from important matters to small matters like that. Gracious society? Not in 100 years. No way Jose. -
simple. those people who din help, not helping is an action in itself. And when any action leads to the death of someone, of course an answer is demanded of those actions.Originally posted by MeOwSuSan:why is blaming everybody anyone? go buy book and read on now to look after a child when they sick or class in KKH .... -
of course if everyone knows how to handle everything themelves would be best, but here don't think we are blaming....lets' just say...some people are less helpful??Originally posted by MeOwSuSan:why is blaming everybody anyone? go buy book and read on now to look after a child when they sick or class in KKH ....
if everyone can only be self reliance....ummm.......very cold future i can see...
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put urself in the person's shoes, if kiki was ur own flesh and blood and such thing happen, would u still say such thing that no one is obliged to help etc? It's a life! Even if it's juz a cat or wateverm it's still a life! anyone who is humane enough would help, juz like the 2nd taxi driver.
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x2.Originally posted by HENG@:shucks. lets put it this way. i hold certain satanic-logic views about humans putting self 1st but even i think this is ridiculous! Its a bloody human life we're talking about here. Do unto others as u would them do to you. Then in future if those people who felt they weren't obliged to help so they didn't, needed the help of others and nobody helps, then maybe they will realise the stupidity of that logic.
And u wonder why singaporeans dun give up their seats for elderly people n pregnant mothers. thats the same apathy filtering down from important matters to small matters like that. Gracious society? Not in 100 years. No way Jose. -
It's not right, I'm not tryin to justify their actions.Originally posted by HENG@:just because u see it doesn't make it right. instead of trying to justify their actions, shouldn't u point out why it they people should do otherwise?
I think it's how ppl are taught to react to circumstances like this.
some were taught to dial 999 if they see an accident happen, some were not, in anyway so maybe those ppl who'd slow down their vehicles just to see ppl lyin in a pool of blood were not taught how to react by their family, teachers or society.
we learnt that in primary sch, to call the cops didn we?
and sometimes, hw our family behave will also influence us. -
so we must all go buy books to read up on old age sickness...and self medicate...if we have breathing prob or suddenly kena stroke....
god bless....save yourself!!! -
but not all is humane enuff..Originally posted by browniebaobao:put urself in the person's shoes, if kiki was ur own flesh and blood and such thing happen, would u still say such thing that no one is obliged to help etc? It's a life! Even if it's juz a cat or wateverm it's still a life! anyone who is humane enough would help, juz like the 2nd taxi driver.
if all is humane enuff, we wouldn see some of the stuff we see...
kiki's case would be one of them -
after all u said, that still doesn't make it right. Singapore is not the kind of society I want to bring my children up in. Not because no one will help when I need it, but because I don't want my children learning that it's ok not to help, just because most people don't help.Originally posted by shinta:It's not right, I'm not tryin to justify their actions.
I think it's how ppl are taught to react to circumstances like this.
some were taught to dial 999 if they see an accident happen, some were not, in anyway so maybe those ppl who'd slow down their vehicles just to see ppl lyin in a pool of blood were not taught how to react by their family, teachers or society.
we learnt that in primary sch, to call the cops didn we?
and sometimes, hw our family behave will also influence us. -
by the way....think the mother has already learn her lessons (not knowing the numbers to call) REAL HARD!!!! Haizzzzzz.....