Paid Fine and returns home for not reserving NS
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i fully agree. they are setting precedence. from now every tom, dick and harry with ability might think they can give it a shot.Originally posted by Rhonda:And then, what's stopping him from returning to serve it after he's gotten his big break?
It's just not fair to all the thousands of dutiful Singaporean men who've done their service to the nation.
Does being a prominent / talented artiste give one the right to be exempt?
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Another point to ponder, at the moment of decision, this fellow made a brave move, bearing in mind Singapore's policies in the 70s were much more draconian than today.Whatever it is, I have to admire his guts to walk his path and not going to begrudge him.He's doing our nation a service in his own way, in the cultural arena.I'm not bitter that he managed to skip, and I'm not bitter that I had to serve.
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gosh rhon. are u thinking?Originally posted by Rhonda:And then, what's stopping him from returning to serve it after he's gotten his big break?
It's just not fair to all the thousands of dutiful Singaporean men who've done their service to the nation.
Does being a prominent / talented artiste give one the right to be exempt?
AFTER he's gotten his big break, hes gotta be wondering if he's gonna be thrown into DB for that. WHO in their right mind would wanna come back in their youth so they can spend it sitting in a cell?
There is no such thing as fair. Want to talk about fair? How about: Its not fair to be born in Singapore in the 1st place?
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bravo Lazer. Im glad someone here can actually see that national service can be in other forms besides military, and be gracious about it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Another point to ponder, at the moment of decision, this fellow made a brave move, bearing in mind Singapore's policies in the 70s were much more draconian than today.Whatever it is, I have to admire his guts to walk his path and not going to begrudge him.He's doing our nation a service in his own way, in the cultural arena.I'm not bitter that he managed to skip, and I'm not bitter that I had to serve.
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so he's 49 liao la. so what u want? throw him into DB, make him run everyday with sandbags in an undignified way is it?Originally posted by hisoka:i don't think he should have abondoned his chance but i do think that the government/legal system is giving a double standard. his excuse sounds good but i really doubt thats the only reason, even if it was it still shouldn't be left "unpunished"
Do u think we will benefit by humiliating our cultural personalities like this?
How many of u are even brave enough to make the sort of choice he made? To follow your star, and to come back finally? -
well the world is unfair. Think about when u were in NS, how often did those people who are less predisposed towards a military lifestyle were discriminated against?Originally posted by dragg:i fully agree. they are setting precedence. from now every tom, dick and harry with ability might think they can give it a shot.
so basically those without special ability are discriminated against.
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bravery has nothign to do with punishing by law does it? he brave enuff to kill we should lower the penalty?Originally posted by HENG@:so he's 49 liao la. so what u want? throw him into DB, make him run everyday with sandbags in an undignified way is it?
Do u think we will benefit by humiliating our cultural personalities like this?
How many of u are even brave enough to make the sort of choice he made? To follow your star, and to come back finally?
49 can still go and do the sand bag or whatever right? cannot medically also can throw him inside and make him perform for free to earn his stay there. what so humiliating about running around with sand bags? run around with sand bag is very undignified?
btw hes not our cul;tural personality hes england's?
its not about benefiting but about justice lah(sounds nice but tis just i not happy
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in any case, he's 49 and its not like he's some criminal who's actually hurt someone. Why do u all want to string him up? Pack mentality?
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the world is unfair but im pretty sure all or most of us would like fairness?Originally posted by HENG@:well the world is unfair. Think about when u were in NS, how often did those people who are less predisposed towards a military lifestyle were discriminated against?
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In any case, has everyone forgotten that 49 years old is beyond the official ROD age.There is no way they could force him to enlist under a law that stipulates peacetime end of service as 45 for enlistees and specialists.Originally posted by HENG@:in any case, he's 49 and its not like he's some criminal who's actually hurt someone. Why do u all want to string him up? Pack mentality?
Sometimes, we should not begrudge those who have made it past our monkey bars.You think he hasn't sacrificed enough inside?nearly 3 decades away from his aging parents, whereas a NSF can go home everyday or every two days.. -
no lah i not talking about making him enlist no point throw him to become a clerk but throw him in prison or db still can right?Originally posted by LazerLordz:In any case, has everyone forgotten that 49 years old is beyond the official ROD age.There is no way they could force him to enlist under a law that stipulates peacetime end of service as 45 for enlistees and specialists. -
well if the law is STUPID, then perhaps u shouldn't begrudge some people for not following it.Originally posted by hisoka:bravery has nothign to do with punishing by law does it? he brave enuff to kill we should lower the penalty?
49 can still go and do the sand bag or whatever right? cannot medically also can throw him inside and make him perform for free to earn his stay there. what so humiliating about running around with sand bags? run around with sand bag is very undignified?
btw hes not our cul;tural personality hes england's?
its not about benefiting but about justice lah(sounds nice but tis just i not happy )
im not admiring him just because he is brave, but becos he is brave for the right reasons. And in any case, like I said, he did not actually do something to hurt people. I don't see any justification to jail him.
So I suppose u want singapore to be known as a barbaric country that throws pianists in DBs for choosing to grab an opportunity that will never come again. run with sand bags, maybe get injured so he can never perform again. Then u will happy right?
He regards himself as Singaporean. Hes not England's. sadly.
U want justice? Well I think it is justice that he is not forced to go into DB. Its justice struck by Lady Fate herself. Hah. So what u gonna do about it?
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NO, I'm not thinking. Everyone else whose opinion differs from yours isn't thinking. Only you are actively thinking. Happy?Originally posted by HENG@:gosh rhon. are u thinking?
AFTER he's gotten his big break, hes gotta be wondering if he's gonna be thrown into DB for that. WHO in their right mind would wanna come back in their youth so they can spend it sitting in a cell?
There is no such thing as fair. Want to talk about fair? How about: Its not fair to be born in Singapore in the 1st place?
Lets not talk about fairness. Its pointless. In the whole scheme of the world, I reckon its fair enough.
You don't have to attack someone personally if his / her opinions differs from yours!
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u want fairness? fairness in your own eyes or fairness in an absolute term?Originally posted by hisoka:the world is unfair but im pretty sure all or most of us would like fairness?
I'll tell u what is not fair.
what is not fair will be if he had the talent but chooses to go back to sg to serve NS. Its not fair that he has that God-given talent and chooses to waste it by going back to serve a cause that is not just.
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The law says imprisonment or fine.In his case, and in the context of Singapore trying to be a more inclusive place, wouldn't jailing him run contrary to whatever we've been trying to accomplish?Originally posted by hisoka:no lah i not talking about making him enlist no point throw him to become a clerk but throw him in prison or db still can right?
The law allows for a fine, and the judge made a wise move.He could just stay there for good, but he chose to return.That's a mitigating factor as good as any to me.Singapore should learn to drop the siege mentality in every aspect.Don't be quick to raise the fists to pummel anything that comes our way.
We have served our time in our own way, let him do so in peace.It's harder to forgive or be objective than to criticise and heckle, in the end, does it really make sense?
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Like I said in the other thread
Life is Unfair.
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i mean, are u thinking from his point of view? not to say u aren't thinking at all, but are u considering it from other angles?Originally posted by Rhonda:NO, I'm not thinking. Everyone else whose opinion differs from yours isn't thinking. Only you are actively thinking. Happy?
You don't have to attack someone personally if his / her opinions differs from yours!
i just pointed out, if u were him, would u, in your youth want to go back n face the possibility of wasting your youth sitting in a cell.
no need to take such offence. seriously, consider my statement. do u think he would? would u? would anyone?
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what for? seriously what for? so u can feel good ah?Originally posted by hisoka:no lah i not talking about making him enlist no point throw him to become a clerk but throw him in prison or db still can right?
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haha kill lady fate for being not fairOriginally posted by HENG@:well if the law is STUPID, then perhaps u shouldn't begrudge some people for not following it.
im not admiring him just because he is brave, but becos he is brave for the right reasons. And in any case, like I said, he did not actually do something to hurt people. I don't see any justification to jail him.
So I suppose u want singapore to be known as a barbaric country that throws pianists in DBs for choosing to grab an opportunity that will never come again. run with sand bags, maybe get injured so he can never perform again. Then u will happy right?
He regards himself as Singaporean. Hes not England's. sadly.
U want justice? Well I think it is justice that he is not forced to go into DB. Its justice struck by Lady Fate herself. Hah. So what u gonna do about it?
Stop being so petty la. Won't do u any good being petty.
the law is not stupid lah its to deter pple from not serving ns if not everyone also skip out le.
nothing babaric about it, its just the enforcement of the law. the law maybe barbaric but not the enforcement so unless they change the law....
i don't know whether he really regards himself as singaporean i never keep up in music arena so i can't say if thats his constant stand or somethign that just came up.... but even if so also you should get special treatment?
i'm not being petty lah. it not just some small insignificant detail esp since others have been dealt with much more severely. -
I can sympathise with the pianist.It could have been me in a similar situation, in a parallel existence....
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since when our or any government/legal system dun have double standard??Originally posted by hisoka:i don't think he should have abondoned his chance but i do think that the government/legal system is giving a double standard. his excuse sounds good but i really doubt thats the only reason, even if it was it still shouldn't be left "unpunished"
classic case...
poor ppl drive, knock down ppl = jail
rich ppl drive, knock down ppl = fine
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everything has it exceptions.Originally posted by hisoka:haha kill lady fate for being not fair
the law is not stupid lah its to deter pple from not serving ns if not everyone also skip out le.
nothing babaric about it, its just the enforcement of the law. the law maybe barbaric but not the enforcement so unless they change the law....
i don't know whether he really regards himself as singaporean i never keep up in music arena so i can't say if thats his constant stand or somethign that just came up.... but even if so also you should get special treatment?
i'm not being petty lah. it not just some small insignificant detail esp since others have been dealt with much more severely.
well the law states very clearly that fine OR jail OR both.
so the law has been enforced. what more do u want? Wanting more, and getting more, IS barbaric.
like lazerlordz pointed out also, he's 49. Can enlist him meh? Honestly if he dun regard himself as singaporean i dun think he will want to come back. He could have made arrangements long ago to move his parents out of Sg.
So yup. a fine or jail or both. he got a fine. Law has been enforced. Sooooo um, what else u want? If still feeling a bit bu kan yuan about it, go out, buy some cheng teng, drink it and relax. -
btw hisoka, when u kill Lady Fate, dun make too much of a mess ok? The Great Cthulhu might not like it.
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err... just wanna say that the fine is really too light already, maybe can do community service to make up for national service, since he's pianist right?? can ask him to perform free for old folks and all that, see his shows no need pay money
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chinese says "huang ti fan fa, su ming tong jui" - Emperor commit crime, punishment same as commoner but look like it can be bend for convience.
so why must my dad faithfully goes back to serve his NS?