I doubt this will deter those pushing the biofuel industry
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Alternative fuels may boost pollution: report
Tue Nov 13, 4:25 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Some alternative vehicle fuels such as liquid coal can cause more harmful greenhouse gas emissions than polluters such as petrol or diesel, scientists warned in a US study released Tuesday.
"Liquid coal, for example, can produce 80 percent more global warming pollution than gasoline," said the Union of Concerned Scientists, a non-profit environmental group, in a statement introducing its study.
Liquid coal is viewed as a potential replacement to the oil on which countries rely heavily to fuel vehicles.
"Corn ethanol, conversely, could be either more polluting or less than gasoline depending on how the corn is grown and the ethanol is produced," the report said.
The analysis was based on replacing a fifth of all gasoline consumed in the United States with alternative fuels by 2030.
If most of these alternatives consist of liquid coal, the change could pump pollution into the atmosphere equivalent to 34 million more cars on the road. Favoring cleaner "advanced biofuels," on the other hand, could cut harmful gases by a similar amount.
The cleanest alternative, the report said, is cellulosic ethanol, made from grass or wood chips -- it could cut emissions by more than 85 percent.
"We need to wean ourselves off oil, but we should replace it with the cleanest alternatives possible," said the author of the study, Patricia Monahan, in the report. "Let's not trade one bad habit for another."
Souce: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071113/sc_afp/usenergyenvironment -
uhh.. no one eats and the amount of biofuels produced can only feed about 20% of the world fuel needs...
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Go tell that to the investors coz it is coz of biofuels that our food prices are going crazyOriginally posted by the Bear:uhh.. no one eats and the amount of biofuels produced can only feed about 20% of the world fuel needs...
so, is biofuel the answer?
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I thought world governments impose a quota on the amount of corn/sugar canes supplied to biofuel plants?Originally posted by elindra:Go tell that to the investors coz it is coz of biofuels that our food prices are going crazy -
if so, why is it a lot of people can't afford to buy food now?
thing is, biofuels suck...Originally posted by shade343:I thought world governments impose a quota on the amount of corn/sugar canes supplied to biofuel plants? -
I remember an article in the NYT about the palm oil craze in europe, and how Indonesia is spreading her ass wide for this ...
we all know the effects every year when they start burning land of course ... -
If there is, there will not be talks about clearing the Amazon forest to plant soybeansOriginally posted by shade343:I thought world governments impose a quota on the amount of corn/sugar canes supplied to biofuel plants? -
Can be more specific a not? Liquid coal is so a general term.
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Sure wish the powers-that-be went for this instead of food sources
Originally posted by elindra:
[b]Alternative fuels may boost pollution: report
The cleanest alternative, the report said, is cellulosic ethanol, made from grass or wood chips -- it could cut emissions by more than 85 percent.
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Everyone has an answer to the situation with the motive to get rich at the expense of the environment.
Well, maybe club 30 should organize outing to plant trees and clear rubbish and then makan day. -
we could end up being arrested..
just like this dude => Arrested and cited for cleaning up beachOriginally posted by mistyblue:Everyone has an answer to the situation with the motive to get rich at the expense of the environment.
Well, maybe club 30 should organize outing to plant trees and clear rubbish and then makan day. -
Its not gonna stop my company or me in pursuing biofuel. Cause thats where the money is at . But i have to admit that its gonna create monoculture over here.
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Of course that is where the money isOriginally posted by BadzMaro:Its not gonna stop my company or me in pursuing biofuel. Cause thats where the money is at . But i have to admit that its gonna create monoculture over here.
The CBOT is already crazy
The increase in food prices are already way overdue here in Singapore
It should have happened last year and not now -
lol.. way overdue in SG eh... i thought its a good thing.Originally posted by elindra:Of course that is where the money is
The CBOT is already crazy
The increase in food prices are already way overdue here in Singapore
It should have happened last year and not now
CBOT states prices agriculture all going up.
Demand increase but not enough supply. Everybody converting to Soy , Corn etc...
Where's the wheat!! Not enough wheat in the future! -
If you believe it is the right thing to do, do it anyways.Originally posted by the Bear: -
It is a good thing for the consumers not the manufacturers coz they also have increases in energy etc etcOriginally posted by BadzMaro:lol.. way overdue in SG eh... i thought its a good thing. CBOT states prices agriculture all going up.
Demand increase but not enough supply. Everybody converting to Soy , Corn etc...
Where's the wheat!! Not enough wheat in the future!
Corn and Soy is where the money is ma
Wheat is a controlled commodity so maybe the farmers don't think it is a lucrative as Corn and Soy
Especially corn coz of Ethanol and even world soy production has been reduced coz of corn -
yeah..
so.. how do we combat this?Originally posted by mistyblue:If you believe it is the right thing to do, do it anyways. -
thats why ma.. thats where the problem is... even china is losing its wheat production beacause of development n land acquisition on fertile lands.Originally posted by elindra:It is a good thing for the consumers not the manufacturers coz they also have increases in energy etc etc
Corn and Soy is where the money is ma
Wheat is a controlled commodity so maybe the farmers don't think it is a lucrative as Corn and Soy
Especially corn coz of Ethanol and even world soy production has been reduced coz of corn
So.. meaning.. more pollution , less food , more money. hmmm.... dun say corn ah.. palm oil also. Ppl chiong palm oil until becomes monoculture . -
Well if the food sources are kena burnt up. Maybe it's time humans tried looking for other food sources. Grass, anyone?
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mmmm... but but but... smoking grass only gives people the munchies
Originally posted by choco B:Well if the food sources are kena burnt up. Maybe it's time humans tried looking for other food sources. Grass, anyone? -
Not to mention bad weather due to global warming and the crop yields ain't that greatOriginally posted by BadzMaro:thats why ma.. thats where the problem is... even china is losing its wheat production beacause of development n land acquisition on fertile lands.
So.. meaning.. more pollution , less food , more money. hmmm.... dun say corn ah.. palm oil also. Ppl chiong palm oil until becomes monoculture .
I pay more attention to corn and soybeans coz of my job la
I do pay attention to palm but not that much as not high up there
But ya palm is a monoculture and it's really closer to us -_-" -
LOL seriously though, maybe WE have to change to fit the economy.
Everything is edible if boiled long enough
Or maybe those 70's Tomorrow-World visions are coming true - our future is in eating complete-meal capsules with accompanying scents so that we can still enjoy the aesthetics of eating... scent of prime rib, scent of char kuay teow and all thatOriginally posted by the Bear:mmmm... but but but... smoking grass only gives people the munchies