Does the Christian God lie to/deceive humans
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Originally posted by Ghostpel:
SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT…................
The christian, muslim….etc alike, always defend that any verses talking about violence and evil acts in their holy books should not be taken literally and must be understood in context. They always say that these verses are not encouraging violence or evil, but rather just as metaphors for something good.
On the other hand, I have never heard them saying that those verses talking about good and nice things must be interpreted with care.
The BIG QUESTION here is that could the bad verses are in reality meant to be taken literally, while the good verses are to be understood as just metaphor only.
I have also often heard these people saying that non-christian and non-muslim…etc have intentionally taken the evil verses out of context with the aim to mis-represent the holy book.
Another BIG QUESTION is that is it also equally true that the christians and….etc are taking the good verses out of their context in order to project a good image of their religions.
It seems to me that for these people Bad things cannot be taken literally and out of context, but Good things can be taken literally and out of context.
The KEY MESSAGE I want to make is that the holy books of these Godly religions can be moulded into whatever forms that satisfy their religious ego. HENCE, we MUST NOT BELIEVE in them when christians …..etc try to convince you that their God is a loving one by quoting some sound-nice verses from their holy books.
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It seems to me that for these people Bad things cannot be taken literally and out of context, but Good things can be taken literally and out of context.- Good point!
The KEY MESSAGE I want to make is that the holy books of these Godly religions can be moulded into whatever forms that satisfy their religious ego. HENCE, we MUST NOT BELIEVE in them when christians …..etc try to convince you that their God is a loving one by quoting some sound-nice verses from their holy books.
To be christians is to boost God's ego. Praise , praise, praise!
Bible is meant to tailor to the "needs" of christians and God. Much is claimed it is holy and from God, what is really the truth nobody knows.
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I have already said you just pick one line, and use it to portray your cause. And your views are out of context.
Example:
I feel you have lied to me. Rightly or wrong is not known.
I post : Tcmc, why do you decieve me so?
An sgforumer picks up the line and ask "Why does SGF Tcmc tell lies?"
Would that be correct?
Those were my sentiments, not a discription of you, which by itself is misused to discribe you.
Thats how your one line quotes have been picked by you and you got the wrong impression. When you read things, read carefully, and try to get the whole story, not just a piece.
So you see I am not answering the question, but rather I am looking at you.
My post on SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT will answer you lahhhh....
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Only christians can take one verse out, others not allowed.
Garbage reasoning.
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Originally posted by Ghostpel:
My post on SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT will answer you lahhhh....
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Compare daily conversation with bible verses.
SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT - Great insight, well said! Facts!
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Originally posted by mancha:
I have already said you just pick one line, and use it to portray your cause. And your views are out of context.
Example:
I feel you have lied to me. Rightly or wrong is not known.
I post : Tcmc, why do you decieve me so?
An sgforumer picks up the line and ask "Why does SGF Tcmc tell lies?"
Would that be correct?
Those were my sentiments, not a discription of you, which by itself is misused to discribe you.
Thats how your one line quotes have been picked by you and you got the wrong impression. When you read things, read carefully, and try to get the whole story, not just a piece.
So you see I am not answering the question, but rather I am looking at you.
1. The author of the bible got it wrong?
2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.
What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:11
- For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
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Mancha
1. The author of the bible got it wrong?
2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.
What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:11
- For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
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hey TS, let me give you my frank opinions on god religion, whether single god or many god ie monotheism or polytheism, they are the same basically.
first you need to recognise that god concept almighty being were created by ancient man. why? cos man from earlier era, esp stone age, reckoned that there must be a god, otherwise who control the seasons, day and night, natural diasters, sun, moon, rains etc. they did not know as we now know that these are natural phenomenon, simply put nature. so that time, they worshipped sun, moon, trees, wind, rivers and lakes and so forth. when natural diasters happened, they thought that god was punishing them, maybe they were not devout enough or need sacrifises, hence sacrifises of animals and even babies and human beings in the name of the god began. so when man were able to read and write, they wrote it in the holy books as commandments and stories.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Mancha
Let's just take one verse. Look at the verse BELOW.
The verse below clearly shows that God is capable of sending a delusion which is also a lie. Simply put, he is capable of lying.
So if you're saying that the verse isn't what it is as read, then are you saying
1. The author of the bible got it wrong?
2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.
What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:11
- For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Ask a christian, Mancha is not and may not give you an answer from Christianity.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Mancha
Let's just take one verse. Look at the verse BELOW.
The verse below clearly shows that God is capable of sending a delusion which is also a lie. Simply put, he is capable of lying.
So if you're saying that the verse isn't what it is as read, then are you saying
1. The author of the bible got it wrong?
2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.
What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:11
- For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Let me show you how your mind should be enquiring.
"For this cause..." what is the cause?
It was for that that "God shall send them strong delusion". What does this mean? You want to make it your meaning? That God want to lie to them, or will make them see things or believe things, or hallucinate, or dream, see visions. You need to see the preceeding paragraphs.
"... that they should believe a lie." I can take this two ways, God shall send them a delusion as a punishment for believing a lie, or that God shall send them a delusion so that they can continue in their ways. Exactly what? again the whole story need to be know.
Read and think, don't be hasty in judging.
That would be the begining of wisdom.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Ask a christian, Mancha is not and may not give you an answer from Christianity.
Thats what I told him in the first place.
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hey TS, let me give you my frank opinions on god religion, whether single god or many god ie monotheism or polytheism, they are the same basically.
first you need to recognise that god concept almighty being were created by ancient man. why? cos man from earlier era, esp stone age, reckoned that there must be a god, otherwise who control the seasons, day and night, natural diasters, sun, moon, rains etc. they did not know as we now know that these are natural phenomenon, simply put nature. so that time, they worshipped sun, moon, trees, wind, rivers and lakes and so forth. when natural diasters happened, they thought that god was punishing them, maybe they were not devout enough or need sacrifises, hence sacrifises of animals and even babies and human beings in the name of the god began. so when man were able to read and write, they wrote it in the holy books as commandments and stories
That is why there are findings which say that the 3 sister religions have their roots in paganism.
Just need to google search and in youtube "Christianity and Paganism", "Islam and Paganism".
Of course they will not agree. Bad things, don't agree. Good things, agree alot.
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Mancha
But you seem to have a deeper understanding of the verse above. But you refuse to explain it to me and keep acting like you know some "mysterious stuff".
Why don't you explain?2 Thessalonians 2:11
- For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
- Why don't you explain it? Stop acting like y ou know the deeper meaning but then refuse to explain. If you don't know then admit it and I won't ask you anymore.
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Mancha
:)
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
But christians will say things like "God can do anything he wants including lying" or "You took the verses out of context" and both reasonings contradict their own beliefs.
Sigh.
They are brainwashed. Christianity is a brainwashing religion. Using suppression to go ahead with their brainwashing. Despicable!
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I am more of a philosophist than a religionist.
I am asking you to be more circumspect.
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But I am seeking answers too. :)
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Mancha
So do you know why the verse says God can send lies?
If not then admit you don't know? Then i will stop asking you?
Christianity and God are tyrannical. god can do it, it is sinning when others do it. Still dare preach he is a righteous God! My foot and fart !
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
However "circumspect" you can be, those verses STILL directly contradict a Christian's concept of god and the bible itself.
1. Bible says God commanded humans not to lie. But he himself lied in those verses.
2. Christians say God is perfect and there's no sin in him. But if he's capable of lying and did so and will do so, isn't there sin in him? Where is this perfect God then?
These verses directly contradict the bible and the Christian concept of a perfect God. However "open-minded" or "circumspect" you are, these are still glaring contradictions.
The bible is full of contradictions! It is meant to manipulate people with christianity belief and shut people off from knowing the truth of other religions.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
The bible is full of contradictions! It is meant to manipulate people with christianity belief and shut people off from knowing the truth of other religions.
Hi Win
Thanks
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Since you have picked the verses, why don't you read more about them, especially the sentences before and after them.
And figure out just what the verses are trying to say. There is always a first reading, you get a rough idea, a second reading, you get your curosity aroused., a third reading, you get an idea what the author is trying to say.
Questions like this, only you can get the answer by yourself. But only if you ponder seriously.