consequences yes...on judgment day, there will be 2 type of judgments...one for the non-believers and one for believers...believers will be judged for their good/bad works and seriously, if a christian commits murder while on earth, does he get away wif it? no he doesnt...he will be punished by the country's law and if he doesnt repent b4 God, he may even not make it to heaven...however, if he repents to god, he will pay the price on earth but be given his place in paradise...
if today ur child cheats in an exam, he will get a zero, u will be summon to school and he may be caned in school...as a prent, u may punish him too BUT will u disown him PERMANENTLY and THROW him out of ur family PERMANENTLY???
Originally posted by despondent:to shanfan
correct...the context for tat scripture is referring to those who knew abt jesus way b4 they were near death...like if i 1st accepted christ when i was 20, i am expected to work towards living a godly life until i die...i will still sin cos i am still not perfect...however its the effort tat counts most to God...its like tis, if ur child studied very hard for his exam yet he came back wif a fail grade, will u still scold/cane him or worse throw him out of the house cos he failed? when i was growing up, my parents always told me tat if i studied hard and failed, they wun get angry...but if i failed cos i was lazy and dint study, they will be angry...
so for a 20yr old who accepted christ and lead a life sinning wilfully, then the qn will be whether he was truly saved in the 1st place...these are the ones jeus was referring to who will say Lord, Lord but will have no place in heaven cos they were not truly saved in the 1st place...
for eg, if i received christ cos i want to be bless or if i receive christ cos its good to do so, these ppl may not be truly saved cos the significance of salvation is not so tat we can be blessed or tat its good to be saved, rather its cos we acknowledge the love of God, Jesus death on the cross for our sins and tat Jeus is our Lord and saviour...if today we come from a stable family, do we live wif our parents cos they are rich, happy or do we live wif them simply cos they gave birth to us, provided for us and loved us??? same for God, we acknowledge tat he created us, loves us and tat heaven is home to those who are willing to turn back and reconcile the parent-child r/s which was broken when adam fell...
so for a 20yr old who accepted christ and lead a life sinning wilfully, then the qn will be whether he was truly saved in the 1st place...these are the ones jeus was referring to who will say Lord, Lord but will have no place in heaven cos they were not truly saved in the 1st place...
Please do your beloved God and Jesus a favour if you love your god not to misinterpret what Jesus said. No wonder so many christians not doing what God, Jesus want them to, shake my head. Your explanation in red is absolutely not accepted. Christians can be truly saved yet choose to continue to sin and refuse to repent.
To use parent treating child as example is not a good one, God said in the bible that his ways are higher than ours so parents are not the equivalent of God.
parents ways are higher tha a child's ways...oh well, i have said b4 and am saying it again...christian philosophy is better understood by christians who alredi have the fundamentals of christianity in them...the christians i noe so far have all agreed tat the parent-child analogy is appropriate parallel to use to explain how salvation is like...the pt tat christians are 1st truly saved then sin wilfully refers to a theological belief tat salvation can be lost which is actually my stand...the other doctrinal belief is once saved always saved which teaches that those who call out Lord, Lord but have no place in heaven were NOT truly saved in the 1st place...
which doctrinal stand do u take?
when comparte to an eternal God, we are like 3-yr old kids just like a parent and his 3 yr old kid...whose ways are higher??
Originally posted by despondent:parents ways are higher tha a child's ways...oh well, i have said b4 and am saying it again...christian philosophy is better understood by christians who alredi have the fundamentals of christianity in them...the christians i noe so far have all agreed tat the parent-child analogy is appropriate parallel to use to explain how salvation is like...the pt tat christians are 1st truly saved then sin wilfully refers to a theological belief tat salvation can be lost which is actually my stand...the other doctrinal belief is once saved always saved which teaches that those who call out Lord, Lord but have no place in heaven were NOT truly saved in the 1st place...
which doctrinal stand do u take?
What makes you think I do not have fundamentals of christianity? Parents are still human beings not comparable to God.
then explain to me why the christians i noe can relate to the parent-child analogy and u cun? cos we are ignorant and u are the wise one?
Hey , desp, don't forget some parents are not good examples. Some parents dote on the child, some are not responsible. It is flawed to use parents as example.
Originally posted by despondent:then explain to me why the christians i noe can relate to the parent-child analogy and u cun? cos we are ignorant and u are the wise one?
I did not say I am wise. Please read my previous post as to why parents are not a good example to quote. So judgemental leh, just because I don't see eye to eye on this you get so yucks.
wad do we call God? Heavenly Father...What do we call believers? Children of God...what do we call Jesus? Son of God...do the words in bold tell u sth abt christianity?
some aprents dote on children some dun...then relate to those parents who do love their children cos God is a loving God...u are seeing parents as an entirety...
Originally posted by despondent:wad do we call God? Heavenly Father...What do we call believers? Children of God...what do we call Jesus? Son of God...do the words in bold tell u sth abt christianity?
But still God is God, he is not the earthly fathers we have. So?
some aprents dote on children some dun...then relate to those parents who do love their children cos God is a loving God...u are seeing parents as an entirety...
If God is the earthly fathers we have, we just worship and treat our earthly fathers as God will do.
Earthly fathers have sin, God does not have. No equal la.
if god created everything good, would not the good values of God be found on earthly fathers? i dun mean all of God's good values can be found in a single earthly father but rather the values are scattered over all earthly fathers...tink creation...its not just the physical bodies tat were created by God, the values are also put inside us...when God created adam, did he create adam physically and wif good values or just his physical body wif no values at all?
Originally posted by despondent:if god created everything good, would not the good values of God be found on earthly fathers? i dun mean all of God's good values can be found in a single earthly father but rather the values are scattered over all earthly fathers...tink creation...its not just the physical bodies tat were created by God, the values are also put inside us...when God created adam, did he create adam physically and wif good values or just his physical body wif no values at all?
Adam sinned. God is special and sinless no comparison.
earthly fathers have sin cos adam fell...u are looking at entirety, leaving out the fact tat God didnt create sin...so u shld only relate the good values to God...one more thing wads the definition of bad? is bad the opposite of good or the absence of good?
but the bible said tat man(in this all man) are created in likeness of God...so his fatherly nature though corrupted by adam's sin can still be found in earthly fathers...if ur PC catches a virus today, does it mean it stops being a PC? its still a PC but is now malfunctioning due to the virus...howver, does it still run like a PC, contain the attributes of a PC?
God is god, no comparison to human beings.
then explain to me why some christians can see the comparison?
so heaven is heaven, no comparison to earth...hence, how can good works on earth lead u to heaven if heaven and earth belong to 2 different realms and cannot be compared???
Originally posted by despondent:then explain to me why some christians can see the comparison?
That is their perspective. What are you trying to drive at? You have no respect for me having a different one. Why are you making it such an issue?
Originally posted by despondent:so heaven is heaven, no comparison to earth...hence, how can good works on earth lead u to heaven if heaven and earth belong to 2 different realms and cannot be compared???
Why are you dragging earth and heaven into the picture, you dragging more things to start a quarrel?
am i? ok, i send my apologies...we will leave it as it is...juz noe tat wad i have shared are the answers as to why christians sin yet still can go heaven...cos heaven is like the home we live, its a not a place where u must accumulate good works in order to live in it...tats how we see it...God created heaven, heaven belongs to Him and who can live there wif him? His children...