Hello all, can anyone tell me the significant difference between H2 and H3 chem?
Does 1st year JC offer H3 chemistry?
And are we able to drop H3 chemistry to H2 if we are unable to cope?
Thanks a lot!
Originally posted by ViewtyKU990:Hello all, can anyone tell me the significant difference between H2 and H3 chem?
Does 1st year JC offer H3 chemistry?
And are we able to drop H3 chemistry to H2 if we are unable to cope?
Thanks a lot!
H3 chem is similar to some of the content u will study in uni. There are diff types of H3 chem that the JC offers like i heard CJC offers pharmaceutical chemistry, some JCs will offer organic synthesis and reaction mechanisms etc
I am not sure whether u can take H3 at yr 1. I had the impression it was only available after promos and you show that u can handle ur H2 chem well.
Originally posted by ViewtyKU990:Hello all, can anyone tell me the significant difference between H2 and H3 chem?
Does 1st year JC offer H3 chemistry?
And are we able to drop H3 chemistry to H2 if we are unable to cope?
Thanks a lot!
Hi ViewtyKU990,
For H3 Chemistry from NUS, you will be studying the same material as NUS 1st year undergraduates, whereas for H3 Chemistry from NTU, you will be studying slightly toned down materials for NTU 1st year undergraduates. There do is a H3 UCLES which is not linked to any of the university too btw.
H2 Chemistry is only at JC - level, and you cannot take H3 Chemistry in your first year.
And yes, you are free to drop H3 Chemistry if you cannot cope with it.
Cheers.
thanks both of you for the much needed information. Thanks a lot (:
Originally posted by TrueHeart:Hi ViewtyKU990,
For H3 Chemistry from NUS, you will be studying the same material as NUS 1st year undergraduates, whereas for H3 Chemistry from NTU, you will be studying slightly toned down materials for NTU 1st year undergraduates. There do is a H3 UCLES which is not linked to any of the university too btw.
H2 Chemistry is only at JC - level, and you cannot take H3 Chemistry in your first year.
And yes, you are free to drop H3 Chemistry if you cannot cope with it.
Cheers.
Its not really the entire yr 1 content etc. As far as i know, the NTU 1 focus on organic chemistry. Not sure about the NUS 1 but its far from the entire yr 1 content, more like just 1-2 module content worth of stuff.
Originally posted by dkcx:Its not really the entire yr 1 content etc. As far as i know, the NTU 1 focus on organic chemistry. Not sure about the NUS 1 but its far from the entire yr 1 content, more like just 1-2 module content worth of stuff.
Hi dkcx,
Each H3 subject is indeed technically only a single module, regardless of where it is taken from. I am sorry for not stating it properly.
I apologise to the TS too, for there are H3 research programmes that can be taken in the first year which happens to slip my mind. They are very different from the content-learning H3 subjects in the 2nd year though.
Cheers.
hmmm that means year 1 will be like just 'touching on' the subject while year 2 will be more insight of the h3 chem?
Originally posted by ViewtyKU990:hmmm that means year 1 will be like just 'touching on' the subject while year 2 will be more insight of the h3 chem?
Don't really get what u mean but u need to do well in yr promos for H2 chem to be considered for H3 chem.
The contents for H3 chem is quite different from H2 chem and not really related.
Actually some people i know who does H3 feels that its not really that useful since its not considered for uni admission etc unless you really intend to study that course in university and hopes to get an exemption from the module.
Originally posted by ViewtyKU990:hmmm that means year 1 will be like just 'touching on' the subject while year 2 will be more insight of the h3 chem?
Hi ViewtyKU990,
No, it is entirely different. The H3 subjects for the first year are technically-speaking project works, whereas the H3 subjects for the second year are more content-based.
I believe this will help you to understand more.
http://www.hci.sg/newsEvents/h3/
Cheers.
thanks both 'zhang bei' for your help (:
Hey yo guys, does anyone know what H3 NTU organic synthesis books are recommended?
Originally posted by Chaomugger:Hey yo guys, does anyone know what H3 NTU organic synthesis books are recommended?
Organic Chemistry by McMurry
Thats the Yr 1 organic chemistry textbook and should be similar to what H3 chem should use i think.
For OC textbooks I recommend 'Organic Chemistry' by Janice Gorzynski Smith and 'Organic Chemistry' by Paula Yurkanis Bruice.
For practice on mechanisms I recommend the Solutions manual for 'Organic Chemistry' by Clayden, Greeves, Warren, and Wothers.
For (advanced) Organic Synthesis I recommend "Strategic Applications of Named Reactions in Organic Synthesis" by Laszlo Kurti and Barbara Czako.
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:For OC textbooks I recommend 'Organic Chemistry' by Janice Gorzynski Smith and 'Organic Chemistry' by Paula Yurkanis Bruice.
For practice on mechanisms I recommend the Solutions manual for 'Organic Chemistry' by Clayden, Greeves, Warren, and Wothers.
For (advanced) Organic Synthesis I recommend "Strategic Applications of Named Reactions in Organic Synthesis" by Laszlo Kurti and Barbara Czako.
Never used those books before nor know what exactly H3 studies but if its doing the undergrad 1st yr organic chemistry, as far as i know, both NTU and NUS uses McMurry as their basic organic chemistry textbk
Yes, be that as it may, (this isn't direct at you dkcx, since you already know this; the following wisdom is for the benefit of students) just because a particular undergrad course in a particular institution in a particular country uses a particular book, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best book on the subject, or even necessarily the most suitable one at that level (eg. Year 1); and students may like to check out a wider variety of resources available.
Anyone interested in obtaining further textbooks or resources can check out user reviews at Amazon.com for any book, Organic Chemistry or other subjects.
Amazon.com reviews :
"Organic Chemistry" textbook by John McMurry :
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Chemistry-John-E-McMurry/dp/0495118370
"Organic Chemistry" textbook by Paula Yurkanis Bruice :
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Chemistry-Paula-Yurkanis-Bruice/dp/0132426315/
"Organic Chemistry" textbook by Janice Gorzynski Smith :
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Chemistry-Janice-Gorzynski-Smith/dp/0073101702
"Organic Chemistry" textbook by Clayden, Greeves, Warren, and Wothers :
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Chemistry-Jonathan-Clayden/dp/0198503466
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:Yes, be that as it may, (this isn't direct at you dkcx, since you already know this; the following wisdom is for the benefit of students) just because a particular undergrad course in a particular institution in a particular country uses a particular book, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best book on the subject, or even necessarily the most suitable one at that level (eg. Year 1); and students may like to check out a wider variety of resources available.
Anyone interested in obtaining further textbooks or resources can check out user reviews at Amazon.com for any book, Organic Chemistry or other subjects.
What i was trying to say was that it might be the textbook that they will be using since some lecturers gives questions etc from the textbook they are using and not other textbooks so getting the textbook they use is essential.
Originally posted by dkcx:What i was trying to say was that it might be the textbook that they will be using since some lecturers gives questions etc from the textbook they are using and not other textbooks so getting the textbook they use is essential.
I know what you were trying to say, you're just being helpful to that student's query and direct to the point.
I'm making a separate point. Throughout my life (both academic and otherwise), I always enjoy exploring alternative sources instead of merely following the common (eg. course instructor's materials, societal dogma, etc). It's just my personal style to enjoy self-directed learning, exploration and development.
Back to OC courses, particularly for H3 (whether NTU, NUS or taught-within-JC) courses, I highly doubt it's 'essential' to buy any textbook at all, whether McMurry or others.
If any textbook were indeed essential for the NTU H3 course, the student would likely have the required title and author direct from the NTU lecturer, instead of asking on a general online forum.
Courses usually have course notes given (though the student will usually have to print it themselves or pay for it), and even if the course instructor 'recommends' a certain textbook, it is seldom 'essential'. And countless undergrads waste countless $$$ buying textbooks that hey were under the impression that it 'recommended' = 'compulsory'. But of course, how 'essential' any textbook is for any course, is entirely up to the instructor.
But if you personally enjoy using a particular textbook that makes learning fun and productive for you, that even the course instructor didn't recommend, then it's $$$ well spent; definitely more worth it than wasting $$$ on textbooks recommended by the course instructor but you don't like.
And finally, OC (moreso at H3 level than H2 level) really requires more understanding than memorizing. So all the more important it is for the student to obtain a textbook he/she personally finds enjoyable.
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
I know what you were trying to say, you're just being helpful to that student's query and direct to the point.
I'm making a separate point. Throughout my life (both academic and otherwise), I always enjoy exploring alternative sources instead of merely following the common (eg. course instructor's materials, societal dogma, etc). It's just my personal style to enjoy self-directed learning, exploration and development.
Back to OC courses, particularly for H3 (whether NTU, NUS or taught-within-JC) courses, I highly doubt it's 'essential' to buy any textbook at all, whether McMurry or others.
If any textbook were indeed essential for the NTU H3 course, the student would likely have the required title and author direct from the NTU lecturer, instead of asking on a general online forum.
Courses usually have course notes given (though the student will usually have to print it themselves or pay for it), and even if the course instructor 'recommends' a certain textbook, it is seldom 'essential'. And countless undergrads waste countless $$$ buying textbooks that hey were under the impression that it 'recommended' = 'compulsory'. But of course, how 'essential' any textbook is for any course, is entirely up to the instructor.
But if you personally enjoy using a particular textbook that makes learning fun and productive for you, that even the course instructor didn't recommend, then it's $$$ well spent; definitely more worth it than wasting $$$ on textbooks recommended by the course instructor but you don't like.
And finally, OC (moreso at H3 level than H2 level) really requires more understanding than memorizing. So all the more important it is for the student to obtain a textbook he/she personally finds enjoyable.
I find Mcmurry quite easy to understand so it was good enough for me in yr 1.
However, i won't deny that certain module's textbook is quite useless and some like physical chemistry textbooks are useful but SUPER boring...