a sad topic with humour
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Dear Gedanken,
Please, why don’t you make peace with me? I haven’t attacked you and you are picking on me anyway. I don’t have your arrogance, nor your ego to argue with you, neither I feel the need to feed and show my ego off. If you can’t make peace with me, then atleast tell me what you want to reach or prove with your arrogant comments and I give it to you. I don’t see any point in arguing about the meaning of the word “happy”, this is really an irrelevant issue and nobody here can’t understand why it is bothering you so much, that you probably can’t sleep because of it. If you want to make me in the eyes of the others mindless, childish, shallow or whatever, just tell me and I admit all those to make you happy and to make you feel like the winner. The same applies to the meaning of the word “happy” and to my thread, tell me what you want to prove about them and I admit it here in the forum. You have commented them, but please summarize the things you want to prove so that I can admit all of them.
I have asked you if you have something against me in my PM and also asked you to solve it via PM and not in the public forum, but you have replied that you will carry on with this till I get it. If you still want to discuss about the meaning of the word “happy”, I again ask you to do so via PM and without your arrogance. Why can’t you be friendly? I would like to discuss with you about anything but only when you put your arrogance away.
The only thing which you have with your comments reached is, that the others see you as an arrogant ( Â… I donÂ’t want to be rude so you can put here any word you like). Congratulation!
I have got many supporting PMs since you started picking on me in which the forumers tell me I shouldn’t mind you and that you often bully others. I can’t believe you are a psychologist, I thought you were some arrogant guy around 20 years old who has nothing better to do then to act like the winner. I thought people in your age – older then the most of us here, are wiser and humble and have learnt from the life.
I know that you will use the words I wrote here against me and keep picking on me. Maybe you choose some statements from here and would try to prove I am contradicting to myself or I am this or that or whatever. I won’t react on your comments. Why not? I explain it with the words of the Bear or maybe someone else used these words : “don’t feed the troll”
The only comment I am willing to make is to admit everything you want to prove to make you feel like the winner and me the loser and I hope it finally creates peace and you stop your arrogant comments, ofcourse you are free to make any other comments. Unluckily for you, you will have to find a new victim to feed your ego, but I donÂ’t think it is hard for you.
I would prefer to be friends.
I want to apologize to all for solving it in the public, I donÂ’t intend to make more posts of this kind. All I want is to end the arrogant comments of Gedanken, preferably in a friendly manner; I hope he is capable of it.
Gedanken, can you make peace with me in a friendly manner? -
Translated: "Whatever it takes, shut up and go away".
Rhonda, Elindra and some of the Club 30 members who've been here long enough know me know that if there's one thing that gets me going, it's an unthinking approach to things.
At this point, I've already made myself clear, yet you've chosen to regard all that as "irrelevant", instead harping on about:
1) my ego and arrogance
2) something that I'm trying to prove
3) my sleep patterns
none of which pertain directly to the subject matter, and simply serve as a weak attempt to score a few points off me. In light of this, your call for peace is quite laughable. If you do wish to quote the Bear, "hitting rock botton and starting to dig" is particularly applicable here.
Once again, you show a complete and utter lack of thought in your latest post. After all of that passive-aggressive ramble, you deem fit to ask why I don't make peace. You still don't get it.
The most telling thing is that you've effectively stated, "I don't care what point you're making; whatever it is I'll agree to it so you'll go away". Well, if a blatant attempt to shove the discussion matter (which is what I'm on this thread for) in the bin with as little fuss as possible isn't the ultimate sign of arrogance, what is? Kettle, meet pot.
For somebody who chooses "thinkdifferent" as a nick, it's uproariously funny that you should try to sway my opinion with the argument "everybody thinks this" or "nobody thinks that".
As Rhonda and some of the others will tell you, I'm not interested in popularity contests - if there's something I feel worth pointing out, I'll do so reagrdless of its unpopular or controversial nature. If someone makes a logical counterpoint, I'll stop and think about it and if it makes sense, I might even agree. If you're trying to work out what I want from all this, that is it.
I'll sum up what I see here:
1) You choose to call yourself "thinkdifferent" but act to support hegemony
2) You call me arrogant when you try to bury issues you can't address as irrelevant
3) You ask for peace when all you want is a lack of challenge to your rant
4) You claim to want to be friends but see things in a winner/loser framework
5) You claim you don't want to be rude but comment incessantly on my personality
A whole lot of contradictions here that show you want to present yourself as "nice" when there's a lot of trouble bubbling underneath the surface - the hallmark of passive-aggressiveness, one of the most annoying foibles known to man. If you're a nasty piece of work and admit it, that's something I can live with. Hypocrisy just rankles, and surface-level treatment carries little currency with me.
The points that I consider pertinent and worth discussing are all in my previous posts already - if you do want peace (an objective that is clearly not reflected in your posts), take on the subject matter and either justify your stance or develop an understanding of the alternative view. Like I said, unthinking approaches to things get my goat; conversely, a thinking approach goes a long way to smoothing things over.
If I do have to spell it out for you: deal with the key points without getting all defensive about it (hell, do what you please as long as you address the key points), and we'll get along just fine.
Now that I've addressed your queries, let's get back to the subject matter, shall we? -
From what I see , Ged is only pointing out the weakness of the argument placed forth i.e. fluffy bunnies dead from the view of someone who got jilted....oh live happy hopping bunnies from someone in love. The definition of happiness is skewed . Men are the reason why a woman is happy - OH PLEASE. Happiness is found in oneself rather than found in others.Originally posted by thinkdifferent:Dear Gedanken,
Please, why don’t you make peace with me? I haven’t attacked you and you are picking on me anyway. I don’t have your arrogance, nor your ego to argue with you, neither I feel the need to feed and show my ego off. If you can’t make peace with me, then atleast tell me what you want to reach or prove with your arrogant comments and I give it to you. I don’t see any point in arguing about the meaning of the word “happy”, this is really an irrelevant issue and nobody here can’t understand why it is bothering you so much, that you probably can’t sleep because of it. If you want to make me in the eyes of the others mindless, childish, shallow or whatever, just tell me and I admit all those to make you happy and to make you feel like the winner. The same applies to the meaning of the word “happy” and to my thread, tell me what you want to prove about them and I admit it here in the forum. You have commented them, but please summarize the things you want to prove so that I can admit all of them.
I have asked you if you have something against me in my PM and also asked you to solve it via PM and not in the public forum, but you have replied that you will carry on with this till I get it. If you still want to discuss about the meaning of the word “happy”, I again ask you to do so via PM and without your arrogance. Why can’t you be friendly? I would like to discuss with you about anything but only when you put your arrogance away.
The only thing which you have with your comments reached is, that the others see you as an arrogant ( Â… I donÂ’t want to be rude so you can put here any word you like). Congratulation!
I have got many supporting PMs since you started picking on me in which the forumers tell me I shouldn’t mind you and that you often bully others. I can’t believe you are a psychologist, I thought you were some arrogant guy around 20 years old who has nothing better to do then to act like the winner. I thought people in your age – older then the most of us here, are wiser and humble and have learnt from the life.
I know that you will use the words I wrote here against me and keep picking on me. Maybe you choose some statements from here and would try to prove I am contradicting to myself or I am this or that or whatever. I won’t react on your comments. Why not? I explain it with the words of the Bear or maybe someone else used these words : “don’t feed the troll”
The only comment I am willing to make is to admit everything you want to prove to make you feel like the winner and me the loser and I hope it finally creates peace and you stop your arrogant comments, ofcourse you are free to make any other comments. Unluckily for you, you will have to find a new victim to feed your ego, but I donÂ’t think it is hard for you.
I would prefer to be friends.
I want to apologize to all for solving it in the public, I donÂ’t intend to make more posts of this kind. All I want is to end the arrogant comments of Gedanken, preferably in a friendly manner; I hope he is capable of it.
Gedanken, can you make peace with me in a friendly manner?
I know Ged ....he may be too blunt to the point but he has a point. He ain't feeding no ego - he just speaking what he thinks and that takes guts rather than some guy who refrains from debating a point with a girl just because he is scared of the emotional outbursts .
Frankly this topic should not be even in a 30s section since it just reflects the thoughts of a teenager who just got jilted from puppydog love. It just makes me think of those girly mags ...Oh he loves me Oh he loves me not *shudder*
FOR GODSAKES....stop crying "OOOH someone is bullying me" as implied. Defend your position and tell us why you think happiness should be borne on the shoulders of a man rather than out of a partnership .
P.S I AM NOT EVEN 30 and this topic is irritating the sh*t outta me. -
Ah, fymk, some people just don't get it. Ah well, if I'm going to be accused of the crime I may as well enjoy it:
Hey chico, I'M the bad guy!
"Whattaya lookin' at? You're all a bunch of f***ing a**holes. You know why? 'Cause you don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your f***ing fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what dat make you? Good? You're not good; you just know how to hide. Howda lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth--even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. Come on; the last time you gonna see a bad guy like this, let me tell ya. Come on, make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through; you better get outta his way!" -
i dun see no pic
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Whoops, apparently Fortunecity doesn't allow it. Switched.
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ewww. thats one ugly sod.
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well, if she choose to do that, it's her choice.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:But sometimes she sinks into a pothole in the ground...that's what I meant.
nobody forced her do that.
she can choose to carry on with her life happily or sulk at her future. -
ohh, just let go lah.Originally posted by Gedanken:Translated: "Whatever it takes, shut up and go away".
Rhonda, Elindra and some of the Club 30 members who've been here long enough know me know that if there's one thing that gets me going, it's an unthinking approach to things.
At this point, I've already made myself clear, yet you've chosen to regard all that as "irrelevant", instead harping on about:
1) my ego and arrogance
2) something that I'm trying to prove
3) my sleep patterns
none of which pertain directly to the subject matter, and simply serve as a weak attempt to score a few points off me. In light of this, your call for peace is quite laughable. If you do wish to quote the Bear, "hitting rock botton and starting to dig" is particularly applicable here.
Once again, you show a complete and utter lack of thought in your latest post. After all of that passive-aggressive ramble, you deem fit to ask why I don't make peace. You still don't get it.
The most telling thing is that you've effectively stated, "I don't care what point you're making; whatever it is I'll agree to it so you'll go away". Well, if a blatant attempt to shove the discussion matter (which is what I'm on this thread for) in the bin with as little fuss as possible isn't the ultimate sign of arrogance, what is? Kettle, meet pot.
For somebody who chooses "thinkdifferent" as a nick, it's uproariously funny that you should try to sway my opinion with the argument "everybody thinks this" or "nobody thinks that".
As Rhonda and some of the others will tell you, I'm not interested in popularity contests - if there's something I feel worth pointing out, I'll do so reagrdless of its unpopular or controversial nature. If someone makes a logical counterpoint, I'll stop and think about it and if it makes sense, I might even agree. If you're trying to work out what I want from all this, that is it.
I'll sum up what I see here:
1) You choose to call yourself "thinkdifferent" but act to support hegemony
2) You call me arrogant when you try to bury issues you can't address as irrelevant
3) You ask for peace when all you want is a lack of challenge to your rant
4) You claim to want to be friends but see things in a winner/loser framework
5) You claim you don't want to be rude but comment incessantly on my personality
A whole lot of contradictions here that show you want to present yourself as "nice" when there's a lot of trouble bubbling underneath the surface - the hallmark of passive-aggressiveness, one of the most annoying foibles known to man. If you're a nasty piece of work and admit it, that's something I can live with. Hypocrisy just rankles, and surface-level treatment carries little currency with me.
The points that I consider pertinent and worth discussing are all in my previous posts already - if you do want peace (an objective that is clearly not reflected in your posts), take on the subject matter and either justify your stance or develop an understanding of the alternative view. Like I said, unthinking approaches to things get my goat; conversely, a thinking approach goes a long way to smoothing things over.
If I do have to spell it out for you: deal with the key points without getting all defensive about it (hell, do what you please as long as you address the key points), and we'll get along just fine.
Now that I've addressed your queries, let's get back to the subject matter, shall we?
this isn't the first time u started this type of argument anyway!
everyone got their own opinions n views, if u don't agree, doesn't mean that u need to stuff it into someone's face n make him eat it. -
Que, muchacho? What part of "I'm the bad guy" don't you understand?Originally posted by Kenashi:everyone got their own opinions n views, if u don't agree, doesn't mean that u need to stuff it into someone's face n make him eat it. -
Hahahah i think its very interesting a person posting pictures reflecting what they perceived themselves to be. Mr Tough and Mr Cool all in one persona.Originally posted by Gedanken:Que, muchacho? What part of "I'm the bad guy" don't you understand?
From reading the comments of others, i am surprised that you as a psychologist do not recognise, and if you do recognise it, then admit that your are indeed "ego tripping" and enjoying the victimisation of thinkdifferent. With the pretence of talking about the topic of this thread.
My apolgise for insulting one such as yourself to state that your have a mere teching degree. But your interest of critically anylsing the litery works of thinkdifferent lead me to beleive this. You seem to have no concern or seemingly try to see what thinkdifferent is or maybe talking about behind what she wrote.
But now that she has indeed asked you to back off, i think any person should respect such as wish and do so. Even i can not believe that you can be so petty. -
*sigh* Here we go again.
First and foremost, you choose to impose your little world view on things, conveniently sidestepping what has been made painfully explicit. OK, you're forgiven for not knowing about either Razor Ramon or Tony Montana (Al Pacino's character in Scarface), so I'll explain it to you. Both characters' hallmarks are freely and openly admitting to being the bad guy - that would have been obvious in the quotes if you hadn't distracted yourself with trying to read an imagined subtext. As it is, Razor Ramon (aka Scott Hall) has been run out of wrestling for a drinking problem and Tony Montana was ultimately gunned down, so the conclusion to their, ahem, "tough and cool" images certainly puts paid to any emulation of them on my part.
*sigh again* Translated: the "I'm the bad guy" part is the key point of my using the two examples, not being tough and cool.
Second, I've raised the issue about happiness and how it pertains to the original post. So far, only Schrodinger's Cat has had the decency to attempt addressing that point. I raised it, you avoided it, and I'm the one working under pretences? Take a reality check, Kettle.
Third, whatever hallucinogenic substance makes you think that I would be swayed by what everybody else is saying? As fymk has observed, I'll speak my peace and bugger the political correctness, thank you very much. Also, if the physician is to heal himself, best that he not do it with Marie-Claire-article notions of "ego tripping".
By the way, according to real psychology, that little "pretence about the topic" stunt you tried pulling is called projection within Anna Freud's framework of ego defence mechanisms. Just thought you might want to try some real knowlewdge sometime instead of rotting your brains with trashy magazine quizzes.
Now I'm not going back off, and I'll be forthright in telling you why. The passive-aggressive hit-and-run tactics employed by thinkdifferent in her post at the top of this page are cowardly to the point of being offensive - "I'll say you're arrogant, blah blah blah - let's be friends". Why should I wish to resolve this with someone who chooses to make attacks under an entreaty of peace? If you've got a problem, spit it out - don't try the saccharine-sweet cyanide approach because it's despicable. In fact, I'll lead by example - I choose to be on the offensive here, and I'll be blunt about it and pronounce myself the bad guy. At least I can live with my honesty. Am I aggressive? Yes. Am I offensive? I prepared to acknowledge that. Am I a bully as she claims? Get real - she's giving it as good as she's getting, and you've been fooled by her underhanded approach.
Just in case, I'll say it again: the problem with the first post is that it uses a childish, surface-level definition of happiness, and therefore does not do justice to the ex-boyfriend's wish for the girl's future happiness. In fact, I propose that the ex saw the long term view and did them both a favour by cutting both their losses. I object to his being misrepresented. I eagerly await to see what excuses you'll come up with to sidestep this key issue. -
Oh come on who are you trying to kid here. Do not attempt to explain yourself out of the heroes in your life. I agree it is embarassing being caught idolisinzing such heroes for on such as yourself. Seeing yourself as a Mr Tough guyOriginally posted by Gedanken:*sigh* Here we go again.
too long to repost read above
By the way is Maire-Clairre any good?
The question i have for you, is if you are not ego tripping, then why do you choose to continue, when clearly the person has begged for you to stop.
Especially one that has begged you privately and publicy.
You have gone beyond mere conversation and on the verge of harrasement. -
the stubborn partOriginally posted by Gedanken:Que, muchacho? What part of "I'm the bad guy" don't you understand? -
There you go again, picking and choosing bits to fabricate a stance.
Listen, the amateur psychoanalysis is amusing, and the addition of denial to your list of ego defences is a good pun, but don't go expecting me to take you any more seriously than you take me.
Begged me? Utter rubbish. It's all there for you to read if you choose to take the blinkers off. If you want to be stupid enough to believe someone when they say they want peace while trying to slap you across the face, feel free. Do not, however, attempt to convince me to engage in that kind of stupidity.
In any case, this is more a matter of you trying to play working-class hero than me - what was that phrase? Ah yes - ego-tripping. After all, why did you choose to introduce the degree issue? "Oooh, this guy's got a degree - let's get him!". Careful, that slip's showing.
Nice job sidestepping the happiness issue, by the way - you just proved me right. -
Well, deal with it. I'm the bad guy and I'm stubborn!Originally posted by Kenashi:the stubborn part -
ok, i give up.Originally posted by Gedanken:Well, deal with it. I'm the bad guy and I'm stubborn!
but do u think u win anything by keeping this up??
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Who says I'm trying to win anything?
*sigh* Once again (and I'm cutting-and-pasting because I keep having to repeat myself):
The problem with the first post is that it uses a childish, surface-level definition of happiness, and therefore does not do justice to the ex-boyfriend's wish for the girl's future happiness. In fact, I propose that the ex saw the long term view and did them both a favour by cutting both their losses. I object to his being misrepresented.
Now if some people wish to pay Don Quixote, I'm quite content with returning the serve. In the meantime, the key issue isn't being debated but I'm not too fussed about that either, since all these shenanigans are serving a secondary purpose and revealing the hypocrites who claim to play nice but relish the fighting. -
that's why i said since u can't win anything, just drop it.Originally posted by Gedanken:Who says I'm trying to win anything?
*sigh* Once again (and I'm cutting-and-pasting because I keep having to repeat myself):
The problem with the first post is that it uses a childish, surface-level definition of happiness, and therefore does not do justice to the ex-boyfriend's wish for the girl's future happiness. In fact, I propose that the ex saw the long term view and did them both a favour by cutting both their losses. I object to his being misrepresented.
Now if some people wish to pay Don Quixote, I'm quite content with returning the serve. In the meantime, the key issue isn't being debated but I'm not too fussed about that either, since all these shenanigans are serving a secondary purpose and revealing the hypocrites who claim to play nice but relish the fighting.
no need to make pit yrself again others for the sake of an argument over views.
even if u win the argument, do u think that u have change the views of others???
if not, just learn to let go.
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when a person wants to break off(be it young yet to married guy or girl, or be it married for many yrs hubby or wife) haizzzz...hundred and one reasons a person can come up with........Originally posted by Rhonda:Haiz... if something's said, the person's insensitive.
If nothing's said, the person's callous and still insensitive.
Look at it this way, a breakup is a breakup. No matter what's said or not said, the receiving party won't be happy to hear whatever's being said.
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Kenashi, that's why I've moved to the "I'm the bad guy" theme. Right now, bugger it, I'm irritated enough with this hypocrisy, passive-aggressiveness and penny-ante working-class-hero BS to want to serve it right back for the hell of it.
Now most times I do just what you're suggesting and walking away from it (I think Rhonda will have some idea of how often I do that) because I'm simply not in the mood. Not today, though. If someone wants to jump into the fight and then wring their hands and get all queasy because of the mess, it's not my problem. -
How pitiful ....how sad .....someone is begging? OH please . If she wants to put forth a view which is filmsy in foundation , she better know how to defend it. One has to bear responsibility for one's speech .Originally posted by Kan_i:Oh come on who are you trying to kid here. Do not attempt to explain yourself out of the heroes in your life. I agree it is embarassing being caught idolisinzing such heroes for on such as yourself. Seeing yourself as a Mr Tough guy
By the way is Maire-Clairre any good?
The question i have for you, is if you are not ego tripping, then why do you choose to continue, when clearly the person has begged for you to stop.
Especially one that has begged you privately and publicy.
You have gone beyond mere conversation and on the verge of harrasement.
If she begs to be freed from defending her views in which she feels upset that someone else actually pointed a weakness in her argument , then why did she bring it up at all and go all BOOHOOpityme? GROW UP AND GET OVER IT.
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hurhur actually this whole thing is getting quite funny... hehehehehheehe
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What? We've finally got some humour? Say it ain't so!
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i can't believe this topic actually warrants so much effort...