Singaporeans. Educated but Uncultured?
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Haha, ok, I didn't mean that way, just that you study so much to become a nurse, a doctor also can help patients and also treat them. One stone hit two birds. But nurse is a very noble profession, just that they are too looked down upon.Originally posted by Rhonda:Hmm... you know what? Continue to treat us as 'only a nurse' and see the mass exodus happening!
And then, when YOU fall ill and get hospitalised, too bad, nursing shortage, you'll have to help yourself! 
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no disrepect intended.
majority dont see nursing job as something one will pursue for a career.
how many people can actually be so noble as to take it up out of wanting to serve? -
I never ever thought I'd become a nurse myself!Originally posted by dragg:no disrepect intended.
majority dont see nursing job as something one will pursue for a career.
how many people can actually be so noble as to take it up out of wanting to serve?
I was in a well-paying corporate job, good pay, good perks, nice status, yada-yada...
When became a nursing student, I suffered a loss in personal income of more than $2,200 per month. When I graduated and started work, I suffered a loss of more than $1,500.
Huge sacrifice in a lot of ways, not just monetary.
But you know what... I have a sense of satisfaction knowing that ah... during my shift, I helped to keep a few folks alive, helped a few to recover, and saved a life or two.
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Same analogy of a person I know who could practice law in NY but gave it up to pursue an interest in scriptwriting.
I've this feeling I won't be doing anything related to whatever I'm studying now anyhow. -
Oh, ok, thanks for clarifying.Originally posted by Depressed...*sigh*:Haha, ok, I didn't mean that way, just that you study so much to become a nurse, a doctor also can help patients and also treat them. One stone hit two birds. But nurse is a very noble profession, just that they are too looked down upon.
Sorry, sometimes, get so much sh!t from the visitors and patients that I kinda don't expect kind words. -
your nobility deserves a lot of respect.Originally posted by Rhonda:I never ever thought I'd become a nurse myself!
I was in a well-paying corporate job, good pay, good perks, nice status, yada-yada...
When became a nursing student, I suffered a loss in personal income of more than $2,200 per month. When I graduated and started work, I suffered a loss of more than $1,500.
Huge sacrifice in a lot of ways, not just monetary.
But you know what... I have a sense of satisfaction knowing that ah... during my shift, I helped to keep a few folks alive, helped a few to recover, and saved a life or two.
my earlier posts at another thread was not meant to insult anyone. -
Hey, I got a sixth sense about this and think you won't be too!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Same analogy of a person I know who could practice law in NY but gave it up to pursue an interest in scriptwriting.
I've this feeling I won't be doing anything related to whatever I'm studying now anyhow.
You've got more 'depth' and a hunger for something more in life.
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I can never be like you Rhonda. First thing I'd do is faint at the sight of excessive blood
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Erm... I'm not scared of blood and I'm surprised that ladies are because erm... we erm... kinda see it on a regular basis, compared to men, right?Originally posted by elindra:I can never be like you Rhonda. First thing I'd do is faint at the sight of excessive blood
I have a strong stomach for gory stuff too, so that works fine when you have to do procedures or assist in procedures.
Actually, I'm quite drawn to stuff that most other peeps would find queasy... maybe, that's why CSI is my favourite TV series!
I kinda miss working at my previous ICU - there were more 'interesting' cases - Road Traffic Accidents, Assaults, Suicide by 'parachuting' off high storeys, etc. -
I mean the time of the month kind of blood is nothing compared to something mangled and pouring out blood like in surgery or something. I watched a documentary on giving birth and nearly threw up.Originally posted by Rhonda:Erm... I'm not scared of blood and I'm surprised that ladies are because erm... we erm... kinda see it on a regular basis, compared to men, right?
I have a strong stomach for gory stuff too, so that works fine when you have to do procedures or assist in procedures.
Actually, I'm quite drawn to stuff that most other peeps would find queasy... maybe, that's why CSI is my favourite TV series!
I kinda miss working at my previous ICU - there were more 'interesting' cases - Road Traffic Accidents, Assaults, Suicide by 'parachuting' off high storeys, etc.
I'm a scardy cat when it comes to gore. No thanks -
hehehe!!Originally posted by elindra:I mean the time of the month kind of blood is nothing compared to something mangled and pouring out blood like in surgery or something. I watched a documentary on giving birth and nearly threw up.
I'm a scardy cat when it comes to gore. No thanks
Blood's nothing compared to some of the more gruesome stuff I've encountered!
You do know how nasty road traffic accidents and industrial accidents can get, right?
OK, enough... no more details in case you guys start to faint or throw up or peng sanz! -
Erm... I'm not noble.Originally posted by dragg:your nobility deserves a lot of respect.
my earlier posts at another thread was not meant to insult anyone. I'm quite pai si one! 
Now, my colleagues, most of them are noble. I myself salute them! -
you mean all of them took up the job because they like nursing?Originally posted by Rhonda:Erm... I'm not noble. I'm quite pai si one!
Now, my colleagues, most of them are noble. I myself salute them! -
Nope. That's why I said I respect MOST of them - I meant I respect those who willingly took up nursing, or those whose dream was to be a nurse, or those who became a nurse because of a compassionate religious / personal conviction kinda standpoint.Originally posted by dragg:you mean all of them took up the job because they like nursing?
And yes, there are folks like that. All hope is not lost!
In fact, there are people who are in their middle-age or older, who were retrenched or have been unemployed for quite some time, who are entering the healthcare profession as Health Care Assistants. They work alongside us, providing basic care to the patients, and they are very invaluable to us. They are inevitably more mature, and since they had job experiences elsewhere already, most of them came in because they are compassionate towards those who are ill and disabled.
Amongst those I've met are folks who used to work in hotels, including one who was some customer service supervisor or asst manager calibre, others who were clerks, sales personnel, etc. -
Rhonda, here in the UK I have worked with nurse practitioners who function as junior doctors. They have specialized training and are prepared to take up the heavy responsibility of diagnosis and treatment of patients. Patients with chronic illnesses are referred to them after their conditions have been stabilized by the consultants and I think this system does work well. They are allowed to prescribe medication as well but if the patient's condition changes, they would refer them back to the doctors.Originally posted by Rhonda:But you know what... I have a sense of satisfaction knowing that ah... during my shift, I helped to keep a few folks alive, helped a few to recover, and saved a life or two.
I have mooted this idea in Singapore before but the senior nurses did not like the idea. They did not want to accept the medico-legal liability that comes with the heavier responsibility. But you cannot have one without the other. Nurse practitioners are better paid and certainly highly respected by both patients and consultants, but like doctors, they can be sued if they were negligent.
Ordinary nurses in the UK administer intravenous drugs whilst I have heard that nurses in Singapore do not want to handle that. There is a risk that if nurses decline more responsibilities whilst healthcare assistants take on more of their duties, the time will come when the scope of nursing in Singapore becomes extremely limited.
You come across as someone who entered the profession with altruistic reasons. Would you and others like you be interested in going beyond administrative duties and cleaning wounds? Healthcare assistants can be trained to dispense medication, change dressings, record TPR readings, accompany patients for tests and be certified in basic trauma and cardiac life support. Surely nurses must aspire to do more? -
health care assistants?Originally posted by Rhonda:Nope. That's why I said I respect MOST of them - I meant I respect those who willingly took up nursing, or those whose dream was to be a nurse, or those who became a nurse because of a compassionate religious / personal conviction kinda standpoint.
And yes, there are folks like that. All hope is not lost!
In fact, there are people who are in their middle-age or older, who were retrenched or have been unemployed for quite some time, who are entering the healthcare profession as Health Care Assistants. They work alongside us, providing basic care to the patients, and they are very invaluable to us. They are inevitably more mature, and since they had job experiences elsewhere already, most of them came in because they are compassionate towards those who are ill and disabled.
Amongst those I've met are folks who used to work in hotels, including one who was some customer service supervisor or asst manager calibre, others who were clerks, sales personnel, etc.
i wonder how they survive with that kind of salary. very low right? -
I haven't described this incident which happened in Brisbane a few years ago. I was there for a holiday and our flight home was delayed by a day.
So there were quite a number of us passengers who were put up in a hotel. At dinnertime, the restaurant was crowded and busy as the staff and the kitchen tried to cope with a sudden increase in patrons. We waited for our meals at least 45 minutes. And the father of this Singaporean family (race doesn't matter here) sitting nearby just lost it. He broke the crockery on his table, and then walked out with his wife and young kids.
For sodding Peter's sake, all of us were also hungry and impatient. If you're not happy can you just cancel your order politely and leave without throwing your tantrum in a foreign land?
The kids...I feel for them. For a moment their father forgot to be a good role model. -
its a sign of stress, not tantrums.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I haven't described this incident which happened in Brisbane a few years ago. I was there for a holiday and our flight home was delayed by a day.
So there were quite a number of us passengers who were put up in a hotel. At dinnertime, the restaurant was crowded and busy as the staff and the kitchen tried to cope with a sudden increase in patrons. We waited for our meals at least 45 minutes. And the father of this Singaporean family (race doesn't matter here) sitting nearby just lost it. He broke the crockery on his table, and then walked out with his wife and young kids.
For sodding Peter's sake, all of us were also hungry and impatient. If you're not happy can you just cancel your order politely and leave without throwing your tantrum in a foreign land?
The kids...I feel for them. For a moment their father forgot to be a good role model. -
Stress or no, it's still unacceptable...and it was very embarrassing for all of us who saw it.Originally posted by dragg:its a sign of stress, not tantrums. -
I kinda find Singaporeans as a general that dun have culture
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+2Originally posted by sbst275:I kinda find Singaporeans as a general that dun have culture
It can be pretty embarressing at times especially in a foreign land and your own countrymen cannot behave themselves and act like spoilt kids. -
i dun understand why they treat nurses so badly.... harlo they r the one tat actually clear ur shit (almost literally) when u're bedridden! i've been sickly when i was young, tho i scared of them [always force me to take those horrible medicine and pain jabs] but i still think they are noble, sacrificing and have a heart of gold....Originally posted by Rhonda:Hmm... you know what? Continue to treat us as 'only a nurse' and see the mass exodus happening! And then, when YOU fall ill and get hospitalised, too bad, nursing shortage, you'll have to help yourself!
errm... missy not saying to butter u up hor... i had a friend who is a nurse too... i see the way she work and the stuff she have to do, i think we should give nurses a standing oblation...
on a lighter note: maybe next time patients will bring their own maids when hospitalised! -
hmm... i did something similar tho i nvr break anything lah....Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I haven't described this incident which happened in Brisbane a few years ago. I was there for a holiday and our flight home was delayed by a day.
So there were quite a number of us passengers who were put up in a hotel. At dinnertime, the restaurant was crowded and busy as the staff and the kitchen tried to cope with a sudden increase in patrons. We waited for our meals at least 45 minutes. And the father of this Singaporean family (race doesn't matter here) sitting nearby just lost it. He broke the crockery on his table, and then walked out with his wife and young kids.
For sodding Peter's sake, all of us were also hungry and impatient. If you're not happy can you just cancel your order politely and leave without throwing your tantrum in a foreign land?
The kids...I feel for them. For a moment their father forgot to be a good role model.
it was at a local restaurant. i was with my hubby and we were 1stly not served promptly... the manager choose to serve the family tat came after us. the father looks like some tao gey... eventually we were shown to a table OUTSIDE....
after ordering our food, we waited for almost an hr. by then my gastric is acting up and my patience is gone. esp when the table besides us tat came AFTER us has finished eating!!!
and this is AFTER i reminded the waitress twice of our orders. she just siam our table and nvr get back to us.... i was sooo pissed, i almost stormed up to scold the manager/boss/whoever is in charged! but was hold back by hubby who dun wanna make a scene -
There are always a good and bad side to any race or nationality and there is no such thing as the perfect one.Originally posted by elindra:+2
It can be pretty embarressing at times especially in a foreign land and your own countrymen cannot behave themselves and act like spoilt kids.
English for example are polite in general but they are also hooligans with comes to football and drinking in the pub.
American are generally very helpful and caring, but most of the time they like to talk BIG.
I think the newer generation of Singaporeans are becoming overly conscious about trying to be "Right" the western way and along the process they are lossing their own identity as a Singaporean or Asian.
Let be more original because the East can never be the West and vice versa.
Dont let the western people tell you that eating fish head and durian is uncool. -
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