nurse earn more that doc
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Filipino Doctors are moving oversea to countries like US and retrain as nurse, because it earn more there as nurse then being doc back at home.
equality?
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now then you know?
it's a mess over there.. -
not surprising...
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it's not actually equality..
it's all about currencies, and how much your country can afford to pay you.. -
kops, this is actually old news.
It takes A LOT of nurses to keep a hospital running. The better hospitals take care of patients AND their nurses by having a 'good' nurse : patient ratio so that patients get the care and attention they need for their holistic health, and nurses don't get burnt out and over-stretched.
I think the 'best' place, in terms of salary, benefits and remuneration, as well as professional development, is in the US. That's where Nursing Research is well-established and new developments spew forth.
In fact, in the US, you'll find that there's a high percentage of foreign nurses working there. Africa had a huge outflow of nurses who left their country to work in the US, and the situation got so bad that they actually wrote to the US govt asking them to please stop taking in their nurses because there's a severe shortage back home.
The US had a kind of quota system and early this year, they announced that all nursing applicants who were born in China, The Philippines and India, would be backdated two years, meaning, nurses born from these countries who applied to work in the States later than 2002, would have to face an up to five year wait for their visas to be approved!
This created a stir amongst the affected applicants, as well as amongst the nurses and hospitals in the US, because they are badly in need of foreign nurses to beef up their manpower.
Heard that the latest news is, they've lifted the restrictions somewhat and modified the rules.
Still, the rule means that a Malaysian / Singaporean nurse would find it much easier than the nurses born in those aforementioned countries to get their green card. In fact, for nurses, her immediate family gets the green card easily too!
The major obstacle would be to ensure that the NCLEX-RN, the nursing licencing exams in the US, is cleared. And boy, that's ONE killer-whale of a hurdle! 
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some of the filipino nurses you see in our local hospitals are qualified doctors back in their country.
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tats very sad...Originally posted by sinicker:some of the filipino nurses you see in our local hospitals are qualified doctors back in their country. -
Eh... I don't know of any who are in this situation over here.Originally posted by sinicker:some of the filipino nurses you see in our local hospitals are qualified doctors back in their country.
I do know that we have Senior Nurses or sometimes even, Sisters, from China and Myanmar who arrive here and start work as Enrolled Nurses (they assist Staff Nurses) and I was like... !!
I mean, can always make them function as Staff Nurse trainees, instead of making them work four to five ranks down from their previous job level! If it's cause of no confidence in their standards back home, then, put them on a probation period, instead of 'demoting' them so much. Eventually, it'll affect staff morale. -
their hardwork for many years are not fully utilised.Originally posted by sinicker:some of the filipino nurses you see in our local hospitals are qualified doctors back in their country.
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Not surprisingOriginally posted by kops21:Filipino Doctors are moving oversea to countries like US and retrain as nurse, because it earn more there as nurse then being doc back at home.
equality?
I mean you get degree holders from Phillippines who come over to work as maids....so is it anything surprising?
One of my friends had a maid who used to work as an Executive Chef in a 5 star hotel in Phillippines. Needless to say, no complains about the cooking -
If you are that friend, will u still keep the maid to enjoy the good cooking or would you encourage her to seek "better opportunities"?Originally posted by elindra:Not surprising
I mean you get degree holders from Phillippines who come over to work as maids....so is it anything surprising?
One of my friends had a maid who used to work as an Executive Chef in a 5 star hotel in Phillippines. Needless to say, no complains about the cooking -
Sadly, the reality is that for a lot of them, their paper qualifications do not hold in Singapore. Somehow, the Singapore govt kinda 'snubs' the standards and quality of their qualifications.Originally posted by kops21:If you are that friend, will u still keep the maid to enjoy the good cooking or would you encourage her to seek "better opportunities"?
And that's why you end up with Filipino degree holders working as maids here.
How to seek ''better opportunities'' when your qualifications aren't recognised here at all? Unless they can make it to another country where they are valued for their experience and qualifications. -
I will just encourage her to upgrade her skills and if she wants to seek better opportunities, why not?Originally posted by kops21:If you are that friend, will u still keep the maid to enjoy the good cooking or would you encourage her to seek "better opportunities"?
As what Rhonda said, their qualifications aren't really recognized here so it's difficult
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The girls have circumstances that led to their decision to work here as maids and I respect that decision. My responsibility is to be a good employer. However if she feels she wants to end the contract early due to better opportunities, I would gladly let her go.Originally posted by kops21:If you are that friend, will u still keep the maid to enjoy the good cooking or would you encourage her to seek "better opportunities"?
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Many vet assistants at the vetrinary are Philippinos too, and many are vets in their own country.Originally posted by sinicker:some of the filipino nurses you see in our local hospitals are qualified doctors back in their country. -
Some prostitutes in Geylang earn more than some doctors and managers HERE.
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It is not surprising
Developing countries faces such problems more... Due to the lure of higher wages
But I see Nurses provide more care than Doc -
have been wanting to ask :Originally posted by Rhonda:Eh... I don't know of any who are in this situation over here.
I do know that we have Senior Nurses or sometimes even, Sisters, from China and Myanmar who arrive here and start work as Enrolled Nurses (they assist Staff Nurses) and I was like... !!
I mean, can always make them function as Staff Nurse trainees, instead of making them work four to five ranks down from their previous job level! If it's cause of no confidence in their standards back home, then, put them on a probation period, instead of 'demoting' them so much. Eventually, it'll affect staff morale.
is there a hierarchy for nurses (apart from the no. of years of exp.)
I know there are trainee nurses, nurses, & staff nurses.
What about "Sister"? is that a rank or just an honorific address? -
if the talented doctors stayed at their own country maybe more of their ppl would have benefit from their work and contributions. It is too sad to see the medical field as path towards profits, gain and wealth
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I was shocked to learn recently that a few ivy league med schools in the US offer dual MD and MBA degrees !!! .....Originally posted by newmanmback:if the talented doctors stayed at their own country maybe more of their ppl would have benefit from their work and contributions. It is too said to see the medical field as path towards profits, gain and wealth
something is not right here .... people should choose to be a doctor for altruistic reasons .... not to get rich ...
in anycase, I feel that two self regulating professions (medicine and law) in particular, has evolved from one that serves the society to one that feeds off it .....
at least nursing still largely to their ethos of service to the sick ... -
Now then you know.Originally posted by Fatum:in anycase, I feel that two self regulating professions (medicine and law) in particular, has evolved from one that serves the society to one that feeds off it .....
Even Doctors, especially those specialists, are blood suckers.
their one day salary is your one month.
Whereas many of their customers are suffering, from $$ drain. -
Oh yeah, there's a hierarchy alright...Originally posted by kalangkabo:have been wanting to ask :
is there a hierarchy for nurses (apart from the no. of years of exp.)
I know there are trainee nurses, nurses, & staff nurses.
What about "Sister"? is that a rank or just an honorific address?
HA's, or Healthcare Assistants : They are who we informally call 'ah mah's. They do the general legwork at times, like fetching medicine from the pharmacies, helping to serve the meals, washing the cups, etc. Some of their legwork is now being taken over by Porters.
PCA's, or Patient Care Assts : They help patients with tasks like showering, sponging, feeding, etc and tasks are delegated to them by the Enrolled Nurses or the Staff Nurses.
Enrolled Nurses : They used to be called ''Asst Nurses''. They play an invaluable role as the better and best EN's really make a huge difference between a smooth, uneventful shift, or one that's inefficient. EN's are increasingly becoming independant with their own roles and responsibilities.
Staff Nurses Grades I & II : These are the nurses who are being assigned patients to take care of. They are the liaison between the doctors, pharmacists, allied healthcare professionals (eg. Dietitian, Physiotherapists, Occupational Therapists, etc), patients and their relatives. Nurses are responsible for ensuring that patient's needs and all medicine administration and any ordered medical procedures are completed during their shift, and they write reports to pass on to the oncoming shift. They ensure a smooth flow of tasks for the patient. In resuscitation efforts, nurses work closely with the doctors. Documentation and PR are integral parts of a Staff Nurses' job.
Snr Staff Nurses Grades I & II : They are responsible for the running of certain ward areas, as well as the delegation of tasks to all under them, and the training and guidance of their juniors. Huge responsibility! Snr Staff Nurses are equipped with experience and knowledge and the best amongst them can actually suggest better ways and methods of accomplishing certain tasks to the Housemen and even the Medical Officers.
Beyond that, you have those Nurse Clinicians, Nurse Specialists, Nurse Educators, and Nurse Managers, all called 'Sisters' because they're at management level.
On top of those, you have the Matrons aka the Asst Directors and Directors of Nursing Administration. They sit in an office and no longer participate in clinical work but instead, run the hospital and take care of all the nurses employed there.
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Altruism comes at a price these days.Originally posted by Fatum:I was shocked to learn recently that a few ivy league med schools in the US offer dual MD and MBA degrees !!! .....
something is not right here .... people should choose to be a doctor for altruistic reasons .... not to get rich ...
in anycase, I feel that two self regulating professions (medicine and law) in particular, has evolved from one that serves the society to one that feeds off it .....
at least nursing still largely to their ethos of service to the sick ...
I mean, let's be realistic - docs and nurses have to eat too, y'know! And the money has to come from somewhere!
I believe in being compensated fairly. But yes, I agree with you that it's sad if something other than empathy is the motivation for careers like these. -
There are Ghanaian and West African graduates who can only find menial employment in UK, while studying for their Masters..Originally posted by Rhonda:Sadly, the reality is that for a lot of them, their paper qualifications do not hold in Singapore. Somehow, the Singapore govt kinda 'snubs' the standards and quality of their qualifications.
And that's why you end up with Filipino degree holders working as maids here.
How to seek ''better opportunities'' when your qualifications aren't recognised here at all? Unless they can make it to another country where they are valued for their experience and qualifications.
and it's no secret that many NY cabbies in the 70s and 80s were Indian graduates and some even were doctors.. -
If a friend has a degree in OT and later pursues a Masters in OT, which level could she end up..?Originally posted by Rhonda:Oh yeah, there's a hierarchy alright...
HA's, or Healthcare Assistants : They are who we informally call 'ah mah's. They do the general legwork at times, like fetching medicine from the pharmacies, helping to serve the meals, washing the cups, etc. Some of their legwork is now being taken over by Porters.
PCA's, or Patient Care Assts : They help patients with tasks like showering, sponging, feeding, etc and tasks are delegated to them by the Enrolled Nurses or the Staff Nurses.
Enrolled Nurses : They used to be called ''Asst Nurses''. They play an invaluable role as the better and best EN's really make a huge difference between a smooth, uneventful shift, or one that's inefficient. EN's are increasingly becoming independant with their own roles and responsibilities.
Staff Nurses Grades I & II : These are the nurses who are being assigned patients to take care of. They are the liaison between the doctors, pharmacists, allied healthcare professionals (eg. Dietitian, Physiotherapists, Occupational Therapists, etc), patients and their relatives. Nurses are responsible for ensuring that patient's needs and all medicine administration and any ordered medical procedures are completed during their shift, and they write reports to pass on to the oncoming shift. They ensure a smooth flow of tasks for the patient. In resuscitation efforts, nurses work closely with the doctors. Documentation and PR are integral parts of a Staff Nurses' job.
Snr Staff Nurses Grades I & II : They are responsible for the running of certain ward areas, as well as the delegation of tasks to all under them, and the training and guidance of their juniors. Huge responsibility! Snr Staff Nurses are equipped with experience and knowledge and the best amongst them can actually suggest better ways and methods of accomplishing certain tasks to the Housemen and even the Medical Officers.
Beyond that, you have those Nurse Clinicians, Nurse Specialists, Nurse Educators, and Nurse Managers, all called 'Sisters' because they're at management level.
On top of those, you have the Matrons aka the Asst Directors and Directors of Nursing Administration. They sit in an office and no longer participate in clinical work but instead, run the hospital and take care of all the nurses employed there.
Hope this helps!