Club 30's "Kill the Boredom Demon" Jive Pad, 31st Edition
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In government eyes, having foreign talent is desirable. To a certain extent, I actually agree with them.
If you were the government, and you are faced with severely declining birth rate, you critically need to think of maintaining the workforce. One solution (medium sighted, not short at least) is to attract foreign talent.
However, this can only mitigate the problem over the medium/long term. In consideration of the longer term, this might worsen the problem. -
convince some company that you are like Anthony Bourdain... get paid to travel the world and eat while sprouting nonsensical subversive stuff
Originally posted by av98m:Actually, I woke up this morning and asked myself why, why do I need to work. Why can't I pull off some big crime and escape to the Carribean Islands with millions and spend the rest of my life at the beach under the coconut tree on the hammock with those drinks with umbrellas in them
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I like it. AV, the travelling glutton, insect photographer and buddybuilder, coming soon to the travel and living channelOriginally posted by the Bear:convince some company that you are like Anthony Bourdain... get paid to travel the world and eat while sprouting nonsensical subversive stuff -
should we be fixing the root causes, or fixing the symptoms ? ....Originally posted by pwnz0r:In government eyes, having foreign talent is desirable. To a certain extent, I actually agree with them.
If you were the government, and you are faced with severely declining birth rate, you critically need to think of maintaining the workforce. One solution (medium sighted, not short at least) is to attract foreign talent.
However, this can only mitigate the problem over the medium/long term. In consideration of the longer term, this might worsen the problem.
don't you think that the "solution" is making things worse ? .... -
the 'solution' is a temporary band-aid, while the infection in the wound continues to spread.Originally posted by Fatum:should we be fixing the root causes, or fixing the symptoms ? ....
don't you think that the "solution" is making things worse ? ....
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yea itz like that one lor. and esp if the other side is super un-cooperative.Originally posted by tare:as long as u no take MC, why not?
last nite had a stupid dream abt someone... and then woke up by the neighbor's baby who cries at 5am NON-STOP! i almost wanna yell ur nick downstairs sia
then tis morn talk to my agt and realised thr's a form to sign b4 i can sell the flat... and i can't even get his statement for the past 3mths! how to get him to sign a stupid form?!
i hate these shits..................
sigh i am so vexed over the interviews man.. -
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Would there be system glitch for filing? Last yr we all know si gina was involved in helping out -
I think the long term solution would never comeOriginally posted by av98m:the 'solution' is a temporary band-aid, while the infection in the wound continues to spread.
See Baby bonus, birth rate still low, no more further incentive (ok I'm not just saying in monetary term)... Instead say go get more FT -
exactly ....Originally posted by av98m:the 'solution' is a temporary band-aid, while the infection in the wound continues to spread.
we're just hollowing out the country and replacing them with people who don't have, nor feel, a stake in this land ... -
sorry.. the need to increase the population is based on a flawed economic theory where there is no limit to resources, no price paid for pollution, nothing taken into account if people are held in battery hen conditions or not..
in fact, there was a report saying that the decrease of the population is a natural state for developed nations..
so why the pathological and unthinking need to increase it?Originally posted by pwnz0r:In government eyes, having foreign talent is desirable. To a certain extent, I actually agree with them.
If you were the government, and you are faced with severely declining birth rate, you critically need to think of maintaining the workforce. One solution (medium sighted, not short at least) is to attract foreign talent.
However, this can only mitigate the problem over the medium/long term. In consideration of the longer term, this might worsen the problem. -
u call tat a solution??!! *scratch head*Originally posted by Fatum:should we be fixing the root causes, or fixing the symptoms ? ....
don't you think that the "solution" is making things worse ? ....
the island is swamped with foreigners... do we actually need TAT many? and most are blue collar workers, is tat considered as foreign talents?
the rate the cost of living [not the standard of living] is going, issit even realistic tat they expect its citizens to give birth the rate they do 30 yrs ago? then u can get a bowl of mee with 20cents, now it cost min. $2 lor
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not to mention that the place is already so packed...
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To talk abt 6.5m populationOriginally posted by hisoka:not to mention that the place is already so packed... -
kekekeke .... 6.5 million ....Originally posted by hisoka:not to mention that the place is already so packed...
people will be so squashed together there'll be knifings and street brawls every single day ...
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That's one of the reasons why I crawl in the bushes with my camera. Get away from people and crowded places. >.<
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You must understand that while they try to tweak and finetune a long term solution, they must have a medium term solution in place to mitigate nearer effects.
To actually wait and see if longer term solution actually works might throw Singapore into a tailspin. You need something in the meantime to fill in gaps as and when they occur. Foreign import of talents can be managed and measured and adjusted on a year-to-year basis. The Australian system is one that can be considered and a good example.
Any situation regarding birth rates takes a long long time to tweak and figure out. Our government is always extremely cautious towards anything regarded as social welfare (many say too conservative, but you can never accurately measure).
Actually, what Singapore is facing is nothing new. There were many studies showing the correlation of developed countries against birth rates. Typically, the higher the standard (and cost) of living, then birth rates would suffer. This is observed across many parts of Europe, Japan and parts of America.
There is no true solution. This is a social cost that typically comes with a higher standard of living. I haven't seen any recent studies, what I have noted previously is at least 5 years old. -
Yes, we need such foreign blue collar workers that are much cheaper. If the government only allows Singaporean blue collar workers, our competitiveness (which is already badly hit over the past 10 years) will simply decline between 20-30%. You will see such a effect cascade into our growth, ultimately our GDP and our incomes.Originally posted by tare:u call tat a solution??!! *scratch head*
the island is swamped with foreigners... do we actually need TAT many? and most are blue collar workers, is tat considered as foreign talents?
the rate the cost of living [not the standard of living] is going, issit even realistic tat they expect its citizens to give birth the rate they do 30 yrs ago? then u can get a bowl of mee with 20cents, now it cost min. $2 lor
It is hard to generalise and easy to complain, but the issues are never easy. There is certainly no true 'equilibrium' level that can satisfy and accurately measure. -
rape tooOriginally posted by Fatum:kekekeke .... 6.5 million ....
people will be so squashed together there'll be knifings and street brawls every single day ... 
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dun say until liddat leh....I'm still in SingaporeOriginally posted by Fatum:kekekeke .... 6.5 million ....
people will be so squashed together there'll be knifings and street brawls every single day ...
whoever thought 6.5 million population is a great idea obviously does not take public transport -
Originally posted by laurence82:rape too
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You have to take a step backwards to properly understand why developed nations suffer from a decrease in population. This is not desirable but a phenomena that cannot be controlled.Originally posted by the Bear:sorry.. the need to increase the population is based on a flawed economic theory where there is no limit to resources, no price paid for pollution, nothing taken into account if people are held in battery hen conditions or not..
in fact, there was a report saying that the decrease of the population is a natural state for developed nations..
so why the pathological and unthinking need to increase it?
This is simply a strong relation between population growth rates and standard of living. Many studies have been done to show this, and many countries have attempted to introduce 'baby bonus' to try to combat this. However, these are only marginally effective.
We're not talking about a one time population decrease, but a declining population. We're afraid of an increasingly shrinking working population to support a growing aged population.
It is hard to imagine for productivity growth to increase indefinitely to 'cover' up the decline attributed to population. We're not even talking about GDP growth, but just to maintain GDP year on year. A shrinking population is what every government is worried about.
It is true that you expect to see diminishing returns on GDP when population growth is too high. However, we need to see at least a renewal on the workforce to support our current GDP levels. -
i did not deny the fact we need them... i'm just qnsing do we need TAT many of them...Originally posted by pwnz0r:Yes, we need such foreign blue collar workers that are much cheaper. If the government only allows Singaporean blue collar workers, our competitiveness (which is already badly hit over the past 10 years) will simply decline between 20-30%. You will see such a effect cascade into our growth, ultimately our GDP and our incomes.
It is hard to generalise and easy to complain, but the issues are never easy. There is certainly no true 'equilibrium' level that can satisfy and accurately measure. -
Companies employ as per capacity requirements. You hardly imagine they would overemploy staff as this would ultimately affect their bottomline. Why would they hire excess staff that eats their profits?Originally posted by tare:i did not deny the fact we need them... i'm just qnsing do we need TAT many of them...
Knowing how some MNCs operate, they will be totally glad and willing to hire 100% blue collar workers to support their capacity requirements. -
and I'm still a Singaporean ....Originally posted by av98m:dun say until liddat leh....I'm still in Singapore
whoever thought 6.5 million population is a great idea obviously does not take public transport
but seriously ... people ever wonder why everyone on the streets is so quarrelsome now, so short-fused, so combative ? ....
studies with battery chickens have shown that over-crowding leads to extreme aggression in chickens, that's why battery chickens have their beaks clipped .... to prevent them from pecking each other to death ....
you want to squeeze 6.5 million people into a place that's even smaller than hong kong ..... any wonder why it's so stressful living in Singapore ? ... -
and it's not helping tat i'm mildly claustrophobicOriginally posted by Fatum:you want to squeeze 6.5 million people into a place that's even smaller than hong kong ..... any wonder why it's so stressful living in Singapore ? ...