can the lousiest express class student go to JC?
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Question: why must you go to JC, and why must it be VJC?
If your worth is determined by which tertiary institution you go to, then I don't know what to say, except that the problem really lies with your mentality.
I know of plenty of poly grads who have made it good. No reason why you can't, so long as you're willing to work for it.
The 'lousiest express class student' should be thinking about how to make the best of his situation to go on to poly and to succeed using that route.
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why must go JC ?
because now students face pressure from teacher who tell them that go JC is the best and sure way to have a future, they will tell u that have a degree is better then a dip, and the way if u wan go uni is through JC because there is a higher chance of JC student going UNI then poly students.
why VJC? i have no fucking idea.
btw VJC u bo AM they kick u out even if ur L1R5 is 6 or below.
- i know alot of poly grads who have made it good-
teachers will tell their student that those who go poly now earn only 1++k and that their pay rise is ard $50
HENCE, JC is the way to go cause it can give u a higher chance of going UNi which normally has a higher starting pay of 2k+ and a bigger increasement .
HENCE, leading to many pupils wanting to go JC. because its the so called safer route.
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Originally posted by yiha093:
why must go JC ?
because now students face pressure from teacher who tell them that go JC is the best and sure way to have a future, they will tell u that have a degree is better then a dip, and the way if u wan go uni is through JC because there is a higher chance of JC student going UNI then poly students.
why VJC? i have no fucking idea.
btw VJC u bo AM they kick u out even if ur L1R5 is 6 or below.
- i know alot of poly grads who have made it good-
teachers will tell their student that those who go poly now earn only 1++k and that their pay rise is ard $50
HENCE, JC is the way to go cause it can give u a higher chance of going UNi which normally has a higher starting pay of 2k+ and a bigger increasement .
HENCE, leading to many pupils wanting to go JC. because its the so called safer route.
Absolute rubbish.
Yes, going via the JC route increases your chances of getting into a University.
So since I'm aiming for Business, I should go to JC with my L1R5 of 18 and probably get into a crap University course that nobody wants rather than go to a polytechnic with L1R4 of 9 and get into the polytechnic course of my choice.
Since JC is the "safest route" (LOL), we should all go JC for the bigger "increasement" (its increment) and for the higher starting pay.
Yes, absolute rubbish.
JC is certainly the safest route if you have completely no ambition in life or you intend to inherit a lot of wealth from your parents in the near future. That's all.
Right now, I see that the only reason a person would choose JC over Polytechnic is that he does not want to waste one year of his life away, or that polytechnics do not offer "double diplomas" as NUS and other universities offer "double degrees".
Polytechnic graduates, open entry to their relevant university courses, have a MUCH easier time in coping with the syllabus, I believe some get to skip one university year (which results in a net loss of 0 years), and polytechnic graduates with a degree is preferable in some sectors to a JC graduate with a degree.
Public sector and Private sector starting pay and pay increment are very different.
You also didn't mention job availability and stability.You also didn't mention that the course that you want to get into might be the easiest or hardest to get into.
You also didn't mention that the main reason people choose JC or polytechnic is because they don't know what they want to do later in life yet.
No idea which teacher told you polytechnic-graduates only have a starting pay of $1000 or whatever, but that teacher is one big idiot.
Do your research before posting here. You're giving others the wrong information.
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Without A.Maths means no H2 Maths in JC, but you still can take it as H1.
Whether they "kick" you or not depends on your L1R5.
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Originally posted by Yangsilun95:
omg is it true that vjc will kick you out if u dinden take a math?
then what about anglo chinese jc？
is it the same or ..
Hi Yangsilun,If you do not offer A. Maths, you will not be able to take up H2 mathematics in VJC. However, you will still be able to take up H1 mathematics.
Do note that the offering of Mathematics is a must for all VJC students, regardless of whether you are entering the Science Stream or the Arts Stream.
Cheers.
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you reap what you sow.
That is a very generic question, the best student can mean just passing, and the lousiest can mean f9 for everything.
Study hard, set your mind to it, make your goals and work towards it.
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Originally posted by Dejomel:
Absolute rubbish.
Yes, going via the JC route increases your chances of getting into a University.
So since I'm aiming for Business, I should go to JC with my L1R5 of 18 and probably get into a crap University course that nobody wants rather than go to a polytechnic with L1R4 of 9 and get into the polytechnic course of my choice.
Since JC is the "safest route" (LOL), we should all go JC for the bigger "increasement" (its increment) and for the higher starting pay.
Yes, absolute rubbish.
JC is certainly the safest route if you have completely no ambition in life or you intend to inherit a lot of wealth from your parents in the near future. That's all.
Right now, I see that the only reason a person would choose JC over Polytechnic is that he does not want to waste one year of his life away, or that polytechnics do not offer "double diplomas" as NUS and other universities offer "double degrees".
Polytechnic graduates, open entry to their relevant university courses, have a MUCH easier time in coping with the syllabus, I believe some get to skip one university year (which results in a net loss of 0 years), and polytechnic graduates with a degree is preferable in some sectors to a JC graduate with a degree.
Public sector and Private sector starting pay and pay increment are very different.
You also didn't mention job availability and stability.You also didn't mention that the course that you want to get into might be the easiest or hardest to get into.
You also didn't mention that the main reason people choose JC or polytechnic is because they don't know what they want to do later in life yet.
No idea which teacher told you polytechnic-graduates only have a starting pay of $1000 or whatever, but that teacher is one big idiot.
Do your research before posting here. You're giving others the wrong information.
I shall share my insights on the engineering route I went through in life via JC. ;)
JC is certainly the safest route if you have completely no ambition in life or you intend to inherit a lot of wealth from your parents in the near future. That's all.
I have always wanted to study in an engineering course. JC prepared me better for the engineering course in NUS. For a fact, everyone who got first class honours in my year for Elec Engineering was from JC.
My first two years in uni was a breeze because almost everything was a repeat of A levels... easily scoring As, and this greatly boost up my CAP, providing me with a formidable base to fall back on. Poly grads 'lose' building this base with the easier modules, and have to compete to score in tougher modules. This is to me, the greatest advantage of JC over poly students.
Poly grads can skip 1 year of study for the correct course, as they are expected to have studied first year uni stuff in poly. But for guys, after 2 years of NS, you would have forgotten most of the stuff, and yet you will be competing to score against JC students who have just learned most of the things and have them fresh and strong in their head.
The last 2 paragraphs shows that the amount of effort required from poly grads to do as well as a JC student in uni is much higher.
Polytechnic graduates, open entry to their relevant university courses, have a MUCH easier time in coping with the syllabus, I believe some get to skip one university year (which results in a net loss of 0 years), and polytechnic graduates with a degree is preferable in some sectors to a JC graduate with a degree.
Super untrue. Poly is much more hands on, whereas for NUS, it's much more theoretical. As a result, poly students will do better at hands on projects. However, such projects are only a small portion of NUS engineering's curriculum.
Regarding net loss of 0 years, it's also subjective, depending on the course you take.
You also didn't mention that the main reason people choose JC or polytechnic is because they don't know what they want to do later in life yet.
Not entirely true as well. It's the same both ways. I know people who do not know what they want to do, yet choose poly because they are scared of the rigours in JC. Yet I have met people who already knew what they want, and they chose JC.
Sometimes, it's a matter of perceptions on both sides of the camp. But my life experiences tell me otherwise. Both camps will have people who were unsure, and people who were sure.
No idea which teacher told you polytechnic-graduates only have a starting pay of $1000 or whatever, but that teacher is one big idiot.
Engineering:
Starting pay for poly grads (guys) is normally between $1.5k to $2.2k
Starting pay for uni grads (guys) is normally between $2.4k to $3.8k, depending on your honours. -
Originally posted by Wheref:
Without A.Maths means no H2 Maths in JC, but you still can take it as H1.
Whether they "kick" you or not depends on your L1R5.
YJC and MI allows taking of H2 Maths in JC without A maths.
I have 2 hardworking and motivated students like this, and they are coping pretty well, with the MI student among the top 25 in his school even when competing with students who took A maths.
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i admit tht what i said might be flawed or not up to scratch in some way.
however. i am just reflecting what is being told to me.
but,
a) i didnt say 'safest' dun put words into my mouth
b) as for the job increment and starting pay, i believe i was talking Poly VS UNI . please read properly
c) what u said about the ppl who going JC either no ambition or either inherit a lot of money is also generalisation, which is what u r picking upon my points for, so i suggest u reflect on what u have said
d)poly > uni are in better demand then JC - > Uni i have no idea, hence i am unable to refute ur statement . but what good is a poly grad who cant go uni ? we are not talking numbers here, we are talking about real human beings, so what if ( ^$%X£%) % of poly are able to go to UNI ? isit you ? hence leading me to what i stated as JC being ' safer or ''best and sure way''
e) about the pay increment, i have absolutely no idea or information to back up what i have said, or what YOU have said . and what does job availibity and stability depend on ? whether u r able to get a degree right? ( i guess). hence what use is job availibility and stability when u got a deg student compared against a poly student ?
i belive that job stability and job availibility comes from ur cert . In the streets anyhow throw stone also is poly grad. UNI grad i dun think so thou .
this proves that UNI grad lesser and ( supply and demand) UNI grad do have a higher job stablility.
Yet u might say go poly also can go uni . ( referring back to my point of stating that JC is a easier way to go UNI )
f) i didnt mention the reason why ppl wan JC is because.. blah blah...) , because TS ownself say want to to VJC
g) so u mean all poly grad starting pay at least is 2k + ? not 1k+ ? ( i require clarification)
TO TS . u nvr take Am u take H1 maths u wan to do what? arts course ?
maybe i am wrong, i believe most sci course in UNI needs at least H2 maths.
so make up ur mind
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of course, the below data is based on 2006 . data might be abit outdated. but im quite cnfident that pay drop because of te recent economic downturn .
so what do u have to say ?
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Originally posted by yiha093:
i admit tht what i said might be flawed or not up to scratch in some way.
however. i am just reflecting what is being told to me.
but,
a) i didnt say 'safest' dun put words into my mouth
b) as for the job increment and starting pay, i believe i was talking Poly VS UNI . please read properly
c) what u said about the ppl who going JC either no ambition or either inherit a lot of money is also generalisation, which is what u r picking upon my points for, so i suggest u reflect on what u have said
d)poly > uni are in better demand then JC - > Uni i have no idea, hence i am unable to refute ur statement . but what good is a poly grad who cant go uni ? we are not talking numbers here, we are talking about real human beings, so what if ( ^$%X£%) % of poly are able to go to UNI ? isit you ? hence leading me to what i stated as JC being ' safer or ''best and sure way''
e) about the pay increment, i have absolutely no idea or information to back up what i have said, or what YOU have said . and what does job availibity and stability depend on ? whether u r able to get a degree right? ( i guess). hence what use is job availibility and stability when u got a deg student compared against a poly student ?
i belive that job stability and job availibility comes from ur cert . In the streets anyhow throw stone also is poly grad. UNI grad i dun think so thou .
this proves that UNI grad lesser and ( supply and demand) UNI grad do have a higher job stablility.
Yet u might say go poly also can go uni . ( referring back to my point of stating that JC is a easier way to go UNI )
f) i didnt mention the reason why ppl wan JC is because.. blah blah...) , because TS ownself say want to to VJC
g) so u mean all poly grad starting pay at least is 2k + ? not 1k+ ? ( i require clarification)
TO TS . u nvr take Am u take H1 maths u wan to do what? arts course ?
maybe i am wrong, i believe most sci course in UNI needs at least H2 maths.
so make up ur mind
(a) and (e) practically mean you're saying its the safer/safest route (I don't care about superlatives). So you DID say it. It WAS what you wrote.
(c) --> You're telling me to l2read when you yourself aren't reading properly.
Right now, I see that the only reason a person would choose JC over Polytechnic is that he does not want to waste one year of his life away, or that polytechnics do not offer "double diplomas" as NUS and other universities offer "double degrees".
(d) --> You're still not reading properly. The "safer" way isn't even a "way" at all.
(b) --> I read wrongly about what you posted on this. My fault.No comments on (f) either.
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Originally posted by yiha093:
of course, the below data is based on 2006 . data might be abit outdated. but im quite cnfident that pay drop because of te recent economic downturn .
so what do u have to say ?
Firstly, I couldn't see it.It's a huge X. Sorry.
Secondly, taking data from 2006 is definitely too long ago.
The pattern has changed a lot since the year 2006 itself. It's like comparing our year's O' Level syllabus to 2007 batch. It's only 2 years apart, but the difference is rather large.
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Originally posted by eagle:
I shall share my insights on the engineering route I went through in life via JC. ;)
I have always wanted to study in an engineering course. JC prepared me better for the engineering course in NUS. For a fact, everyone who got first class honours in my year for Elec Engineering was from JC.
My first two years in uni was a breeze because almost everything was a repeat of A levels... easily scoring As, and this greatly boost up my CAP, providing me with a formidable base to fall back on. Poly grads 'lose' building this base with the easier modules, and have to compete to score in tougher modules. This is to me, the greatest advantage of JC over poly students.
Poly grads can skip 1 year of study for the correct course, as they are expected to have studied first year uni stuff in poly. But for guys, after 2 years of NS, you would have forgotten most of the stuff, and yet you will be competing to score against JC students who have just learned most of the things and have them fresh and strong in their head.
The last 2 paragraphs shows that the amount of effort required from poly grads to do as well as a JC student in uni is much higher.
Super untrue. Poly is much more hands on, whereas for NUS, it's much more theoretical. As a result, poly students will do better at hands on projects. However, such projects are only a small portion of NUS engineering's curriculum.
Regarding net loss of 0 years, it's also subjective, depending on the course you take.
Not entirely true as well. It's the same both ways. I know people who do not know what they want to do, yet choose poly because they are scared of the rigours in JC. Yet I have met people who already knew what they want, and they chose JC.
Sometimes, it's a matter of perceptions on both sides of the camp. But my life experiences tell me otherwise. Both camps will have people who were unsure, and people who were sure.
Engineering:
Starting pay for poly grads (guys) is normally between $1.5k to $2.2k
Starting pay for uni grads (guys) is normally between $2.4k to $3.8k, depending on your honours.
I can't individually quote selected parts because I'm simply a lazy ass, so here it goes.Could it have been coincidence that all the FCH graduates from your time were from a JC?
To be honest, I think students of your generation (who are now the same age group as you) had a much better mindset than the students of my generation (who are currently students).
Thus they knew what they wanted in life mostly, and set their minds to it. My peers are mainly, from what I see (don't call me cynical), mainly made of fail in terms of the right mindset and attitude.Regarding the NS Years disrupting your studies and thus causing you to forget whatever you learned in polytechnic, I guess you do have a point.
But I am very certain that the more popular courses in the polytechnics now, should you apply for a local university with your diploma, result in you either being able to forgo a couple of modules here and there or skipping the first here entirely.
I don't know exactly which relevant courses I am talking about, but I am very sure they are the more popular ones right now.
I guess it DOES work both ways, considering some people who score L1R5 of 6 points and know what they want in life still choose to go to a polytechnic, simply because they don't want to "spend another 2 years mugging" (which is one of the reasons why I think my generation has major issues).
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Chill guys :D
Yeah I agree, 2006 is too long ago and pretty much irrelevant as well because of the economic crisis. It's better to look at last year's or this year's data. You would then realize SMU Grads earn a lot >.< Makes me wonder whether I should enter SMU instead of the other 2
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Originally posted by Dejomel:
I can't individually quote selected parts because I'm simply a lazy ass, so here it goes.Could it have been coincidence that all the FCH graduates from your time were from a JC?
To be honest, I think students of your generation (who are now the same age group as you) had a much better mindset than the students of my generation (who are currently students).
Thus they knew what they wanted in life mostly, and set their minds to it. My peers are mainly, from what I see (don't call me cynical), mainly made of fail in terms of the right mindset and attitude.Regarding the NS Years disrupting your studies and thus causing you to forget whatever you learned in polytechnic, I guess you do have a point.
But I am very certain that the more popular courses in the polytechnics now, should you apply for a local university with your diploma, result in you either being able to forgo a couple of modules here and there or skipping the first here entirely.
I don't know exactly which relevant courses I am talking about, but I am very sure they are the more popular ones right now.
I guess it DOES work both ways, considering some people who score L1R5 of 6 points and know what they want in life still choose to go to a polytechnic, simply because they don't want to "spend another 2 years mugging" (which is one of the reasons why I think my generation has major issues).
Could it have been coincidence that all the FCH graduates from your time were from a JC?
Do you think it could be so coincidental out of a thousand plus students in EE alone? I don't think so. I could go back to my year book and look at other engineering disciplines, but I'm lazy to :(
But from here, we can conclude that the percentage of FCH from JC is definitely much higher. My main guess is because although most of the first year of uni modules can be skipped, not all could be. People like me who planned early would take more modules during the initial 2 years as they would be easier, and concentrate on the tougher ones in the final 2 years. I could even finish up with an industrial attachment and student exchange with ease. Poly grads wouldn't be able to afford the time to do so as they they only 3 years in uni. :(
But I am very certain that the more popular courses in the polytechnics now, should you apply for a local university with your diploma, result in you either being able to forgo a couple of modules here and there or skipping the first here entirely.
The skipping of modules is exactly what I believed to be a disadvantage to poly grads as stated above. I'm viewing this from a mathematical point of view on CAP score. ;)
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Originally posted by Wheref:
Chill guys :D
Yeah I agree, 2006 is too long ago and pretty much irrelevant as well because of the economic crisis. It's better to look at last year's or this year's data. You would then realize SMU Grads earn a lot >.< Makes me wonder whether I should enter SMU instead of the other 2
SMU grads would tell you that while the data looks good, most of them do not get that pay.
It's more of a marketing gimmick.
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Originally posted by eagle:
The skipping of modules is exactly what I believed to be a disadvantage to poly grads as stated above. I'm viewing this from a mathematical point of view on CAP score. ;)
o.o You're right. That's an interesting take on things from a non-student perspective. -
Just wonderin, I've been hearing that engineerin course is hard, tough, etc. So my question is, if u were to mug and mug hard throughout your uni life, is it possible to like get into the Dean's List and obtain FCH?
I know that that can work in JC, sec sch etc, but im wonderin whether it applies to uni as well. Do we have to do lots of independent learnin and look for info outside of what is taught?
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Originally posted by Wheref:
Just wonderin, I've been hearing that engineerin course is hard, tough, etc. So my question is, if u were to mug and mug hard throughout your uni life, is it possible to like get into the Dean's List and obtain FCH?
I know that that can work in JC, sec sch etc, but im wonderin whether it applies to uni as well. Do we have to do lots of independent learnin and look for info outside of what is taught?
Work hard and independent learning, etc, is definitely a must.
In addition, u need to understand concepts very clearly, something which is trained a little little bit in JCs.
Dean's List would be much much harder... much more competitive for engineering faculty... I only managed to get it twice our of 6 possible semesters... :(
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Heh was it because of all our foreigner friends that made it super tough to get in the list? Heard that they learnt some of those stuff back in their China schools already..Anyway what's the top percentage to get into the list?
Btw, is the engineering course in NUS only meant for the first year? Like maybe you are expected to branch into another more specialised course in the second year like Electrical Engineering, Chemical, etc.?
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Originally posted by Yangsilun95:
my subject combination is like this
3D Subject Combination:
(1) English Language
(2) Mother Tongue/ HMT
(3) Elementary Mathematics
(4) Science (Bio / Chem)
(5) Principles of Accounts
(6) Art
(7) Social Studies + Literature in CLcos dunno why my sch oni offering 2 classes for a math
and the 1st is got thriple sci
2nd is double sci ,but my sci fail - 47
my math oso not say very good - 64
I don't know if I go for an appeal to 3B which has combinations like this
:3B Subject Combination:
(1) English Language
(2) Mother Tongue/ HMT
(3) Elementary Mathematics
(4) Additional Mathematics
(5) Pure Chemistry
(6) Pure Physics
(7) Social Studies + Literature in CLbut then the case is If I stay in 3D
the subjects i take cant even count to L1R5
oni can L1R4
then die die must go poly ....
sian..vjc bye
know your limits, and deal with it.
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Just some minor disagreements with many of the arguements but too many things to quote.
Eagle, our 'generation' belongs more to the age where everyone who can go to JC will go to JC while its the poorer students that choose to go to poly. You graduated before me and even during my batch, poly was still considered a place that only ppl who cannot go JC choose to go. However nowadays, the trends are increasing for top studens who reject JCs and go to poly so its no longer able to use poly/jc grads of our time to compare to now.
There are JC students that get the FCH i won't deny esp at your time last year however are u certain that all the bottom students are poly students or are there still a large number of JC students at the bottom as well? Rather than paint a very positive picture and only talking about the top, we should consider the whole picture and see the whole cohort for discussion. Furthermore, how many peoeple can really dream about getting that FCH?
For salary comarisions, its unfair to compare poly with uni because they are of different standard. If a poly student can ever earn more than a uni grad, there is no reason to go uni already. If you compare JC to poly, a poly can earn 1-2k salary, a JC student pathetic amount.
Furthermore, alot of poly students choose to go overseas to study as do many JC students. Overseas, poly students can get 1.5-2yrs exemption for almost any course which makes a poly grad graduate even earlier than a JC grad who goes to the same overseas uni. In fact for my poly course, about half or so of the top scorers all chose to go overseas uni to study rather than local uni so its not fair to just judge those who go from poly to local uni as really the best from poly.
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Originally posted by Wheref:
Heh was it because of all our foreigner friends that made it super tough to get in the list? Heard that they learnt some of those stuff back in their China schools already..Anyway what's the top percentage to get into the list?
I'm interested in the answer too o.0