Paid Fine and returns home for not reserving NS
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tian zi, not huang tiOriginally posted by LinYu:chinese says "huang ti fan fa, su ming tong jui" - Emperor commit crime, punishment same as commoner but look like it can be bend for convience.
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Originally posted by dragg:tian zi, not huang ti
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I'll be honest. If I were him back then I'd have done the same...he had more to lose by returning home. I don't know if the MDC existed back then.
As for the punishment, my points have already been covered by Heng and LL. I suppose those who invited him to sit on the judging panel for that competition are alright with it too. -
no lah punishment must see precedent mah law say fine up to 5k then one day one guy dun do ns and get fined 1 cent you happy? of course must see what other pple of similar offences get. not barbaric at all lorOriginally posted by HENG@:everything has it exceptions.
well the law states very clearly that fine OR jail OR both.
so the law has been enforced. what more do u want? Wanting more, and getting more, IS barbaric.
like lazerlordz pointed out also, he's 49. Can enlist him meh? Honestly if he dun regard himself as singaporean i dun think he will want to come back. He could have made arrangements long ago to move his parents out of Sg.
So yup. a fine or jail or both. he got a fine. Law has been enforced. Sooooo um, what else u want? If still feeling a bit bu kan yuan about it, go out, buy some cheng teng, drink it and relax.
i don't know why he never make his parents move maybe its his parents who don't wanna move. -
to him his actions are justifiable. but he did escape NS. he should be punished accordingly. why is he accorded special treatment? just because he is talented?Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I'll be honest. If I were him back then I'd have done the same...he had more to lose by returning home. I don't know if the MDC existed back then.
As for the punishment, my points have already been covered by Heng and LL. I suppose those who invited him to sit on the judging panel for that competition are alright with it too. -
My guess is it's to avoid embarrassment in the international arena. And those musicians who sympathise with him might boycott Singapore, which would be detrimental to what the powers-that-be are trying to do these days with our arts scene.Originally posted by dragg:to him his actions are justifiable. but he did escape NS. he should be punished accordingly. why is he accorded special treatment? just because he is talented? -
sooo... he boycotted himself anyways. I hope everyone is happy now!
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x2Originally posted by HENG@:sooo... he boycotted himself anyways. I hope everyone is happy now!
Well done, Singapore, for shooting ourselves in the foot.
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SOP what.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:x2
Well done, Singapore, for shooting ourselves in the foot.
Domestic market vs international long-term outlook.This is the crux. -
I am sure your Dad served not out of fear but because deep inside he knew it has contributed in a small way to keeping you and the family safe.Originally posted by LinYu:chinese says "huang ti fan fa, su ming tong jui" - Emperor commit crime, punishment same as commoner but look like it can be bend for convience.
so why must my dad faithfully goes back to serve his NS? -
Oh I know I am!Originally posted by HENG@:sooo... he boycotted himself anyways. I hope everyone is happy now! 
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Clap hands, dance around and sets off crackersOriginally posted by HENG@:sooo... he boycotted himself anyways. I hope everyone is happy now! -
Huh?Originally posted by HENG@:sooo... he boycotted himself anyways. I hope everyone is happy now! 
*scratches head...
I have been very busy lately and haven't had time to catch up on the news.
So, what conspired to make you guys say that 'he boycotted himself'? -
Accrding to Sunday's papers, he cancelled all his public appearances here.Originally posted by Rhonda:Huh? *scratches head...
I have been very busy lately and haven't had time to catch up on the news.
So, what conspired to make you guys say that 'he boycotted himself'? -
because he say he feel bad about setting off a controversy and thus dun wish to perform anymore? Urgh I dunno. There are many ways for an individual to contribute to a country, I only wish other people could see it.Originally posted by Rhonda:Huh? *scratches head...
I have been very busy lately and haven't had time to catch up on the news.
So, what conspired to make you guys say that 'he boycotted himself'? -
Originally posted by av98m:Oh I know I am!
I'm sure this is what the Russians call nekulturny.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Clap hands, dance around and sets off crackers -
Da, tovar'ichOriginally posted by HENG@:I'm sure this is what the Russians call nekulturny. -
Ah well. evolution didn't take a day and a night. We'll give it time.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Da, tovar'ich -
Yah lah, I'll admit it. Me uneducated and uncultured.
*pops another heavy metal cd into his cd player and looks at the comics section of his newspaper* -
thats funny. I love comics and listen to that sort of music too. Dun stereotype us comic lovers and metal, rock and punk music listeners please. its not very nice of you.Originally posted by av98m:Yah lah, I'll admit it. Me uneducated and uncultured.
*pops another heavy metal cd into his cd player and looks at the comics section of his newspaper* -
Its also not very nice to call people who do not agree with you "uncultured", isn't it?
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unless of course, they happen to actually be so.Originally posted by av98m:Its also not very nice to call people who do not agree with you "uncultured", isn't it?
funny. i get the same arguments from the bigots who argue against me on the topic of homosexuality. They discriminate and fits the bill of a bigot in every way, and are thus defined bigots by the dictionary. Just because i call them bigots dun mean i call them that just because they don't agree with me. I call them that because thats what they are. -
I think...it's very difficult for many men who have gone thru' NS to be 'gracious' (to use your word) in this case bec. of the sh.t they've gone thru' in NS, plus the 20+ yrs of reservist. Knowing what some have gone thru', I will not begrudge them for being so-called 'ungracious', bearing in mind that some men have even lost limb and life while serving NS.Originally posted by HENG@:bravo Lazer. Im glad someone here can actually see that national service can be in other forms besides military, and be gracious about it. -
It was his choice to stay away from his parents, which, IMHO, cannot be compared with serving NS out of a sense of national duty as a male citizen, so don't expect extra sympathy points for that. There are different ways to look at it, one of which is - he would even choose to stay away from his beloved parents for his entire lifetime over sacrificing 2.5 yrs of his life to serve NS (something nobody likes but all would agree is necessary). Very filial son.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Sometimes, we should not begrudge those who have made it past our monkey bars.You think he hasn't sacrificed enough inside?nearly 3 decades away from his aging parents, whereas a NSF can go home everyday or every two days.. -
i suppose not, but that sort of comes under the "petty" category doesn't it?Originally posted by Wanda:I think...it's very difficult for many men who have gone thru' NS to be 'gracious' (to use your word) in this case bec. of the sh.t they've gone thru' in NS, plus the 20+ yrs of reservist. Knowing what some have gone thru', I will not begrudge them for being so-called 'ungracious', bearing in mind that some men have even lost limb and life while serving NS.
And there are some people here who've served as well who can still be gracious about it.