Another unbelievable case of apathy?
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extracted from ST forums.
Plea for ice cube rebuffed
ON SATURDAY, a group of friends and I had our training for a coming marathon. We usually have our long runs at East Coast Park.
However, the weather that day was exceptionally hot. Without the hydration provided by sports drinks, I felt that the top of my head was on fire. Unfortunately, by the time I got to the hydration point, the ice in the sports drinks had all melted.
I needed ice to cool down my core temperature and I had no choice but to go to the snack bar at the Osim Tri Swim starting point by the beach, called Kayak Snack Bar. I told a man there that I did not have any money with me, and asked if he could give me an ice cube as I was not feeling too well.
He refused, despite my plea that all I wanted was just one cube. He said the ice was not for sale.
I was shocked. I asked him: 'So, even if someone is dying, you will not give him one ice cube?' He said: 'No.'
I told him that he had just lost my business and that of many other athletes. He said: 'It doesn't matter.'
A week ago, my husband and I were in Kona, Hawaii, for the Ironman World Championship. The people there were amazing. Each time when we had our training before the day of the race, running down Alii Drive, folks there did not hesitate to top up our water.
At the Olympic Distance race in Phuket, the villagers, who barely had anything to their name, never hesitated to offer us water from their water bottle, even though they had paid for it.
What is wrong with the staff at Kayak Snack Bar? I could have died of heatstroke!
Janet Simone Lim (Ms) -
Fella needs a smack.
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its good that the writer put up the name of the snack bar and its location.
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at least she didnt die..still wan complain.
as for seller... i guess its jus business -
no money no talk
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but she asked only for a cube.Originally posted by alexkusu:at least she didnt die..still wan complain.
as for seller... i guess its jus business
or maybe the vendor is illiterate. he thought the lady wanted a block of ice.
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but for her to recall other incidents of 'non-apathy', this single action must have affected her alot
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maybe the man at the snack bar tot that the guy wanted the rapper ice cube
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ice cube?? no we don't hv them....
but donations....we hv plenty, if u can touch our heart that is.. .... -
i wonder why she has to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Here she is the one who is asking for a Favor.Since she has the energy to questioned the staff on his decision,it shows she is coherent and do not look like she is going to have a heatstroke anytime.
So since you are asking for a Favor,anyone can have the rights to refuse you.The staff may seem not to apathy her but does it give her the right to blast him and shame him on national media by naming out the outlet?
So next time when she need small favors from people around her and they for their own reason refuse her,she is going to go about as if it is her damn right that everyone has to oblige if not she makes sure they suffer. It does not speak well of her own character and she thinks she is holy enough to question the character of this person she met. -
i dont agree with you.Originally posted by Aveme:i wonder why she has to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Here she is the one who is asking for a Favor.Since she has the energy to questioned the staff on his decision,it shows she is coherent and do not look like she is going to have a heatstroke anytime.
So since you are asking for a Favor,anyone can have the rights to refuse you.The staff may seem not to apathy her but does it give her the right to blast him and shame him on national media by naming out the outlet?
So next time when she need small favors from people around her and they for their own reason refuse her,she is going to go about as if it is her damn right that everyone has to oblige if not she makes sure they suffer. It does not speak well of her own character and she has think she is holy enough to question the character of this person she met.
it is only an ice cube. it is not even worth 5 cents.
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so if there are random strangers who suddenly came out of nowhere to ask you for small random favors and for your own reason,you are not comfortable about giving it,it give that person the rights to shame you?Originally posted by dragg:i dont agree with you.
it is only an ice cube. it is not even worth 5 cents.
she certainly should shame him.
It is not whether how worthy or expensive/cheap the favor is.What matters is that in its basic form,it is still a favor asked.
If you are asking for a favor,you have to accept that some people may just not oblige and you jolly well take it in your stride and not try to shame the person.That is emotional blackmailing. -
your comparison is weak.Originally posted by Aveme:so if there are random strangers who suddenly came out of nowhere to ask you for small random favors and for your own reason,you are not comfortable about giving it,it give that person the rights to shame you?
It is not whether how worthy or expensive/cheap the favor is.What matters is that in its basic form,it is still a favor asked.
If you are asking for a favor,you have to accept that some people may just not oblige and you jolly well take it in your stride and not try to shame the person.That is emotional blackmailing.
it all depends on the nature of the favour. it is very difficult to compare.
but in this case you have someone asking for just a cube of ice. her reason being she does not have any money with her and she is thirsty. it is obvious the writer is not trying to con the vendor. he can be skeptical if she is asking for money or asking for a free coke (something more expensive) but how much does a cube of ice cost him?
there is no reason at all to turn her down. -
not4rentOriginally posted by dragg:your comparison is weak.
it all depends on the nature of the favour. it is very difficult to compare.
but in this case you have someone asking for just a cube of ice. her reason being she does not have any money with her and she is thirsty. it is obvious the writer is not trying to con the vendor. he can be skeptical if she is asking for money or asking for a free coke (something more expensive) but how much does a cube of ice cost him?
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and there is no reason at all to not turn her down?Originally posted by dragg:your comparison is weak.
it all depends on the nature of the favour. it is very difficult to compare.
but in this case you have someone asking for just a cube of ice. her reason being she does not have any money with her and she is thirsty. it is obvious the writer is not trying to con the vendor. he can be skeptical if she is asking for money or asking for a free coke (something more expensive) but how much does a cube of ice cost him?
there is no reason at all to turn her down.
seems you did not catch my drift.A favor,no matter big or small is still a favor.You do not go about shaming/blasting a person just because he did not accede to it.
Just like your siggie,i hope no one does that to you when they approach you for some favors they deem are insignicant to you but you think otherwise. -
I, too, was shocked to see the letter. If we are talking abotu the service sector, seriously, this is just plain bad. It was just a freaking ice-cube. Just give it to the lady! And he didn't sound like he had a very good attitude when he answered "No" to her question if he'd help someone who was dying.
Then again, we won't know how the lady had approached the guy. If she were rude or evidently ok, then perhaps he did have some sort of reason to turn her down. -
can help help lah, why are people so calculative?
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tis is sadly one of the many cases tat reflects on the negativity of singapore society as a whole....Originally posted by Ferguson:no money no talk 
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u noe, put yourself into her shoes and your perspective of the whole situation will change...Originally posted by Aveme:so if there are random strangers who suddenly came out of nowhere to ask you for small random favors and for your own reason,you are not comfortable about giving it,it give that person the rights to shame you?
It is not whether how worthy or expensive/cheap the favor is.What matters is that in its basic form,it is still a favor asked.
If you are asking for a favor,you have to accept that some people may just not oblige and you jolly well take it in your stride and not try to shame the person.That is emotional blackmailing. -
well i din say that the action of the staff was right in the first place?I am referring to the after action of blasting someone who turn down giving a favor.Originally posted by Lance_han:u noe, put yourself into her shoes and your perspective of the whole situation will change...
Just like the lady think it is just an ice cube that does not cost the other person much,does it cost this lady even anything to forgive him?
No right,it does not cost this lady anything right? So why did she not forgive him?
Its shows that this lady has her own reason not to forgive him right? And thus she is not holier than the staff who may have his own reason not to grant her favor?If so why she go to the extent to public shame this person when she herself is no better off. -
some stalls charge 30-50cents for a cup of ice cubes...
lets say 15 ice cubes in each cup -
like someone has alreadi said, no money no talk...Originally posted by alexkusu:some stalls charge 30-50cents for a cup of ice cubes...
lets say 15 ice cubes in each cup 
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i think if she really died of heat stroke...then i would call it apathy. But shouldnt she have taken precautions 1st? Wearin a hat perhaps?
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for one, i nv said anything about the actions of the staff in the first place...i only asked u to put yourself into her shoes and view the situation from her prespective..tat wae, u can gleam valuable info tat will answer the Qns u asked me here...Originally posted by Aveme:well i din say that the action of the staff was right in the first place?I am referring to the after action of blasting someone who turn down giving a favor.
Just like the lady think it is just an ice cube that does not cost the other person much,does it cost this lady even anything to forgive him?
No right,it does not cost this lady anything right? So why did she not forgive him?
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i do not understand why everything must be seen in the prespective of the lady.Originally posted by Lance_han:for one, i nv said anything about the actions of the staff in the first place...i only asked u to put yourself into her shoes and view the situation from her prespective..tat wae, u can gleam valuable info tat will answer the Qns u asked me here...
You mean we should ignore the prespective of the staff?
That he is maybe scared and is thinking that if he start to grant everyone who ask such favor,it may affect his biz?
I understand why the lady is not happy about it.But still it does not give her any rights to shame a person in national media just because of it.