can the lousiest express class student go to JC?
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You people are still going at it?
I thought it should be common sense now that both JC and Poly have their pros and cons, neither is truly entirely better than the others...-__-
If either is truly that much better than the other, the government will not have bother to build both already...
Eagle, don't join them in such arguments already....
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
You people are still going at it?
I thought it should be common sense now that both JC and Poly have their pros and cons, neither is truly entirely better than the others...-__-
If either is truly that much better than the other, the government will not have bother to build both already...
Eagle, don't join them in such arguments already....
Eagle is trying to help us understand the pros and cons between choosing JC and Poly, as the trends are ever-changing throughout the generations.
We're enlightening each other.
What are you trying to imply by saying " You people are still going at it "?
Since you deem the civil sharing of information and debating to be such trivial "arguments", why not just stay out of this?
I'm actually learning and understanding a lot more about post-secondary education and life. Don't mind me if I feel offended if some random person comes in and calls my pursuit of knowledge an "argument" and even tries to hinder it.
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Forbiddensinner, thanks :) It's a good thing to let different opinions out so that students can make more informed choices. Both have their pros and cons.
Ok, let me put my last post to share my thoughts with everyone :) The rest I have pm-ed dkcx, shall continue with him there.
Its a year wasted to some but there are some people who don't mind spending 1 more yr to get a 1st class or 2nd upper honours.
Trust me, once you get out to the working world, 1 wasted year can mean missed earnings that could be equivalent to between once to twice the whole 4 years of uni school fees.
Yet if one were to say earnings are not important, then there's no point to get that FCH right, unless it's purely for education sake? :)
All these are said on hindsight.
The 2 yrs in NS definitely made my theoretical knowledge quite weak but my practical knowledge were all intact and returning to lab in uni was a piece of cake for me as well as most of my poly friends.
That's interesting. Your science course has probably more lab work than electrical engineering, I believe. But there will be many A level perfect scorers in electrical engineering vying for the As, both in labs and in theoretical work. E.g. for me, some lab reports, I got between 9.5 to 10 upon 10 because I was highly driven to do well for that modules which I like, which was EG1108 (I think) and EE2010 (Systems and Control).
In fact, my partner (also A levels) was benefitting from what I was doing because she had totally no idea what was going on.
I guess it depends :)
That said, I have to say that many EE pple will borrow old experimental reports from their seniors in the higher years, then copy and paste with their own results
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Originally posted by eagle:
Trust me, once you get out to the working world, 1 wasted year can mean missed earnings that could be equivalent to between once to twice the whole 4 years of uni school fees.
Yet if one were to say earnings are not important, then there's no point to get that FCH right, unless it's purely for education sake? :)
All these are said on hindsight.
That's interesting. Your science course has probably more lab work than electrical engineering, I believe. But there will be many A level perfect scorers in electrical engineering vying for the As, both in labs and in theoretical work. E.g. for me, some lab reports, I got between 9.5 to 10 upon 10 because I was highly driven to do well for that modules which I like, which was EG1108 (I think) and EE2010 (Systems and Control).
In fact, my partner (also A levels) was benefitting from what I was doing because she had totally no idea what was going on.
I guess it depends :)
That said, I have to say that many EE pple will borrow old experimental reports from their seniors in the higher years, then copy and paste with their own results
So
it doesn't really matter in the end...A 1st class honours if obtainable is a key to further education opporunities, higher pay etc so i believe there are still people who are willing to sacrifice 1 year for. I won't deny the pay issue but some people might have a more long term goal in mind and will prefer to go slower but have more assurance for their results.
Chemistry lab is 3hrs in yr 1, 6 hrs each in yr 2/3 so i believe its more different as theres a larger emphasis on lab work. Everyone always try to get senior reports to copy but for my course, they for some stupid reason decided to make the yr 2/3 lab examinable so its no longer just doing a lab report but the understanding of the entire experiment becomes important for that exam which constitutes 50% of the overall grade.
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Originally posted by Dejomel:
Eagle is trying to help us understand the pros and cons between choosing JC and Poly, as the trends are ever-changing throughout the generations.
We're enlightening each other.
What are you trying to imply by saying " You people are still going at it "?
Since you deem the civil sharing of information and debating to be such trivial "arguments", why not just stay out of this?
I'm actually learning and understanding a lot more about post-secondary education and life. Don't mind me if I feel offended if some random person comes in and calls my pursuit of knowledge an "argument" and even tries to hinder it.
Of course I don't mind you feeling offended. I do mind being offended by a coward who likes to twist words though. This is the 2nd time you are twisting the words of others to suit your own needs in this thread.
I don't remember ever calling this a trivial argument, and the reason why I say that you people are still going at this, is because I have seen at least 10 similar inconclusive threads on JC vs Poly since I started out helping here.
I am just advising eagle not to get himself too deeply entwined into such stuffs lest someone start calling him a bias moderator.
Such arguments are just like asking if the Kaya is better or the Jam is better for spreading on bread.
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
I don't remember ever calling this a trivial argument, and the reason why I say that you people are still going at this, is because I have seen at least 10 similar inconclusive threads on JC vs Poly since I started out helping here.
I am just advising eagle not to get himself too deeply entwined into such stuffs lest someone start calling him a bias moderator.
Such arguments are just like asking if the Kaya is better or the Jam is better for spreading on bread.
There are always people interested in such info but do not search the threads to find the previous 'discussions'. Maybe 1 of these threads should just be stickied for future students to read so that it does not need to be repeated all the time.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
There are always people interested in such info but do not search the threads to find the previous 'discussions'. Maybe 1 of these threads should just be stickied for future students to read so that it does not need to be repeated all the time.
It will end up being called Poly VS JC (Part1), followed by (Part 2)....Another ten years down the road, it will be (Part10~15)
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
It will end up being called Poly VS JC (Part1), followed by (Part 2)....Another ten years down the road, it will be (Part10~15)
As the education situation slowly evolves, thats actually logical cos the current trends now is not the same as 5 yrs ago and is unlikely to be the same 5 yrs down the road.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
As the education situation slowly evolves, thats actually logical cos the current trends now is not the same as 5 yrs ago and is unlikely to be the same 5 yrs down the road.
Yup, I am still waiting for the day when Poly students are given equal opportunities to enter courses like Law and Medicine.
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
Yup, I am still waiting for the day when Poly students are given equal opportunities to enter courses like Law and Medicine.
There is a slow thread of students entering all the formerly JC only courses these days and with 1, it paves the way for more and more as the number of top students going to poly is increasing.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
There is a slow thread of students entering all the formerly JC only courses these days and with 1, it paves the way for more and more as the number of top students going to poly is increasing.
I remember that, but the problem with some of the courses such as dentistry is those "Special Requirements". For poly students, you will need those organisations outside to sign for you to show that you have contributed a lot, and the only guy who got in thus far put in about 15 hours a week helping outside, I heard.
Such requirements are -__-''
Even if less places are allocated to poly students, such requirements should not be unfairly put in place only for poly students.
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
I remember that, but the problem with some of the courses such as dentistry is those "Special Requirements". For poly students, you will need those organisations outside to sign for you to show that you have contributed a lot, and the only guy who got in thus far put in about 15 hours a week helping outside, I heard.
Such requirements are -__-''
Even if less places are allocated to poly students, such requirements should not be unfairly put in place only for poly students.
As i say, nothing is set in stone and such things might slowly change
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Originally posted by dkcx:
A 1st class honours if obtainable is a key to further education opporunities, higher pay etc so i believe there are still people who are willing to sacrifice 1 year for. I won't deny the pay issue but some people might have a more long term goal in mind and will prefer to go slower but have more assurance for their results.
Chemistry lab is 3hrs in yr 1, 6 hrs each in yr 2/3 so i believe its more different as theres a larger emphasis on lab work. Everyone always try to get senior reports to copy but for my course, they for some stupid reason decided to make the yr 2/3 lab examinable so its no longer just doing a lab report but the understanding of the entire experiment becomes important for that exam which constitutes 50% of the overall grade.
They are indeed getting smarter :)
I think that's applicable to science fac so far... tough luck :)
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when i was in sec sch, i also thought i would maybe like to go poly instead. because everyone tells me that jc life is tough, its hectic, you just mug your life away etc.
somehow, after much thought, i decided going to a good jc might have more scholarship chances lol. and i still think going into a jc is a better route to aim for scholarships, correct me if im wrong. moreover, people usually adapt to changing lifestyles as they come, hectic or not, it dosent make a difference once you've adapted to that kind of life.
and so i ended up in a jc. all i can say is...if ure the average type of student with not much aims or whatsoever and want to go jc, try to go into a good one. the studying attitude of the general population in a better jc is vastly different from those in a not as good jc, as you will be more driven(by external factors eg peer pressure) to study for better results in a good jc..
though i have some friends who scored very well and simply go into a jc thats near their house for convenience's sake and still doing very well. if youre that kinda person either make sure you're very smart, or you're very motivated to do well...
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all move to near good jc lor. then motivated+ convience xD
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First thing that you should ask yourself is, what is your ambition in life? What do you have most passion for? What is the future job that you can envision yourself in next time? With that said & done, you work towards that goal.
And seriously, I don't see what is up with the stupid JC vs Poly debate. As everyone has said, there are its own pros & cons. And don't go to a JC for the sake of recognition, easier entry to Uni or whatever hoohah reason. Just do what you want to do.
My own personal experience is that I took the JC route, screwed up my A levels. But managed to enter engineering in NTU. And honestly speaking, I'm still wondering if this is my cup of tea. I'm struggling now as I find it hard to catch up with Uni life after a 2 years break due to NS and the accelerated pace of Uni life. Same for my poly friends and other JC friends. We are all trying to find our way around in this 1st year. So ultimately when you hit Uni, everyone is on the same equal plane. We just find a way to survive! But in the end, you must have a passion for what you want to do. And even if you realise that you have made the wrong choice, you can always switch. There is never an end to the road for you.
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there is never an end to the road for you.
true i guess... based on 16 years only. haha !
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
Of course I don't mind you feeling offended. I do mind being offended by a coward who likes to twist words though. This is the 2nd time you are twisting the words of others to suit your own needs in this thread.
I don't remember ever calling this a trivial argument, and the reason why I say that you people are still going at this, is because I have seen at least 10 similar inconclusive threads on JC vs Poly since I started out helping here.
I am just advising eagle not to get himself too deeply entwined into such stuffs lest someone start calling him a bias moderator.
Such arguments are just like asking if the Kaya is better or the Jam is better for spreading on bread.
Do excuse me if someone calls an object "black" and I in turn describe that the object is "dark".
I won't be starting a flame war here out of respect for the moderators, but obviously some people deem the initial association that others form when they comment on something ever so ambiguous to be twisting words.
As you said, "Such arguments are just like asking if the Kaya is better or the Jam is better for spreading on bread".
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Originally posted by Yangsilun95:
my subject combination is like this
3D Subject Combination:
(1) English Language
(2) Mother Tongue/ HMT
(3) Elementary Mathematics
(4) Science (Bio / Chem)
(5) Principles of Accounts
(6) Art
(7) Social Studies + Literature in CLcos dunno why my sch oni offering 2 classes for a math
and the 1st is got thriple sci
2nd is double sci ,but my sci fail - 47
my math oso not say very good - 64
I don't know if I go for an appeal to 3B which has combinations like this
:3B Subject Combination:
(1) English Language
(2) Mother Tongue/ HMT
(3) Elementary Mathematics
(4) Additional Mathematics
(5) Pure Chemistry
(6) Pure Physics
(7) Social Studies + Literature in CLbut then the case is If I stay in 3D
the subjects i take cant even count to L1R5
oni can L1R4
then die die must go poly ....
sian..vjc bye
TS simply asked whether the lousiest express student can go to JC or not... dunno why some people had to bring in the subject of poly? Give it a rest, JC or poly is just a choice. Not necessary better or worse.
To TS, yes the lousiest express student can go to JC. Heck even normal stream students can go to JC. It is what you do and not where you are that decide where you go. I did badly in Sec 2 and decide I want to go JC so I asked to take additional maths independently.
It is better to ask the school whether you can take additional maths as a school candidate by outside learning or not. As people without AM will be disadvantaged in the L1R5 ( the AM candidates will take most of the EM A1s and A2s) and in JC life.
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Originally posted by Mikethm:
It is better to ask the school whether you can take additional maths as a school candidate by outside learning or not. As people without AM will be disadvantaged in the L1R5 ( the AM candidates will take most of the EM A1s and A2s) and in JC life.
Speaking of which, I have heard that the H1 Maths syllabus in JC is almost the same as the Secondary School Amaths syllabus. Is that true? -
Originally posted by Dejomel:
Speaking of which, I have heard that the H1 Maths syllabus in JC is almost the same as the Secondary School Amaths syllabus. Is that true?Hi Dejomel,
You may have a look at the differences between the two syllabus here:
http://www.seab.gov.sg/SEAB/oLevel/syllabus/2009_GCE_O_Level_Syllabuses/4018_2009.pdf
http://www.seab.gov.sg/SEAB/aLevel/syllabus/2009_GCE_A_Level_Syllabuses/8863_2009.pdf
Cheers.