Preparations for Circle Line Stage 6
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Will Kawasaki be able to build the driverless train if they are chosen by LTA or SMRT to manufacture driverless train for future MRT line? Can Kawasaki do customized technical configuration of train to be running on driverless MRT line?Originally posted by ^tamago^:well, since they are using different systems. for SMRT, buying siemens seemed like a mistake. it was loud, and had certain incompatibility issues from wat i observe. going back to KHI was probably best.
for alstom, they have a proven record in singapore of delivering turnkey solutions for driverless metro, as seen from NEL. and they had to do everything from control interfaces to signalling to trains. -
'Cos it's automatic?Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:if its like that, why isit that new trains are purchased from Alstom instead of Kawasaki? i think the Kawasaki ones, especially SMRT's 3rd gens are the best... its quite smooth and silent too...
3G trains once had gearbox problems you know? ~.~ -
they ironed out the gearbox problems for 3G long ago what...
besides all they have to do is to come out with a programme for doors opening and closing right? and the max proximity of 500m sensor...
the rest of the stuff is auto already what... and also the new system has better PSDs that shut properly cos it works on electricity compared to air pressure on the old system... thus the auto pilot wont have much problems on the PSDs...
what else more complex stuff is there that Alstom has and Kawasaki dont? -
besides... adding on to that, SMRT trains were initially planned to go fully auto by 2005... until stupid suicides started occuring...
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Actually, for the CCL station pictures.... The first one seems to be a stage 2 station layout but the second and third seem to be a stage 3 station layout. The news really said its Dakota?
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i've look at the pic quite closely... and i can safely say its Dakota (former Tanjong Katong) station.Originally posted by Novawin™:
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/index_proj_ccl.htm
take a look at Dakota and Mountbatten stations... the ceiling is similar to that of the pic..., only that in Dakota the escalator layout different...
and stage 2 designs are quite similar to stage 3 which are very NEL-like... or rather... Hougang and Kovan-like. -
and come to think of it... if u look at the design Macpherson has... it looks like a double platform level, perpendicular to each other... wondering if that has anything to do with the future DTL3 station box... if it is then
1. they planned Macpherson to interchange DTL3 damn early
2. the DTL3 station should have a layout similar to Braddell... -
Yeah, DTL3 use side platform while CCL use conventional platform.Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:2. the DTL3 station should have a layout similar to Braddell...
Yellow arrow -> CCL
Blue arrow -> DTL
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The Programme used for NEL PSDs can actually "kiap" people...Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:they ironed out the gearbox problems for 3G long ago what...
besides all they have to do is to come out with a programme for doors opening and closing right? and the max proximity of 500m sensor...
the rest of the stuff is auto already what... and also the new system has better PSDs that shut properly cos it works on electricity compared to air pressure on the old system... thus the auto pilot wont have much problems on the PSDs...
what else more complex stuff is there that Alstom has and Kawasaki dont?
Their doors are programmed to close immediately after the "Door Closing"... so anyone that tries to rush in may get "kiapped"...
Contrary to that, SMRT has drivers that looks out for rushing passengers before closing their doors... it ensures safety...
Yeah SMRT's system is half-auto... but they can change the system anytime when it rains.
SBST = Fully Auto
SMRT = Auto & Non-Auto
So which one more complex? o_O -
NEL PSDs actually has a sensor that detects objects in between the doors before closing.Originally posted by Oceane:The Programme used for NEL PSDs can actually "kiap" people...
Their doors are programmed to close immediately after the "Door Closing"... so anyone that tries to rush in may get "kiapped"...
Contrary to that, SMRT has drivers that looks out for rushing passengers before closing their doors... it ensures safety...
Yeah SMRT's system is half-auto... but they can change the system anytime when it rains.
SBST = Fully Auto
SMRT = Auto & Non-Auto
So which one more complex? o_O
SMRT drives on automatic, similar to NEL, however SMRT lines uses fixed block signalling, thus it is not as efficient as the NEL. The SMRT TO is there to ensure that the system is functioning correctly and to control the doors with the help of monitors as well.
If needed, OCC will allow the TO to drive in CM, with a speed limit of 60kmh and ATP. -
actually i was thinking this looks more like stage 3 stations. compare the stage 2 artist impression with the stage 3 one. the ceiling looks more like stage 3. besides, the arrangement of the escalator with 2 escalators and 1 staircase in between looks more like stage 3.Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:i've look at the pic quite closely... and i can safely say its Dakota (former Tanjong Katong) station.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/index_proj_ccl.htm
take a look at Dakota and Mountbatten stations... the ceiling is similar to that of the pic..., only that in Dakota the escalator layout different...
and stage 2 designs are quite similar to stage 3 which are very NEL-like... or rather... Hougang and Kovan-like. -
No lor that time I saw someone who wanted to rush into a NEL train and poor him got stuck by the doors... luckily the doors re-opened. o_OOriginally posted by EXCO:NEL PSDs actually has a sensor that detects objects in between the doors before closing.
SMRT drives on automatic, similar to NEL, however SMRT lines uses fixed block signalling, thus it is not as efficient as the NEL. The SMRT TO is there to ensure that the system is functioning correctly and to control the doors with the help of monitors as well.
If needed, OCC will allow the TO to drive in CM, with a speed limit of 60kmh and ATP. -
Sorry for my mistake I made. I mentioned earlier that the station in second and third picture is Dakota station. But this is incorrect. Sorry for causing confusion.
Actually, I heard this wrongly when watching the TV news. So I went back and re-checked this. The increase in cost of sands and granite has impacted on the contractor constructing Dakota, Mountbatten and Nicoll Highway station. Nevertheless, the contractor is still working closely with LTA to keep the construction of Dakota station going on.
Only 4 stations (Dhoby Ghaut, Bras Basah, Esplanade and Promenade) are completed and will be handed to SMRT at end of this year. So right now, 10 stations are currently in fitting-up work phase. They are Stadium, MacPherson, Tai Seng, Bartley, Serangoon, Lorong Chuan, Bishan, Marymount, one-north and HarbourFront.
So I think the first picture is Tai Seng station.
And then the station in second and third picture is indeed Stage 3 station.
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From Channel 8 news
From LTA website
Confirmed this is Stage 3 station. -
The stage 2 station shown is Tai Seng. MacPherson has 2 sets of escalators going down to the CCL platform as shown in the floor plans of the station.
The stage 3 station is hard to identify. It can be any of the stations on the line except Bishan which is different from the other 4 stations apparently (according to renderings on LTA's website).
Floor plans
Stage 2
MacPherson (MPH)
Tai Seng (formerly UPL)
Stage 3
Bartley (BLY)
Lorong Chuan (LRC)
Marymount (MRM)
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Originally posted by DMC05:The stage 2 station shown is Tai Seng. MacPherson has 2 sets of escalators going down to the CCL platform as shown in the floor plans of the station.
The stage 3 station is hard to identify. It can be any of the stations on the line except Bishan which is different from the other 4 stations apparently (according to renderings on LTA's website).
Floor plans
Stage 2
MacPherson (MPH)
Tai Seng (formerly UPL)
Stage 3
Bartley (BLY)
Lorong Chuan (LRC)
Marymount (MRM) -
More station floor plans.
Mountbatten (formerly OAR)
Dakota (formerly Tanjong Katong)
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thanks for the pics, but where did u get them? i can't find them on LTA's site.Originally posted by DMC05:More station floor plans.
Mountbatten (formerly OAR)
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from what you're telling me... u sound as if the SMRT system is more complex... haha.Originally posted by Oceane:The Programme used for NEL PSDs can actually "kiap" people...
Their doors are programmed to close immediately after the "Door Closing"... so anyone that tries to rush in may get "kiapped"...
Contrary to that, SMRT has drivers that looks out for rushing passengers before closing their doors... it ensures safety...
Yeah SMRT's system is half-auto... but they can change the system anytime when it rains.
SBST = Fully Auto
SMRT = Auto & Non-Auto
So which one more complex? o_O
i still think they should have ordered Kawasaki 3G rather than Alstom...
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does that explain why Macpherson station is takin longer than the others to build? since they're building the DTE box along with the CCL station, are they installing all the equipment that connects to the DTE side eg escalators, wiring etc.?Originally posted by Novawin™:Yeah, DTL3 use side platform while CCL use conventional platform.
Yellow arrow -> CCL
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from the Tai Seng pic... i dont think its a very good design... nice but not very practical... 1 side has 1 escalator, the other not sure.. if its 1 also it may cause over crowding at 1 end of a station... thats if the station is highly used...Originally posted by Novawin™:
reminds me of novena station... -
http://www.lta.gov.sg/circle_line_art/download/phase2_location.pdfOriginally posted by 201911:thanks for the pics, but where did u get them? i can't find them on LTA's site.
They took out the art competition phase 1 pdf file already. I should've copied the pictures then. There are some renderings of the stations in there, you might wanna take a look at them. -
The contractor, SWEDEN'S NCC International who was awarded the contract to construct MacPherson station ran into some difficulties including financial trouble so they had stopped doing works for macpherson station halfway. They will be replaced by new contractor soon to continue finishing the station according to LTA. This explained why Macpherson station is taking long to be completed.Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:does that explain why Macpherson station is takin longer than the others to build? since they're building the DTE box along with the CCL station, are they installing all the equipment that connects to the DTE side eg escalators, wiring etc.?
I think macpherson station is currently left with uncompleted fitting up works like wall tiles, escalators, PSD and etc. -
I don't think so. If you look at the structures above ground, only one entrance is near completion. The other one is still having concrete being set and another has yet to have concrete setting done (the one next to the Geylang NPC).Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:does that explain why Macpherson station is takin longer than the others to build? since they're building the DTE box along with the CCL station, are they installing all the equipment that connects to the DTE side eg escalators, wiring etc.? -
One side has one escalator and one staircase. The other side has 2 escalators. You can see in the floor plans above.Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:from the Tai Seng pic... i dont think its a very good design... nice but not very practical... 1 side has 1 escalator, the other not sure.. if its 1 also it may cause over crowding at 1 end of a station... thats if the station is highly used...
reminds me of novena station...