Is Singapore Getting Overpopulated?
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/me puts up hand shyly...Originally posted by Coquitlam:Hmmm....
Yup....Singapore is indeed getting squeezed..I feel like I'm in a can of sardines here. having to find my own little space to relax and what nought have you. Glad I got only one more year here before I go to the wide open spaces.
Sighz, gonna miss all the food here but hey there's gonna be more cosmopiltan food for me over there.
Anyone else going off????
Where are you heading to, btw?
And, welcome to Club 30!
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Our MRT is experiencing more and more problems, taxes keep going up and all they can do is still run on old carraiges.?Originally posted by charlize:The transport system here looks like breaking soon.
Already there is over crowding during peak periods and frequent breakdowns and delays happening.
I dread to think what will happen in 10 years time when the population keeps increasing.
Resources and land is finite in Singapore.
I don't care how much land you can reclaim from the sea. Singapore is surrounded by Malayisa and Indonesia and there is only so much you can reclaim.
There has to be a shift from government funding from salaries to infrastructural maintenance.
Doesn't anyone notice that the roads, the grass and the landscaping were so much better in the mid 90s?Now everything seems to be falling apart or of lower quality.
The golden age of Singapore = 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 -
After graduation.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Hmmm....
Yup....Singapore is indeed getting squeezed..I feel like I'm in a can of sardines here. having to find my own little space to relax and what nought have you. Glad I got only one more year here before I go to the wide open spaces.
Sighz, gonna miss all the food here but hey there's gonna be more cosmopiltan food for me over there.
Anyone else going off????
Very likely to be moving to Fremantle/Perth...if situations permit. -
You can find that in every major city in the worldOriginally posted by strikefreedom:Dun be suprise if you find the train in melbourne insanely pack or super heavy traffic congestion too during peak hour. also have fun looking for parking space especially in city area if you going to park there during peak hour. Lots of people during rush hour in buses/trains/ferries, and traffic jams too.
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Sigh...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Our MRT is experiencing more and more problems, taxes keep going up and all they can do is still run on old carraiges.?
There has to be a shift from government funding from salaries to infrastructural maintenance.
Doesn't anyone notice that the roads, the grass and the landscaping were so much better in the mid 90s?Now everything seems to be falling apart or of lower quality.
The golden age of Singapore = 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
I absolutely hate taking the MRT and if there's a bus to my destination, I'd much rather take the bus!
Don't know why, but a few years back, you could take the MRT on an off-peak period, and it'll be pretty empty. These days, there are more people on board during off-peak times. Why? Are there THAT many unemployed peeps nowadays?
Really do wonder why it is so (people milling about during off-peak times).
And LazerLordz, I do agree with you that our golden era has passed.
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forget about all those things..
you know what the rationale is behind the increasing of the population?
the same thing is going on in Russia right now..
"the population cannot support the economy"
uhh.. hello??? what's going on?? the economy is more important the the people???
well, hey.. there has been many theories out there.. all of them dead wrong.. i think somewhere along the line, someone forgot to figure things out like "we are human.. we are people"
the stupidity of "the greying population" never ceases to amaze me... how stupid can the idiots who make policy get?? they never realised that if they increase the current population of "young people" now to "support the greying population", where are these young people going to go?
mass suicide when they reach the age to be senior citizens?
then what next? increase some more?
i guess they have not figured out that in a closed system like Planet Earth, there is a certain plateau which we will eventually reach... just like at work, we can only reach a certain amount of productivity...
so, once we reach that peak, the only way is mass die-out... it has happened with animal populations in a closed environment like islands where they overpopulate and suddenly all die because of starvation...
we are heading towards the same destination.. and the morons who hold the power have thrown away the brakes in order to get more speed.. -
It's the opposite today, the bus is definitely a better form of transport.But then again, take a look at 2pm on a weekday, it's not schoolkids milling around, its middle aged adults.Originally posted by Rhonda:Sigh...
I absolutely hate taking the MRT and if there's a bus to my destination, I'd much rather take the bus!
Don't know why, but a few years back, you could take the MRT on an off-peak period, and it'll be pretty empty. These days, there are more people on board during off-peak times. Why? Are there THAT many unemployed peeps nowadays? Really do wonder why it is so (people milling about during off-peak times).
And LazerLordz, I do agree with you that our golden era has passed.
There is definitely something the ST is not saying.The unemployment stats look worse than the papers' words.Everywhere you go, you see people in their 40s and 50s walking around, many looking aimless, others sitting and griping about life.
If this is a transition to a more global society, it's not well managed enough.We are 52 by 30km in size, surely those head honchos paid millions can do something about it instead of using template answers.
But I must say this, if you belong to the top 15% of the income bracket, Singapore is a really good place to live, eat, work and play.Because you are not affected by the deflating market that is afflicting the lower-middle and the aging post-war boomers. -
It's always been about the economy, which is why so many want to reach the top, in the hope that they will escape the grind of being in the working class.Originally posted by the Bear:forget about all those things..
you know what the rationale is behind the increasing of the population?
the same thing is going on in Russia right now..
"the population cannot support the economy"
uhh.. hello??? what's going on?? the economy is more important the the people???
well, hey.. there has been many theories out there.. all of them dead wrong.. i think somewhere along the line, someone forgot to figure things out like "we are human.. we are people"
the stupidity of "the greying population" never ceases to amaze me... how stupid can the idiots who make policy get?? they never realised that if they increase the current population of "young people" now to "support the greying population", where are these young people going to go?
mass suicide when they reach the age to be senior citizens?
then what next? increase some more?
i guess they have not figured out that in a closed system like Planet Earth, there is a certain plateau which we will eventually reach... just like at work, we can only reach a certain amount of productivity...
so, once we reach that peak, the only way is mass die-out... it has happened with animal populations in a closed environment like islands where they overpopulate and suddenly all die because of starvation...
we are heading towards the same destination.. and the morons who hold the power have thrown away the brakes in order to get more speed..
You can see it everyday.
Oh and all the talk of off-world expansion is near to useless if we can't even get to the moon today.Perhaps the mass die-off is quite a realistic scenario.Because you and I know there won't be any cargo ships to Mars with Insta-Oxygen® -
Say, after reading all this, I feel kinda blessed I'm living in Sydney! Despite things being more expensive (i.e. houses), we still get a good quality of life & it's not so crowded here. Can even go to the beach, not much problem finding parking, and it's free some more. FREEDOM FROM THE TRAFFIC WARDENS!
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Hi Rhonda & Lazer
Plsed to meet you both..hehehe....now me got to balek kampung and ask you guys...what is Club 30??
Rhonda....me going to the land of the Maple Leaf..hehe anyone going my way?
I feel so claustrophobic here...sheeesh, can hardly breathe. Everything is so superficial here, no wonder I have become so cynical the past couple of years...
Where you all headed to...Anyone wants to see some real open spaces? -
they do not know of the overcrowding because they eat at their huge homes, served by maids...
or they wander over to the country clubs, driven there by drivers while they read their financial times in the back seats..
or go to exclusive clubs where only members are admitted...
they won't have a clue...Originally posted by LazerLordz:If this is a transition to a more global society, it's not well managed enough.We are 52 by 30km in size, surely those head honchos paid millions can do something about it instead of using template answers. -
I said it unfair is becos this problem exist in almost any countries and it not a problem that can be solve so easily. And since coming back from Australia, i think Singpore is in a better situation then what i have encounter back in melbourne.Originally posted by Rhonda:strikefreedom, you said this ...
"So i am not trying to say migrating to Australia is bad or what. just that i feel it a pretty unfair statement to be made abt singapore transportation situation that all."
Just because our local public transport system MAY be better when compared to other countries, does not put it above blame. Being better than the worst, does not make it better per se.
And no, it is not an 'unfair statement' because, btw, did you read the posts of everyone else in here who takes public transport to work or to everywhere else on a daily basis?
Out of curiosity, do you even take public transport? If so, how often?
Yes i do take public transport and 100% of the time since i don't own any car in singapore. Same as while i am in melbourne. so i think i have the right to argue that as i have experience both the system myself. -
the prime motivation for many Singaporeans.Originally posted by the Bear:they do not know of the overcrowding because they eat at their huge homes, served by maids...
or they wander over to the country clubs, driven there by drivers while they read their financial times in the back seats..
or go to exclusive clubs where only members are admitted...
they won't have a clue...
also equates to a rise in selfish attitudes and a sense of unwelcome adventurism on the basis of social backstabbing.
and this will cause our downfall, really.
it all starts with the kids, but we are fighting a behemoth which doesn't know that the direction is wrong, and yet the riders continue to urge it forward. -
Yes precisely that what i am trying to point out to rhonda, traffic condition are very bad during peak hour in every major city in the world.Originally posted by SydneyLibrarian:You can find that in every major city in the world Lots of people during rush hour in buses/trains/ferries, and traffic jams too.
But go into the suburbs & you'll be able to find parking no problem at all
yes suburbs can find parking more easily as they are more of a residential area. but places like city are crowded with vehicles and 80-90% of them are own by ppl working in the city so it pretty hard to find a parking space there. -
this is true.Originally posted by strikefreedom:Yes precisely that what i am trying to point out to rhonda, traffic condition are very bad during peak hour in every major city in the world.
yes suburbs can find parking more easily as they are more of a residential area. but places like city are crowded with vehicles and 80-90% of them are own by ppl working in the city so it pretty hard to find a parking space there.
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Singapore was over populated long time ago.
I think the government's thinking is that, with more people, they can make more money, and it will be good for the economy. Maybe one of them will be a Sim Wong Hoo, and it will be really fortunated.
Quantity vs Quality.
Obviously they have choosen quantity over quality. -
Yes, those milling about during office hours aren't schoolkids... you see adults of all ages.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's the opposite today, the bus is definitely a better form of transport.But then again, take a look at 2pm on a weekday, it's not schoolkids milling around, its middle aged adults.
There is definitely something the ST is not saying.The unemployment stats look worse than the papers' words.Everywhere you go, you see people in their 40s and 50s walking around, many looking aimless, others sitting and griping about life.
If this is a transition to a more global society, it's not well managed enough.We are 52 by 30km in size, surely those head honchos paid millions can do something about it instead of using template answers.
But I must say this, if you belong to the top 15% of the income bracket, Singapore is a really good place to live, eat, work and play.Because you are not affected by the deflating market that is afflicting the lower-middle and the aging post-war boomers.
I'm one of those milling about but I'm in between jobs and when I had a job, I worked shifts. I'm sure others are in the same situation as me but it's just that over the years, there are simply more and more milling about and I find it pretty disturbing cause it might mean one thing - unemployment.
LazerLordz, I hope they aren't bluffing about the figures, cause 60,000 unemployed is a huge number!! Staggering!! And if they're 'cushioning' the real figures, it means that there are much more out there who are truly unemployed!!
Even amongst the employed, look at how many are going through the quarter-life crisis? That's disturbing!! That means that the stress the young working adults are subject to these days is so bad that they burn out before they are anywhere close to their 30's! How can we sustain a productive economy like that? When all over, you see young adults burning out, or caught in a rat-race desperately running in that hamster-wheel all cause they have to meet monthly house payments, car payments, childrens' allowances and what-not and... thanks to the greying population and the ability of modern meds to keep people alive longer, parents allowances, medical fees, maid fees to take care of the ageing parents / nursing home fees?
I cannot imagine getting married and having my own family when I have my parents to take care of already! One of my colleagues is only in her early 20's, just started work as a nurse for less than 2 years, and is struggling already cause her dad is down with an illness, her mom too, and she has suddenly become the sole breadwinner! Worse, the parents have exhausted their own CPF already and she's paying for their medical care with her own measly CPF. She cried one day when she asked me, "How am I ever going to get married and have my own family like that?" -
the singapore public transport system is really one of the best in the world!
however, it kinda sucks when i gotta miss a couple of trains in order to actually get into a train
melbourne public transport system sucked when i was there for 3 years.. they kept going on strike and when they weren't, there were missing trains, and hour-long waits for trams
oh well..
i'd say singapore... it's not about the infrastructure we put in.. it's about the sheer number of people we have packed inOriginally posted by strikefreedom:I said it unfair is becos this problem exist in almost any countries and it not a problem that can be solve so easily. And since coming back from Australia, i think Singpore is in a better situation then what i have encounter back in melbourne.
Yes i do take public transport and 100% of the time since i don't own any car in singapore. Same as while i am in melbourne. so i think i have the right to argue that as i have experience both the system myself. -
Don't we sound like NY or Tokyo?When you walk around Tokyo at night, you see so many homeless folks, sometimes whole families on the quayside.I was there in 2002, it was terrible I tell you.Originally posted by Rhonda:Yes, those milling about during office hours aren't schoolkids... you see adults of all ages.
I'm one of those milling about but I'm in between jobs and when I had a job, I worked shifts. I'm sure others are in the same situation as me but it's just that over the years, there are simply more and more milling about and I find it pretty disturbing cause it might mean one thing - unemployment.
LazerLordz, I hope they aren't bluffing about the figures, cause 60,000 unemployed is a huge number!! Staggering!! And if they're 'cushioning' the real figures, it means that there are much more out there who are truly unemployed!!
Even amongst the employed, look at how many are going through the quarter-life crisis? That's disturbing!! That means that the stress the young working adults are subject to these days is so bad that they burn out before they are anywhere close to their 30's! How can we sustain a productive economy like that? When all over, you see young adults burning out, or caught in a rat-race desperately running in that hamster-wheel all cause they have to meet monthly house payments, car payments, childrens' allowances and what-not and... thanks to the greying population and the ability of modern meds to keep people alive longer, parents allowances, medical fees, maid fees to take care of the ageing parents / nursing home fees?
I cannot imagine getting married and having my own family when I have my parents to take care of already! One of my colleagues is only in her early 20's, just started work as a nurse for less than 2 years, and is struggling already cause her dad is down with an illness, her mom too, and she has suddenly become the sole breadwinner! Worse, the parents have exhausted their own CPF already and she's paying for their medical care with her own measly CPF. She cried one day when she asked me, "How am I ever going to get married and have my own family like that?"
Your example of your colleague is sad to say, quite common these days.My parents are in their early 50s, and the thought of this has crossed my mine and I'm only still a freshman.
Sometimes, migration is not a privilege, but I will do so, if it means my folks can retire comfortably abroad, and in decency, not under the Singapore system.No folks of mine are going to work in McDonalds at 70 if I can help it.They should be going for walks, touring the world etc, not slaving away or sitting mindlessly at the void deck. -
OK, at least you're not one of those earning peanuts who don't get to take public transport and comment on it.Originally posted by strikefreedom:I said it unfair is becos this problem exist in almost any countries and it not a problem that can be solve so easily. And since coming back from Australia, i think Singpore is in a better situation then what i have encounter back in melbourne.
Yes i do take public transport and 100% of the time since i don't own any car in singapore. Same as while i am in melbourne. so i think i have the right to argue that as i have experience both the system myself.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but sadly, as you can see from various posts in here, you're one of the rare few who are not frustrated with the local transport system. Well, to each his own.
Oddly enough, you're the only one I know of who lived in Melbourne and actually complains about the public transport there. I have more than 10 friends living there now and not a peep from them.
Ah well, one's man meat is another man's poison. -
because we are complainers...
the melbourne met sucked 10 years ago.. probably sucks now tooOriginally posted by Rhonda:OK, at least you're not one of those earning peanuts who don't get to take public transport and comment on it.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but sadly, as you can see from various posts in here, you're one of the rare few who are not frustrated with the local transport system. Well, to each his own.
Oddly enough, you're the only one I know of who lived in Melbourne and actually complains about the public transport there. I have more than 10 friends living there now and not a peep from them.
Ah well, one's man meat is another man's poison. -
Did I ever say that peak hour traffic is a breeze in other countries??Originally posted by strikefreedom:Yes precisely that what i am trying to point out to rhonda, traffic condition are very bad during peak hour in every major city in the world.
yes suburbs can find parking more easily as they are more of a residential area. but places like city are crowded with vehicles and 80-90% of them are own by ppl working in the city so it pretty hard to find a parking space there.
Please do not assume that because I complain about the public transport here and I'm leaving for a different country, it means that I'm leaving for that country because of the public transport here, ok!
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Melbourne MET is on the process of changing all the train to a better one, but common things like littering all over the train is still there.Originally posted by the Bear:because we are complainers...
the melbourne met sucked 10 years ago.. probably sucks now too
And the crowd during peak hour is defintely not getting better as more n more ppl park their car near the train station and get to work using the train system since it faster and won't encounter peak traffic hour jam. -
I'd better live near my workplace and walk to work!Originally posted by the Bear:because we are complainers...
the melbourne met sucked 10 years ago.. probably sucks now too -
Anyway, now with the current population, increasing train frequency to 1 train/min wouldn't help reduce congestion also. Since the trains are coming in so frequently, people will think that they can get on the train easily and go out later (working hours).
It's economics.