Little Kiki died. She could have done with some help
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Originally posted by browniebaobao:so are u gg to teach ur kids all that?
shi bu guan ji, so bo chup?
did u read the entire thing?
No, I'm not gg to teach my children that.
If u want to change this, u change the mindset of the younger generation. Not the adults. It's so deeply drilled, u talk n talk n talk, nothing's gg to go in. until, maybe they lost someone close n dear to them. -
So u know FOR SURE that EVERYONE I talk and talk will have nothing go in? Is it? if u can tell me 100% everyone who sees this thread, nothing will go into their heads, then fine, I will give up. But if u cannot tell me that, then I will go on trying to make people think.Originally posted by shinta:
did u read the entire thing?
No, I'm not gg to teach my children that.
If u want to change this, u change the mindset of the younger generation. Not the adults. It's so deeply drilled, u talk n talk n talk, nothing's gg to go in. until, maybe they lost someone close n dear to them.
So either help me, or stop being an obstacle to me. -
if u can't change the mindset of the adults, the younger generation will grow up thinkin the same way as the older generation, whose mindset that u have yet to change.Originally posted by HENG@:So u know FOR SURE that EVERYONE I talk and talk will have nothing go in? Is it? if u can tell me 100% everyone who sees this thread, nothing will go into their heads, then fine, I will give up. But if u cannot tell me that, then I will go on trying to make people think.
So either help me, or stop being an obstacle to me.
if u really wanna change this kinda mindset, which way's the way to go? -
That Why all must learn first aid ...
govorment did give alot of chance for you to learn I learn them on TV newspaper and radio and when i visit to hospital don't pointion at ppl ...
all must know first aid !!!
me also got learn that how I save my sis son ...
but as a parent you need to know what to do when Emergency(Call ambulance)
the polic and taxi driver can't do anything ....
there no oxygen tang in their car .... -
Originally posted by shinta:
did u read the entire thing?
No, I'm not gg to teach my children that.
If u want to change this, u change the mindset of the younger generation. Not the adults. It's so deeply drilled, u talk n talk n talk, nothing's gg to go in. until, maybe they lost someone close n dear to them.
yes i read the entire thing.
that's y i ask u, juz bcos some mothers teach their kids that, are u gg to do the same?
so must one wait till he lost someone close and dear then start to regret and think about all that? it's such a heavy price, isn't it? -
Things are getting ugly
This always happen when we are pointing fingers and trying to find someone to blame
In the end argument breaks out, and the problem remains unsolved. -
wait a minute, so how is trying to speak up against this sort of apathy not trying to change the mindset of younger generations?Originally posted by shinta:if u can't change the mindset of the adults, the younger generation will grow up thinkin the same way as the older generation, whose mindset that u have yet to change.
if u really wanna change this kinda mindset, which way's the way to go?
U say until like:
1) no younger generation comes onto sgforums so no younger generation will be affected by my speaking out here
2) because i speak out here, i will not try to teach the younger generation the proper mindset
thats why i dun understand why u die die want to come here to be an obstacle! -
we're not trying to find someone to blame. not personally anyways. we have someone to blame. in this case, the unnamed taxi driver n policeman. wider, we have apathy to blame. and i don't see why speaking up against apathy in hope that some people might be set off thinking and changing for the better should be considered 'useless finger pointing'. The only reason we even have an argument is that some people here feel that since speaking up against apathy here only has a small effect, it shouldn't be done. But a small effect is an effect, so if u dun want to speak up, no one is asking u to. But dun come n stop others from doing so, because we want to make a difference, no matter how big or small that difference is.Originally posted by rainee:Things are getting ugly
This always happen when we are pointing fingers and trying to find someone to blame
In the end argument breaks out, and the problem remains unsolved. -
I don't play the blame game.
I've seen both selfless and selfish people. You can't judge the condition of an entire population (Singapore or elsewhere) just by one incident.
As such, it's the luck of the draw who you approach first. This girl was terribly unlucky to meet unhelpful people.
I really can't make any qualified statement of "people WILL help" or "people WILL NOT help" . All I know is that I will give help if it is required. And if I need help , the outcome will be dependent on my crisis management skills , luck and the generosity of other poeple.
If I were in the mother's shoes, depending on the child's condition (not specified in article) and circumstances, I may decide to take the taxi, because I've read that ambulances may take a long time to respond. I believe it's possible that we reach a hospital more quickly in a taxi than an ambulance can bring us there. This would depend on the circumstance
My mom believes that when you have a child, get a car - specifically for the use during emergency when you can't afford to wait. But of course, not everyone can afford transportation.
But in the same attitude of helping yourself/ hedging against risks/ increasing your odds of weathering a crisis , first aid knowledge is important, not just for yourself or family but also if you're approached for help by strangers, you can provide better assistance. -
becos some mothers teach their children that, that's why we have this kinda selfish society.Originally posted by browniebaobao:
yes i read the entire thing.
that's y i ask u, juz bcos some mothers teach their kids that, are u gg to do the same?
so must one wait till he lost someone close and dear then start to regret and think about all that? it's such a heavy price, isn't it?
For the adults, cos the idea is so deeply drilled in, for some, yes, it takes the death of someone close before they wake up their idea. for others, all they need is something like this. a thread or a letter on this kinda thing before they change their ideas.
Sad to say, the latter is a minority.
Change the mindset of the younger generation. Teach them to lend a helping hand in situations like this. If we just go on n on n on about the adults n forget about the lil ones, they're not gg to learn.
They'd grow up thinking doin this is right. Papa n mama did this too.
IF we can educate them at a young age, they might be able to influence their parents. If no, at least we noe the younger generation is not gg to be as selfish as teh present n older generation. -
you keep saying this. that means u agree there is a minority who will respond. so WHY try to stop those of us who wish to do so from reaching out to these minority?!Originally posted by shinta:Sad to say, the latter is a minority.
im starting to get very frustrated with you, because if even u agree there is a minority, WHY try to stop us? What good does it do you?! -
nobody is trying to be your obstacleOriginally posted by HENG@:we're not trying to find someone to blame. not personally anyways. we have someone to blame. in this case, the unnamed taxi driver n policeman. wider, we have apathy to blame. and i don't see why speaking up against apathy in hope that some people might be set off thinking and changing for the better should be considered 'useless finger pointing'. The only reason we even have an argument is that some people here feel that since speaking up against apathy here only has a small effect, it shouldn't be done. But a small effect is an effect, so if u dun want to speak up, no one is asking u to. But dun come n stop others from doing so, because we want to make a difference, no matter how big or small that difference is.
If you want to spread it, by all means go ahead...we are all just expressing our views here. If it happens that our views are different from yours, then you consider it to be an obstacle? I dun see the logic of this. Just as much as you want to speak up about this, we would want to express ourselves as well. Nobody thinks the same way. -
but if we're trying to get people to stop being apathetic, and u're coming here to say, its the norm so its ok, then what does that do to what we're trying to do? thats the logic. If u dun wanna speak up, then don't. But why try to stop us?Originally posted by rainee:nobody is trying to be your obstacle If you want to spread it, by all means go ahead...we are all just expressing our views here. If it happens that our views are different from yours, then you consider it to be an obstacle? I dun see the logic of this. Just as much as you want to speak up about this, we would want to express ourselves as well. Nobody thinks the same way. -
What bothers me the most is that they've gotta travel from Woodlands to KK for treatment. Did a search and I can't find any hospitals in the north. That's terrible!
I would think AMK hospital is nearer to Woodlands? -
i'm talkin about those really young ones, still in primary sch.Originally posted by HENG@:wait a minute, so how is trying to speak up against this sort of apathy not trying to change the mindset of younger generations?
U say until like:
1) no younger generation comes onto sgforums so no younger generation will be affected by my speaking out here
2) because i speak out here, i will not try to teach the younger generation the proper mindset
thats why i dun understand why u die die want to come here to be an obstacle!
it's still possible for us to change teh mindset of those in their teenage years. but maj or the ppl who come to sgf, into club 30s are mainly those in their adulthood, with a few in their teens.
like i said its harder to have an effect with those who were brainwashed at a young age to ignore.
Adults I interact with when i was young, are like the maj.. not ur biz, ignore. until someone "corrected" that kinda thinking. -
I dun see anyone stopping you here...at least I am not doing that.Originally posted by HENG@:but if we're trying to get people to stop being apathetic, and u're coming here to say, its the norm so its ok, then what does that do to what we're trying to do? thats the logic. If u dun wanna speak up, then don't. But why try to stop us? -
fine. so u're talking about them. so why does that mean i have to stop trying to reach out to older people as well? can't i do both?Originally posted by shinta:i'm talkin about those really young ones, still in primary sch.
it's still possible for us to change teh mindset of those in their teenage years. but maj or the ppl who come to sgf, into club 30s are mainly those in their adulthood, with a few in their teens.
like i said its harder to have an effect with those who were brainwashed at a young age to ignore.
Adults I interact with when i was young, are like the maj.. not ur biz, ignore. until someone "corrected" that kinda thinking. -
I'm not tryin to stop u, not tryin to be an obstacle...Originally posted by HENG@:you keep saying this. that means u agree there is a minority who will respond. so WHY try to stop those of us who wish to do so from reaching out to these minority?!
im starting to get very frustrated with you, because if even u agree there is a minority, WHY try to stop us? What good does it do you?!
why would u wanna see me as one?
I'd wanna change their thinking too, but talkin about who to blame directly or indirectly is not gg to change the thinking of those majority.
yes its true. if they helped, she'd have a higher chance of living.. but still like i said many times before, u guys are blaming others for teh death. -
u cna do both but it'd be a better way to educate the younger ones.Originally posted by HENG@:fine. so u're talking about them. so why does that mean i have to stop trying to reach out to older people as well? can't i do both?
the adults might not accept what u wanna say.. cos basically from what i see here maj of the ppl here are blaming others.
so ppl who read this might interpret it as so i didn help i'm to be blamed for their death? absurb -
I know u're not. But there are others here who seem to be trying hard to pursuade me not to speak out because "the effect of that is small"Originally posted by rainee:I dun see anyone stopping you here...at least I am not doing that. -
have any names been mentioned? nope. so i dun quite think that is actually blaming them. Im blaming their actions for being partially and indirectly responsible. If their actions (or inaction) are not indirectly or partially responsible, why should be be against apathy?Originally posted by shinta:I'm not tryin to stop u, not tryin to be an obstacle...
why would u wanna see me as one?
I'd wanna change their thinking too, but talkin about who to blame directly or indirectly is not gg to change the thinking of those majority.
yes its true. if they helped, she'd have a higher chance of living.. but still like i said many times before, u guys are blaming others for teh death. -
The idea is to educate them that it's ok to lend a helping hand when situations like this happens.Originally posted by HENG@:I know u're not. But there are others here who seem to be trying hard to pursuade me not to speak out because "the effect of that is small"
That to lend a helping hand can save someone else's life.
Not, how to blame ppl when some thing like this happens -
i don't get it. its a better way to just educate the younger ones, instead of both the younger ones and the older ones? so its a better way to just do one thing and get less results than if i do both?Originally posted by shinta:u cna do both but it'd be a better way to educate the younger ones. -
absurd? how? din help, indirectly partially responsible, that is true wad. if dun help means not responsible, then what for speak up against apathy and inaction?Originally posted by shinta:u cna do both but it'd be a better way to educate the younger ones.
the adults might not accept what u wanna say.. cos basically from what i see here maj of the ppl here are blaming others. so ppl who read this might interpret it as so i didn help i'm to be blamed for their death? absurb -
the idea is to make sure people know that if they are apathetic, their inaction might cost someone's life, be it directly, indirectly, fully or partially. And this is a very good example to use. So I don't see why not. Everyone can learn from this.Originally posted by shinta:The idea is to educate them that it's ok to lend a helping hand when situations like this happens.
That to lend a helping hand can save someone else's life.
Not, how to blame ppl when some thing like this happens